44 Tonne Ton:
The golden rule of being an agency driver is to keep yer gob shut.
We had one in our place recently. Wouldn’t shut up about what we should be doing that we weren’t, mostly H&S ■■■■■■■■ about stuff we do that so far has caused no one to be killed to death, lose vital body parts or break a fingernail. Then he thought it was a good idea to make some suggestions to the boss on the parts of his job he thought he, the boss, was not doing or not doing correctly.
dinosteveus1:
Hey, there’s nowt wrong with Agency Drivers, quite often we have been on many more sites and followed/had strange H&S things/rules thrown at us than your regular drivers.
I have never suggested there was anything wrong with agency drivers. I also appreciate that agency drivers sometimes pick up a lot of experience over a short period of time. But …
dinosteveus1:
An Agency Drivers suggestion is just as valid as your Drivers
… that bit is ■■■■■■■■. The regular drivers understand the operation, the risks involved in each component of a job, the likely impact upon operations of a change in policy and all have specific training relating to the tasks and procedures involved in their work on a day to day basis. The agency driver doesn’t know his arse from his elbow in comparison, he only knows how other people implement H+S and even then almost certainly doesn’t understand the reasons why. Agency man doesn’t understand the risks and so by definition has yet to assess them for himself, so any suggestions he may make are likely to be misdirected and ultimately unhelpful until he understands the context of the current rules and the implementation of them.
Nothing technical in whether hazards are on or not when moving…irrespective of the type of business. You only need an ounce of common sense to see hazards on all the time are at best pointless and worst dangerous…Much better to use them only when manoeuvring then you can see who’s doing what. If you can’t see a truck - you shouldn’t be on site. Perhaps it’s time for RDC’s etc to insist an eye sight test is carried out before you are permitted on site…
We manage to pass each other on the road safely without hazards on all the time - why not in a yard at 10% of the speed■■?
Most H&S in most yards is laughable and a result of the site gaffers being utterly terrified of being sued…
Truckulent:
Most H&S in most yards is laughable and a result of the site gaffers being utterly terrified of being sued…
Yes, this is true, nearly all H&S is about the mitigation of litigation. If there is an accident, a company can defend a claim if it can prove that it has taken all reasonable measures to minimise the risk of accidents, even if the measures do not actually make anything safer. Simply the fact that some stuffed shirt was paid to dream these rules up is a good defence.
44 Tonne Ton:
The golden rule of being an agency driver is to keep yer gob shut.
We had one in our place recently. Wouldn’t shut up about what we should be doing that we weren’t, mostly H&S ■■■■■■■■ about stuff we do that so far has caused no one to be killed to death, lose vital body parts or break a fingernail. Then he thought it was a good idea to make some suggestions to the boss on the parts of his job he thought he, the boss, was not doing or not doing correctly.
He doesn’t come in any more.
Hang on! You don’t work for the outfit steverospa got banned from do you Coffee? Sounds like it!
Truckulent:
We manage to pass each other on the road safely without hazards on all the time - why not in a yard at 10% of the speed■■?
And that comment is precisely why it’s probably not a good idea to discuss yard H&S rules with the people who choose to implement them. I’m sure Gogan, who I thought wrote a lot of sense, could instantly identify the several flaws in your comment there Truckulent…
Harry Monk:
I guess anyone who uses the name “steverospa” is going to have the same type of monomania as someone called “steveactiononsmokingandhealth”.
44 Tonne Ton:
The golden rule of being an agency driver is to keep yer gob shut.
We had one in our place recently. Wouldn’t shut up about what we should be doing that we weren’t, mostly H&S ■■■■■■■■ about stuff we do that so far has caused no one to be killed to death, lose vital body parts or break a fingernail. Then he thought it was a good idea to make some suggestions to the boss on the parts of his job he thought he, the boss, was not doing or not doing correctly.
He doesn’t come in any more.
Hang on! You don’t work for the outfit steverospa got banned from do you Coffee? Sounds like it!
I don’t think so, we don’t drive about in our yard with the hazards on.
Although on the shift he was my co-driver for he did tell me all about one of those ROSPA, AIM or WECWA* things he was part of, I didn’t really listen so can’t be sure which one. He also told me about the equipment costing £1100 he has in his car to detect speed cameras and the like because he likes to drive very fast, although he would constantly hit the breaks if the truck started to over run the speed limiter and reached the dizzying heights of 57 mph. I put my earphones in and didn’t listen to him after that.
Go to Tate and Lyle in Silvertown and they won’t let you wear shorts, even though it is far healthier to wear shorts on a sweltering hot day than trousers.
Harry Monk:
Go to Tate and Lyle in Silvertown and they won’t let you wear shorts, even though it is far healthier to wear shorts on a sweltering hot day than trousers.
Harry Monk:
Go to Tate and Lyle in Silvertown and they won’t let you wear shorts, even though it is far healthier to wear shorts on a sweltering hot day than trousers.
Harry Monk:
Go to Tate and Lyle in Silvertown and they won’t let you wear shorts, even though it is far healthier to wear shorts on a sweltering hot day than trousers.
Pubic hair is not attractive in white sugar
So you are saying it is okay in Demerara or Muscovado?
I suppose it would be less offensive in those sugar strands that were designed to imitate rolling tobacco that we kids used to be given in the 1960s… I even remember chocolate sticks wrapped in white paper and sold in packets almost identical to Camel cigarettes, shows how old I am, and how things have changed.
Harry Monk:
Go to Tate and Lyle in Silvertown and they won’t let you wear shorts, even though it is far healthier to wear shorts on a sweltering hot day than trousers.
Pubic hair is not attractive in white sugar
And you’ve got to wear your hard hat at all times on site, even when walking across the truck park
steverospa:
I was working for a big pallet company near coalville in Leicestershire, (SILVER UNITS AND TRAILERS) most of you will know by now who im on about.
What i asked was there a suggestion box as most or some big professional outfits have them.
What my suggestion was is why do you have to drive round the yard with you hazards lights on.
I was told to be seen, i then told this chap that hazards lights should only be used really when stationery as stated in the highway code.
I also pointed out that when you are following around the yard you can not see what the truck in front is going to do, a valid point as i thought as im Rospa (gold) bike and car trainer, and a fully qualified ADI driving instructor.
NOT SO BECAUSE IM A AGENCY WORKER IT WAS NICE AND BIG OF THEM TO SAY TO MY AGENCY NOT TO SEND ME THERE AGAIN, AND BAND ME FROM SITE…
A VALID POINT OR NOT…
o.t.t for banning you i.m.o.h.o,as for whether to have them on or not,i dont mind either way,just be nice to have a hard and fast rule for all,got moaned at sainsburys sherburn for having them on,co-op alferton moaned because i had main beam/hazards instead of dipped/hazards.sainsburys bloke said theyd had a near miss,both had hazards on so nearly collided as neither was sure which way the other was going to turn ,mind boggling,co-op,who knows,but shunter seems to care/moan
Harry Monk:
I suppose it would be less offensive in those sugar strands that were designed to imitate rolling tobacco that we kids used to be given in the 1960s… I even remember chocolate sticks wrapped in white paper and sold in packets almost identical to Camel cigarettes, shows how old I am, and how things have changed.
That fake tobacco stuff was good. And you can still get it, although at a somewhat higher price than back in the day.
DUFFMAN:
You were being paid to drive round the yard with the hazard lights on !! Cant see the problem !!
And by driving around with your hazards on, somebody had decided that it would be a good idea to stay visible, so they were obviously thinking of the kids.
