Sacked for smoking

the maoster:
If press reports at the time of the implementation of the smoking ban are to be believed then you’ll be pleased to know that there is one place where smokers can enjoy a cigarette with their favourite tipple and that’s in any of the bars in the Houses of Parliament, apparently they’ve been granted an exemption!

So if any of you happen to be darn sarf just pop in and enjoy. You should be able to gain access because after all it’s government of the people by the people aint it? :imp: :imp: :imp:

yeah, funny that, there seems to be lots of laws passed down through parliament but parliament are exempt from,.
if i had my way i would tell every person involved in the sale of anything add 2 zeros to the price of any item that an mp wishes to buy, so if he went to a post office for a yorkie the price would be 70 quid, take it or leave it, want your bedroom painted? that will be 30 grand please mr brown

I like where you’re coming from Chunky. The only problem with that would be that the robbing bar stewards would put it on their expenses and us mugs would end up paying anyway. :imp: :imp:

ROG:

chunkytransport:
why can they smoke on corrie and eastenders, surely i know they are pretending to be in their own homes but for the tv crew it is a workplace :laughing:

With modern computer film trickery it’s probably a virtual ■■■ :bulb:

And in that politically correct soap the only drink on sale in the Queen Vic pub is water.

Painter fined for smoking in van

Gordon Williams says he will appeal against the £30 fine
A painter and decorator says he is “dumbfounded” after a £30 fine for smoking a cigarette in his own van.

Gordon Williams, of Llanafan, Aberystwyth, says he had popped to the shops when he was pulled over by Ceredigion council officials.

“I was told that because my van is my place of work I had broken the smoking laws,” he said.

A council spokesman said Mr Williams had acknowledged the offence and elected to pay the fixed penalty.

“I am dumbfounded - the van is only insured for private use and to get me to and from work,” added Mr Williams, from Llanafan, near Aberystwyth.

“It not my place of work - I decorate houses not vans.”

The grandfather decried the on-the-spot penalty as the “Big Brother state going too far”.

He added: “I respect anyone who chooses not to smoke, but I would also ask for the same respect to have the freedom to smoke in my own private vehicle.”

Mr Williams was driving on the A487 near Aberystwyth in his unmarked blue Suzuki Carrier van when he was pulled over by council officials carrying out spot checks on the safety of vehicles.

He believes it is the first ticket of its kind handed out by the council since the smoking regulations came in last year - the fixed penalty notice was number 0001.

He was on a shopping errand to pick up teabags for his wife when he was stopped.

Your views This has just gone too far. I still see people using their mobile phones whilst driving. Of an evening, I can hear the boy racers driving along the main road, where are the authorities for this? These actions could kill someone, having a cigarette in your own vehicle won’t
Janet Hooper, Isle of WightMr Williams added: “I take the wife shopping in the van. It is my private vehicle as well as my work van.”

Mr Williams’ wife Sue has already paid the fine, fearing it would increase if not settled promptly.

But her husband remains defiant, and said he would be challenging the punishment. "I have appealed against this even though I initially paid the fine otherwise it would have increased to £50.

“I’ve sent up my insurance certificate and am awaiting the outcome.”

Simon Clark, the director of smoking freedom group Forest, condemned the fine as “absolutely ridiculous”.

He said: "It smacks of some jobsworth council official interpreting the law to the most extreme level.

"This surely is not what the change in the law was intended for - it was not meant to harass and persecute people going about their ordinary lives.

“It is ridiculous that someone should be fined for smoking in their own private vehicle away from any workplace.”

A spokesman for Ceredigion council said Mr Williams’s vehicle was stopped by police as part of a multi-agency operation.

“A total of 56 vehicles were stopped and inspected during the initiative and, as a result, three fixed penalty notices were issued in connection with contraventions of the smoking in smoke-free places legislation,” said the spokesman.

"All three fixed penalties have been paid.

"When stopped, both Mr Williams and his male passenger were found to be smoking.

‘Exposure’

"Based on information received from Mr Williams at the scene, fixed penalty notices were served on both persons.

“Both persons have now acknowledged the offences and elected to pay the fixed penalty rather than having the matter considered by the court.”

The spokesman added the matter was therefore considered to be closed and no record of criminal conviction would be recorded against the individuals concerned.

A Welsh Assembly Government spokesman said: "The smoke-free regulations state that a vehicle shall be smoke-free if it is used for work by more than one person, regardless of whether they are in the vehicle at the same time, to protect everyone who uses the vehicle from the harmful effects of exposure to second-hand smoke, regardless of when they use the vehicle.

“Smoking is permitted in vehicles used for work purposes that are for the sole use of the driver and are not used as a workplace by anyone else, either as a driver or a passenger.”

One member on this site has a letter that would have got many off the penalty in the first place :smiley:

LETTER

Not according to what I was told by Public Health Inspectors at a VOSA check at the NEC Rog.
I was apparently photographed smoking when pulled into the check and although everything else was fine they ‘wanted to talk to me’.
I admitted I was smoking saying I was the only driver of the vehicle.
Their reply…hwat about the fitters that service it and the mechanics who work on it?
And…what about someone who buys it when it’s sold? :unamused: :unamused: :unamused:

Having said that, I can only assume the photo was inconclusive because I never got a fine :smiley:

Pat

bloodoodle:
Not according to what I was told by Public Health Inspectors at a VOSA check at the NEC Rog.
I was apparently photographed smoking when pulled into the check and although everything else was fine they ‘wanted to talk to me’.
I admitted I was smoking saying I was the only driver of the vehicle.
Their reply…hwat about the fitters that service it and the mechanics who work on it?
And…what about someone who buys it when it’s sold? :unamused: :unamused: :unamused:

Having said that, I can only assume the photo was inconclusive because I never got a fine :smiley:

Pat

More like they are talking out of their backsides on this issue

Sacking people is a bit extreme if you ask me. But people that smoke in a shared cab make me go mental, they have zero respect for their fellow workers :imp: :imp:

You go to eat your sandwiches and your hands are absolutely stinking of smoke from the steering wheel. Your seat,your bunk all stink. Then you’ve got ash in the foot well and if they like to build ■■■■ while driving you have tobacco down your steering column :imp:

Drives me nuts :imp:

DAF95XF:
Where does the law stand if there are no no smoking signs in the cab?
I know of a company with red trucks that dont have them in… :wink:

Thats probably a valid defence for a driver if he can prove it.

merc0447:
Sacking people is a bit extreme if you ask me. But people that smoke in a shared cab make me go mental, they have zero respect for their fellow workers :imp: :imp:

You go to eat your sandwiches and your hands are absolutely stinking of smoke from the steering wheel. Your seat,your bunk all stink. Then you’ve got ash in the foot well and if they like to build ■■■■ while driving you have tobacco down your steering column :imp:

Drives me nuts :imp:

Thats novel, a lorry driver who doesn’t like the smell of smoke !! :smiley:
I’d ban them all, they stink of diesel !!!

Here we go…
smokefreeengland.co.uk/files … _place.pdf

Guidance on how to deal with people smoking. Like it suggests, ask them to stop.

Then for the rest of the questions, here they are…

smokefreeengland.co.uk/faq/e … ent.html#1

chunkytransport:
why can they smoke on corrie and eastenders, surely i know they are pretending to be in their own homes but for the tv crew it is a workplace :laughing:

Hi Chunky

The Act specifically exempts theatre productions from the law if smoking is essential to the ‘artistic integrity of a performance’. I presume that stage sets would come under this definition. That exemption only applies to the actors, not to others working in the theatre or to members of the audience.

In fact, a number of bars and pubs exploited this loophole when the law came into force by registering themselves as theatres and signing up patrons as member of the troupe. This happened in the US as well. Not sure if any of them have been fined or taken to court over it.

Cheers…M

MartinC:

chunkytransport:
why can they smoke on corrie and eastenders, surely i know they are pretending to be in their own homes but for the tv crew it is a workplace :laughing:

Hi Chunky

The Act specifically exempts theatre productions from the law if smoking is essential to the ‘artistic integrity of a performance’. I presume that stage sets would come under this definition. That exemption only applies to the actors, not to others working in the theatre or to members of the audience.

In fact, a number of bars and pubs exploited this loophole when the law came into force by registering themselves as theatres and signing up patrons as member of the troupe. This happened in the US as well. Not sure if any of them have been fined or taken to court over it.

Cheers…M

Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him, a fellow
of infinite jest, :stuck_out_tongue:

Giz a ■■■,

Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood
Disguise fair nature with hard-favour’d rage
Then lend the eye a terrible aspect
Stare into the soulless eyes of the Local Authority Environmental Health Services Anti-smoking Control and Enforcement Officer, and
Cry 'ave ‘e got a light boy, for Harry, England, and Saint George!’

MartinC:

chunkytransport:
why can they smoke on corrie and eastenders, surely i know they are pretending to be in their own homes but for the tv crew it is a workplace :laughing:

Hi Chunky

The Act specifically exempts theatre productions from the law if smoking is essential to the ‘artistic integrity of a performance’. I presume that stage sets would come under this definition. That exemption only applies to the actors, not to others working in the theatre or to members of the audience.

In fact, a number of bars and pubs exploited this loophole when the law came into force by registering themselves as theatres and signing up patrons as member of the troupe. This happened in the US as well. Not sure if any of them have been fined or taken to court over it.

Cheers…M

i just find it laughable when they exempt things like this, does that mean that lung cancer from passive smoking is exempt from theatres :wink:

If someone smokes a cigarette on stage, noone in the audience is going to get lung cancer as a result.

There is no proven ‘causal’ link even between active smoking and lung cancer. There is a statistically increased risk of getting lung cancer if you smoke, particularly for heavy smokers, but that isn’t the same thing as a causal link.

As for passive smoking, studies which show a significant risk have been widely discredited. Not that it matters now because governments around the world wanted to ban smoking to prove their ‘health’ credentials and there’s no way in the world they would have been able to to this UNLESS they were able to show that there was a health risk to non-smokers. That’s why all other sensible suggestions - properly segregated smoking areas, better ventilation systems, smoking and non-smoking pubs and other venues etc - were ignored in favour of the ‘proof’ offered by the ‘studies’ that passive smoking was harmful.

In fact, the largest and most scientifically credible studies to date are a 10-year European one by the World Health Organisation and a 39-year Californian one. The latter concluded that some risk from passive smoking could not be ruled out but that it was too small to measure. The WHO study found NO increased risk (on the contrary, the only statistically significant result from the study was a DECREASED risk of lung cancer among children whose parents smoked). Sadly, this wasn’t the result required and the study was binned. It only came to light when some investigative journalists (from The Telegraph, I think) found out about the study and published it. Cue sheepish grins and embarrassed coughs all round, before everyone got back on message and referred back to the previous (discredited) studies that showed there was a risk.

Cheers…M

MartinC:
If someone smokes a cigarette on stage, noone in the audience is going to get lung cancer as a result.

There is no proven ‘causal’ link even between active smoking and lung cancer. There is a statistically increased risk of getting lung cancer if you smoke, particularly for heavy smokers, but that isn’t the same thing as a causal link.

As for passive smoking, studies which show a significant risk have been widely discredited. Not that it matters now because governments around the world wanted to ban smoking to prove their ‘health’ credentials and there’s no way in the world they would have been able to to this UNLESS they were able to show that there was a health risk to non-smokers. That’s why all other sensible suggestions - properly segregated smoking areas, better ventilation systems, smoking and non-smoking pubs and other venues etc - were ignored in favour of the ‘proof’ offered by the ‘studies’ that passive smoking was harmful.

In fact, the largest and most scientifically credible studies to date are a 10-year European one by the World Health Organisation and a 39-year Californian one. The latter concluded that some risk from passive smoking could not be ruled out but that it was too small to measure. The WHO study found NO increased risk (on the contrary, the only statistically significant result from the study was a DECREASED risk of lung cancer among children whose parents smoked). Sadly, this wasn’t the result required and the study was binned. It only came to light when some investigative journalists (from The Telegraph, I think) found out about the study and published it. Cue sheepish grins and embarrassed coughs all round, before everyone got back on message and referred back to the previous (discredited) studies that showed there was a risk.

Cheers…M

i dont smoke anymore so any smoking ban suits me :laughing:

:smiley: And I don’t have any problem eating in a smoke free restaurant.

Cheers…M

It’s all Roy Castle’s fault ■■■■ :open_mouth: