Buckstones:
Einstein’s theories don’t say time is affected by gravity, but it is affected by relative velocity. Unless something is moving at a speed which is a significant fraction of the speed of light, the effect is negligible.
The US actually monitors 24/7 and adjusts the time on each satellite to ensure the accuracy of GPS positioning, all the SatNav device has to do is compare the difference in time of signals from different satellites and calculate position accordingly.
war1974:
strange I have been to dachau and seen both the crematoriums - the small one and the newer one which was built as the original couldn’t cope with demand.
if I can be arsed I will post the pictures from it up.
That will be interesting being as even the yids bottled out of saying it ever existed
Bring it on.
Bking:
Like the “smart bombs” the filth used in Iraq which were “GPS” guided?
Shame less than 2% came within 500 meters of their target and blew a kid and his mother to bits instead.A bargain at 500,000 dollars a “pop”.
Yes you’re right.
They should have just used the same ones the ISIS suicide bombers use instead.
They can kill hundreds of innocent people and they only cost a couple of hundred dollars.
Not that you ever seem too concerned with those innocent deaths of course. Muppet
el_presidente:
Who is ‘the filth’, and can you please link us to the information you base your 2% comment on…?
BKing never lets silly things like facts get in the way of a good dig at the very people who afford him the freedom to spout his twaddle.
You need to remember, this is a guy who quite openly claimed last year, on this very forum, that the holocaust was made up
At least I paid the holohoax the decency of going to the “sites” where these “mass murders” were supposed to have happened( Auschwitz,Chelmno,Dachau,Birkenau)and see for myself.
But when I see chimneys for crematoria that according to “eye witnesses” were used to burn"gassed victims" then see it is not connected to said “crematoria” and informed by “museum” staff that the “chimney” was built by the soviets in 1947 you start to wonder.
Or see an “execution wall” were 20,000 "victims"were shot yet not one bullet hole.Propaganda is a wonderful thing and even better if you can make it into a “criminal” offence if you dare to disagree or even Question the “official” version of events.Many people have been imprisoned for pointing out “anomalies” in the story.If all these “facts” are true then would not a true investigation strengthen the “evidence”?
Suggest you do a little research for your self,thats if you can be botherd,instead of just swallowing the crap that those with vested interests pour out through the “media”.
If something is above being investigated or questioned then its got something to hide.
I also read an article stating the holocaust was propaganda issued by the allies and that the starving thousands and deaths of many more was caused by the supply lines being bombed on the orders of Churchill Stallin and Isenhower, how come you’ve forgotten that bit Bking as your txt is nearly word for word as the article, did you realy see it first hand?
ps Sailing at 5 o’clock this evening (21/5/16) with the aid of the saT nav, our position can be tracked by using our AIS (automatic identification system) which sends a signal that is received by the satellites and then re transmitted down to any AIS receiving stations like Marine Traffic. Thought you may like to know that
Knob AIS is another name for decca.And YOU witnessed the “holohaux” did you?
Why did the jews retreat with the wermacht from Poland rather than stay and wait for the red army to “liberate” them.
alicks77:
As for the accuracy of speed question. There are many variables which would have to be factored in to determine most accurate, like tyre pressure and such like.
But a big variable in my mind is the time difference between gps satellite and gps receiver. If einstein theory of relativity is true the time at the satellite will be different than that at the receiver due to the difference in gravity. This is resolved by an equation at receiver level. How much accuracy will be involved in the equation for a £50 sat nav which is not designed to accurately measure speed (it will say it in the instructions). Then you add in that the earth’s rotation varies and the equation needs fixed values. Mind blown.
Need to stop now have fallen over. Thinking typing and breathing, multi tasking not my strong point.
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So do explain this equation to me.See I understand the equation to find the volume of a sphere (4/3 Pi r cubed )or the way to transform it to find the hidden variable eg r but tell me how you compute “c” which according to Einstein is a constant yet “c” changes depending on the medium the “c” is travelling through.
I take for granted you know what “c” is
I eagerly wait your response .
Bking:
Like the “smart bombs” the filth used in Iraq which were “GPS” guided?
Shame less than 2% came within 500 meters of their target and blew a kid and his mother to bits instead.A bargain at 500,000 dollars a “pop”.
Yes you’re right.
They should have just used the same ones the ISIS suicide bombers use instead.
They can kill hundreds of innocent people and they only cost a couple of hundred dollars.
Not that you ever seem too concerned with those innocent deaths of course. Muppet
el_presidente:
Who is ‘the filth’, and can you please link us to the information you base your 2% comment on…?
BKing never lets silly things like facts get in the way of a good dig at the very people who afford him the freedom to spout his twaddle.
You need to remember, this is a guy who quite openly claimed last year, on this very forum, that the holocaust was made up
At least I paid the holohoax the decency of going to the “sites” where these “mass murders” were supposed to have happened( Auschwitz,Chelmno,Dachau,Birkenau)and see for myself.
But when I see chimneys for crematoria that according to “eye witnesses” were used to burn"gassed victims" then see it is not connected to said “crematoria” and informed by “museum” staff that the “chimney” was built by the soviets in 1947 you start to wonder.
Or see an “execution wall” were 20,000 "victims"were shot yet not one bullet hole.Propaganda is a wonderful thing and even better if you can make it into a “criminal” offence if you dare to disagree or even Question the “official” version of events.Many people have been imprisoned for pointing out “anomalies” in the story.If all these “facts” are true then would not a true investigation strengthen the “evidence”?
Suggest you do a little research for your self,thats if you can be botherd,instead of just swallowing the crap that those with vested interests pour out through the “media”.
If something is above being investigated or questioned then its got something to hide.
The entire German nation accept it happened. If any nation has a reason to spout “it didnt really happen” it would be Germany.
So I think ill take their word for it rather than the drivel you’re spouting thanks. Your problem is you find a bunch of like minded conspiracy nuts and all of a sudden you think you all have a point.
Why dont you just keep looking for the second gunman or what happened to the “real” Titanic.
No the entire German “government” accepted it happened not the German nation.Because the German government aint got the balls to tell the zionist ■■■■■■■■ to sod off.The German people have nothing to be ashamed of except the “people” who are supposed to represent them.They are the real traitors of the people.
Cant beat an all out offensive after a night on the Lambrini.
Anyway Bking do you believe the holocaust was a total hoax or just an exageration. Or have the Jews used this concentration camp stuff to get sympathy for the last 70 odd years.
Bking:
So do explain this equation to me.See I understand the equation to find the volume of a sphere (4/3 Pi r cubed )or the way to transform it to find the hidden variable eg r but tell me how you compute “c” which according to Einstein is a constant yet “c” changes depending on the medium the “c” is travelling through.
I take for granted you know what “c” is
I eagerly wait your response .
“c” is the speed of light through a vacuum. It’s accepted that it’s speed varies depending on the medium it’s travelling through (air, glass, water), therefore the constant ONLY relates to it travelling through a vacuum.
Bking:
How come these “satellites” never need maintenance,how come they never get struck by micro meteors,how come their batteries never fail(and before you give me some crap about solar panels if they are in geosynchronous orbit they must be in the dark half the time)How do they put them in orbit,these things dont have engines and the “shuttle” only goes up to 400 miles,How do they maintain a none decaying orbit without engines not just over weeks but 20 years.
Think of something in orbit as always falling but never getting any closer to the earth. Because as it travels forward, gravity pulls it towards earth at the same rate as the curvature of the earth (the earth isnt flat really) moves away from it. Arthur C Clarke derived the geostationary, or “Clarke Orbit” way back in the sixties IIRC.
Because there is little resistance at the height these things operate at, Newton’s laws of motion are clearly apparent. Most notably, an object in motion will remain in motion until a force acts upon it. Therefore, with careful calculation, an object placed in the right place at the right speed by the delivery vehicle will stay where it’s put. (See gravity above)
There are some people cleverer than you or I out there, I find it worth listening to them sometimes.
A yes dear Arthur Never did quite “explain” how he became such an expert on “telecommunication” satellites did he?Maybe he studied between writing crap science fiction novels.And there is me thinking that “gravity” was a force or does gravity ignore these miraculous “satellites”.See force is measured in Newtons and what is Mr Newtons most famous discovery? Thats it “GRAVITY” the “force” that pulls things down out the sky(except satellites of course they fly with little angel wings)
I love this.
Are you saying gravity should pull satellite s from space into earth?
If so sir you are a top class world standard wind up merchant and I applaud you.
The moon( a satalite it is classed as) is in a falling orbit. Continually falling to earth but due to magnetic and other forces it does not hit earth. but if you are saying gravity has had enough and is going to pull it into us please let me know as I want to run up some more debt first.
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Captain Caveman has given a nice concise explanation of how an orbit is achieved without resorting to vague assertions about “magnetic and other forces”. And yes gravity is continually pulling satellites towards the earth, but they (hopefully) dont reach the ground as the earth curves away before they land. Satellites, of the GPS type have a life of about 10 years. GPS satellites are about 22000km up in medium earth orbit. Geosynchronous satellites are about 36000km up in high earth orbit. They have solar arrays to charge batteries for their electronics needs and rockets for the maneuvering needed to maintain orbit, or put them into a parking orbit when they are decommissioned. From low earth orbit they are put into an elliptical transfer orbit. When at the "highest" point of this orbit they are put into a stable high orbit. They are subject to damage from natural and man made objects and may be protected by shields. Also, 2 satellites had a collision in 2009. Dunno who filled out the insurance forms for that one. Arthur C Clarke was, before becoming a sci fi author, awarded a first class degree in maths and physics by Kings College London. This was after his RAF service in WW2 when he was involved in RADAR and other research and development.
It wasn’t a vague assertion it was an attempt to stay on point and not to be distracted. The point be discussed was the gravity the weakest of the forces or earth’s gravity to be accurate would just decide off its own back to defeat the laws of physics and magnetic force and pull satalites to earth. This I found hilarious and the implication that satellites/moon landing don’t exist or didn’t happen makes me laugh. I enjoy conspiracy theorists mentalness it’s funny.
Also it won’t “hopefully” continue to fall but never hit. It will never hit unless another interstellar objects magnetic force effects it, and if that happens we won’t care about the moon because the earth will be in soapy bubble.
alicks77:
As for the accuracy of speed question. There are many variables which would have to be factored in to determine most accurate, like tyre pressure and such like.
But a big variable in my mind is the time difference between gps satellite and gps receiver. If einstein theory of relativity is true the time at the satellite will be different than that at the receiver due to the difference in gravity. This is resolved by an equation at receiver level. How much accuracy will be involved in the equation for a £50 sat nav which is not designed to accurately measure speed (it will say it in the instructions). Then you add in that the earth’s rotation varies and the equation needs fixed values. Mind blown.
Need to stop now have fallen over. Thinking typing and breathing, multi tasking not my strong point.
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So do explain this equation to me.See I understand the equation to find the volume of a sphere (4/3 Pi r cubed )or the way to transform it to find the hidden variable eg r but tell me how you compute “c” which according to Einstein is a constant yet “c” changes depending on the medium the “c” is travelling through.
I take for granted you know what “c” is
I eagerly wait your response .
I do not know what C is its well beyond my higher physics level knowledge from school(22 years ago) I could Google it then copy and paste but I would only be lying to myself. Experience has taught me not to argue small details with conspiracy theorists as they will irk you with their ■■■■■■■■■■■■ of fact.
As for this whole post I actually agree with you. The rolling road is most accurate and as someone has pointed out the authorities will not accept a sat nav measure of speed. That being said most of the stuff you have said in this post I probably disagree with.
Even a broken clock tells the right time twice a day.
Yep, that is quite true. The Americans can and do play with the GPS system. That is why the EU is building their own system.
Will get some more information later.
Cheers
Paul
Knob AIS is another name for decca.And YOU witnessed the “holohaux” did you?
Haha, Bking you are just another complete and utter bellend ! You really should get your facts right before sprouting crap. AIS is Decca ■■ ffs completely different things and from different times. Decca was a form of position fixing that relied on shore based radio signal and used decca navigation charts overlaid with 3 different coloured lines, you read the co-ordinates of three different dials on your receiver. AIS is as I said is Automatic Identification System which can either use short range VHF frequencies or for long range AIS they use satellites.
Galileo is the EU system while the Russians have Glonass.
Bking=idiot !!
Bking:
Vehicle came in for 2 year tacho check and speed was 85 kph,sticker fitted all done.
Next day vehicle brought back because it was "really " doing 92 kph.
Some numpty would rather believe some bloody sat nav over the tacho calibration.
He says to me its “satellite” and much more “accurate”
I ask him has he ever seen a satellite?Has he ever tried to use a “sat nav” on a ferry in the middle of the North sea or on an aircraft?Has he ever noticed that “satellite” dishes always point in the same direction as ordinary “yagi” aerials?
“sat nav” uses old technology from the 1940s eg radio mast triangulation but with a “map” programme built into a phone or receiver.Thats why they do not work at sea or in aircraft.
Ships and aircraft use short wave signals for navigation but microwaves from cell phone masts only works on line of sight transmission.His parting shot was “well if I get done for speeding I will blame you”
If GPS satellites existed why do we need upward of 30,000 cell phone masts just to cover the UK.
Another bloody con job
Will have to admit I for once agree with bking on this…Maybe not have put it the way he has …and I know for a fact he has never agreed with anything I have said …But sat navs are not a recognised system for calibrating tachos…So no matter what a sat nav says ,it s the approved calibrated tacho rollers along with the rest of the approved calibrated tools that dictate the K W L factor …You are allowed up to 6 kph in a speed for speed check…So at the end of a calibration you run the vehicle at 50kph on the rollers and when you hit 50 kph the calibration tool and the tacho should be within 6 kph macx of each other …
If a customer came in and said his sat nav was saying something different to the tacho ,then if he wants to pay I would recalibrate it and if it still reads different to his sat nav then tough .DVSA do not recognise sat navs as a calibration tool …
I now await abuse from bking as I have never had a nice word from him …go on bking you know you can be nice
So if my truck is doing 56, and the one passing me is doing 56, is he travelling back in time or am I going forward? What about when the truck I’m passing is doing 56 and I’m doing 56…
Sorry it has taken so long to get back to you, Marty Mc Fly or is it Doc Brown …I have just seen your reply …As I have previously said there is a 6 kph leaway .So yes two vehicles can be calibrated and on the speed for speed check at 50 kph one may read 50kph and one may read 56kph ,both are legal…Also there is the owner drivers who fit the ■■■■■■■■■■■■ tyres for calibration ,then refit the originals,it won’t make a huge difference but it helps …The 6kph difference ,will also be why speed cameras wont flash if you are slightly over the limit
Then that would explain why the gps says 53, wouldn’t it You’ve kind of unstitched your own argument. There’s only one actual 56 mph. If you take the 6kph tolerance it will show a different reading on an independent instrument
As per a previous post, the Americans can and do “fiddle” with the GPS signals. They can make them more accurate or not depending on what the hidden agenda is. Many years ago they made the public signal better and during the Gulf War it was super accurate for some reason? It is called Selective Availability and is still there to be used on the American system if they want to. (cynical, me?). Stories are abound of sat navs not working when a military exercise is going on. Work that out if you can.
This is the very reason the good old EU are building the Galileo system. Total independence from the Americans, Russians and Chinese, all who have their own systems and can turn them off or on as they wish. Our satellites have three levels of accuracy, normal for the likes of you and me, around 2m, middle for mapping and the like. Top draw is the military grade signal, accurate to 0.5 metre or less. (shh, can’t say anymore).
Ours are put into a 23,222km high orbit, last a minimum of 12 years and should (?) be working on public service by the end of the year.
Yes, it is all down to clocks and timing and stuff, time signals take to travel and then work out where you are. There, sat nav explained in one sentence…
When the EU system comes online, will we need different receivers for it, or will a standard satnav type work on that system as well? (Assuming that we’re close enough to the phone masts!
OVLOV JAY:
Then that would explain why the gps says 53, wouldn’t it You’ve kind of unstitched your own argument. There’s only one actual 56 mph. If you take the 6kph tolerance it will show a different reading on an independent instrument
Why have I unstitched my own argument ■■ I have explained that the only approved system is calibrated tacho rollers ,agree? With analogue tachos there was a 6kph leaway ,that has been carried over to digital,as you can’t give the analogue a 6kph leaway and not digital…That info came from stoneridge ,
Now obviously you also have the people who get the calibration done with worn tyres then fit the new ones ,obviously that alone won’t make much of a difference ,and you also have those who like to tamper…Fact is your tacho can say 56kph and on a speed for speed check it can read max 62kph…Never had one do it but they will be out there ,No matter what the satnav says it isn’t approved or proved to be accurate ,My sat nav has read different from my car which I have had from new…Do I take it back to the dealer and tell them …■■? I’ve never been flashed at speed cameras going by the cars speed reading so it is accurate ,I dare say if I used the sat nav as a speedo I probably would get a speeding fine …
At the end of the day calibrated tacho rollers are approved ,sat nav isn’t…No doubt it isn’t perfect ,but nothing in life is and that is what we have to go by …And no doubt there will be a tolerance in the tacho rollers ,as I can run the same vehicle on the same rollers 3 ,4 time and will get different readings each time …Not huge differences that make and diference ,but still differences…Also no 2 sets of rollers will read identical…Some work out the figures at speed ie at 50kph others over a distance ie 1 km,so the speed is irrelevant to getting the K W on them…If your rollers are U/S then you have to do the manual method ,which is where the biggest discrepancy will come in to play
Unstitched because you say the tacho calibration is the most accurate, totally dismissing people saying 56 on the head is 54 on the gps, then you’re saying it’s doing 56, while another truck is also doing 56 while passing it, often at a considerable difference. You can’t have your cake and eat it norb, only one can be doing 56. The truck going slower has not been set up properly, it’s not rocket science. I’ve took trucks in for calibration on the normal drive tyres, and it’s come away 3 mph quicker than it went in. So why is it not possible to be under, even though you say there is a speed range tolerance?
Scaniason
Yes, new systems will be needed, but the Galileo Full Operational Capability is not due until sometime in 2020. Some new user hardware is out there, but not so you’d notice…
Will it make an difference to us mere mortals? Probably not, but time will tell.
The biggest impact will be air navigation, the new signals give a better height/elevation accuracy.
Cheers
Paul
Decca Navigator
AIS display
You’ve kind of unstitched your own argument. There’s only one actual 56 mph. If you take the 6kph tolerance it will show a different reading on an independent instrument 