Gembo:
and the sump is empty!Just like a Dutch ■■■■■■ as well so
gordonw:
I have seen a Petters engine run away in our workshop and it sheared the crankshaft at the flywheel and it took off across the workshop floor up the wall and thro a window into the yard lucky nobody was killed/hurt but was scary when you see it happening the force that built up in that flywheel!!!
The"oil" was injected via the unit pump not ■■■■■■ in via the induction manifold.It “arrived” at the right time.
Why do you need timing to 12 or 13 degrees BTDC if you can just ■■■■ crap in and just let it burn.Why do you need to atomise fuel to 6 or 700 bar to get a poxy 500 horse out of some crap 13 litre donkey when you can just pour crap engine oil down the inlet manifold?
Diesels have been developed for nearly a hundred years and its all down to injection pressures and timing not some oil or vapour being sucked into the cylinders like some crap petrol garbage.
You still don’t get it, do you? To run properly, reliably, cleanly and economically the fuel needs to be injected at some pressure at just the right moment BTDC. To run in an uncontrolled, dirty and generally messy manner requires simply air, fuel and compression (or some other form of ignition). The life expectancy of an engine run in the former manner is measured in the hundreds of thousands, millions even, of kilometres - in the latter style it probably works out to around 30 minutes (if you’re lucky).
I have no idea why you find it so difficult to accept this.
Bking:
gordonw:
I have seen a Petters engine run away in our workshop and it sheared the crankshaft at the flywheel and it took off across the workshop floor up the wall and thro a window into the yard lucky nobody was killed/hurt but was scary when you see it happening the force that built up in that flywheel!!!The"oil" was injected via the unit pump not ■■■■■■ in via the induction manifold.It “arrived” at the right time.
Why do you need timing to 12 or 13 degrees BTDC if you can just ■■■■ crap in and just let it burn.Why do you need to atomise fuel to 6 or 700 bar to get a poxy 500 horse out of some crap 13 litre donkey when you can just pour crap engine oil down the inlet manifold?Diesels have been developed for nearly a hundred years and its all down to injection pressures and timing not some oil or vapour being sucked into the cylinders like some crap petrol garbage.
Why don’t you bloody listen to what people are telling you? FFS man 
A diesel engine relies on high compression ratio alone to ignite ANY fuel source which enters the cylinder, either via the injector or in the case or diesel runaway, via the inlet manifold. It makes no bloody difference what so ever how it enters the cylinder, either via injection or through the inlet tract. if its burnable, it will ignite!
The compression ratio which can be upto 22:1 rapidly heats the inlet air to about 500 degrees C.
What do think will happen to any oil mist that enters this heated air via the inlet manifold?
Its not bloody rocket science!
Bking:
Diesels have been developed for nearly a hundred years and its all down to injection pressures and timing not some oil or vapour being sucked into the cylinders like some crap petrol garbage.
The fact they have been around for a hundred years is pretty bloody irrelevant, they could have been around since last Tuesday but the fact still remains that if you introduce another fuel source into air that’s been heated to 500 degrees C, its gona ignite and force the piston downwards, as I say, it really is that simple.
Your mention of the petrol engine is also totally irrelevant as the compression ration in a petrol engine isn’t high enough to ignite the high flash point of oil, infact its not even high enough to ignite the much lower flash point of petrol either which is why a petrol wont fire without a working spark plug!
Get it? 
Infact, just for Bking, Im gona make it real easy for you to understand now.
How the ■■■■ do you think this stuff works??
Do we some how introduce it through an injector?
Nope, it is ofcourse sprayed directly into the inlet manifold. Just for thick people, it even tells you where to spray it on the side of the can!
As soon as it comes into contact with our 500 degrees C air, it ignites and we get a power stroke.
■■■■ me aint it clever!
Little known fact if you stuff enough BTEC Heavy Vehicle Technology and Tesco apprenticeship in someone’s eyes and ears you get a runaway idiot.
Gembo:
A diesel engine relies on high compression ratio alone to ignite ANY fuel source which enters the cylinder, either via the injector or in the case or diesel runaway, via the inlet manifold. It makes no bloody difference what so ever how it enters the cylinder, either via injection or through the inlet tract. if its burnable, it will ignite!
True enough. The L60 engine in Chieftan was reputed to run on diesel, paraffin, cooking oil, dogpoo…anything combustible that was available in the field.
Gembo:
Bking:
gordonw:
I have seen a Petters engine run away in our workshop and it sheared the crankshaft at the flywheel and it took off across the workshop floor up the wall and thro a window into the yard lucky nobody was killed/hurt but was scary when you see it happening the force that built up in that flywheel!!!The"oil" was injected via the unit pump not ■■■■■■ in via the induction manifold.It “arrived” at the right time.
Why do you need timing to 12 or 13 degrees BTDC if you can just ■■■■ crap in and just let it burn.Why do you need to atomise fuel to 6 or 700 bar to get a poxy 500 horse out of some crap 13 litre donkey when you can just pour crap engine oil down the inlet manifold?Diesels have been developed for nearly a hundred years and its all down to injection pressures and timing not some oil or vapour being sucked into the cylinders like some crap petrol garbage.
Why don’t you bloody listen to what people are telling you? FFS man
A diesel engine relies on high compression ratio alone to ignite ANY fuel source which enters the cylinder, either via the injector or in the case or diesel runaway, via the inlet manifold. It makes no bloody difference what so ever how it enters the cylinder, either via injection or through the inlet tract. if its burnable, it will ignite!
The compression ratio which can be upto 22:1 rapidly heats the inlet air to about 500 degrees C.
What do think will happen to any oil mist that enters this heated air via the inlet manifold?
Its not bloody rocket science!Bking:
Diesels have been developed for nearly a hundred years and its all down to injection pressures and timing not some oil or vapour being sucked into the cylinders like some crap petrol garbage.The fact they have been around for a hundred years is pretty bloody irrelevant, they could have been around since last Tuesday but the fact still remains that if you introduce another fuel source into air that’s been heated to 500 degrees C, its gona ignite and force the piston downwards, as I say, it really is that simple.
Your mention of the petrol engine is also totally irrelevant as the compression ration in a petrol engine isn’t high enough to ignite the high flash point of oil, infact its not even high enough to ignite the much lower flash point of petrol either which is why a petrol wont fire without a working spark plug!
Get it?Infact, just for Bking, Im gona make it real easy for you to understand now.
How the [zb] do you think this stuff works??
0Do we some how introduce it through an injector?
Nope, it is ofcourse sprayed directly into the inlet manifold. Just for thick people, it even tells you where to spray it on the side of the can!
As soon as it comes into contact with our 500 degrees C air, it ignites and we get a power stroke.
[zb] me aint it clever!
^ This.
Except for the fact that a petrol engine certainly can compression ignite ( detonate ) petrol in the right ( wrong ) circumstances.IE try running the right engine with the type of compression ratio that need high octane petrol on the wrong low octane petrol and you’d eventually have the definition of a compression ignition ( detonation ) spark ignition petrol engine with a load of holed pistons to prove it.Which is also why you can’t run a diesel engine on petrol. 
IE diesel etc has the property of being able to ignite and burn under compression ignition type pressures ( Cetane rating ).Whereas petrol just detonates at far less cylinder pressures than a compression ignition engine uses to ignite and burn diesel.Or oil.
While the idea in the case of petrol is to delay that compression ‘detonation’ point as much as possible to allow as high as possible compression ratios.Which still won’t be anywhere near diesel type compression ignition pressures.However in the case of easy start ( ether ) it’s got petrol’s properties of being easier to ignite under compression than diesel etc but with sufficient octane properties to be able to withstand diesel type compression ratios without detonating. 
The relevant bit for the topic is that a diesel engine will obviously run on an indirect fuelling basis where fuel is put in through the inlet manifold during the inlet stroke.However as everyone knows,unlike petrol engines diesel engine running speeds are only controlled by the amount of fuel that’s put into them.Not by a throttle controlling air inlet and fuelling.Hence if enough fuel gets into a diesel engine by whatever means there’s nothing really stopping it from running away uncontrollably.
Compression ignition engines first ran on coal dust. Dr Rudolf Diesel improved them to run on heavy oil.
So how do you explain that one BK?
You can’t, because you don’t know what you’re talking about.
come on burgers, hold your hands up
Im convinced Bking is just trolling.
Nobody can be that bloody stupid,
or can they?
Bking:
gordonw:
I have seen a Petters engine run away in our workshop and it sheared the crankshaft at the flywheel and it took off across the workshop floor up the wall and thro a window into the yard lucky nobody was killed/hurt but was scary when you see it happening the force that built up in that flywheel!!!The"oil" was injected via the unit pump not ■■■■■■ in via the induction manifold.It “arrived” at the right time.
Why do you need timing to 12 or 13 degrees BTDC if you can just ■■■■ crap in and just let it burn.Why do you need to atomise fuel to 6 or 700 bar to get a poxy 500 horse out of some crap 13 litre donkey when you can just pour crap engine oil down the inlet manifold?Diesels have been developed for nearly a hundred years and its all down to injection pressures and timing not some oil or vapour being sucked into the cylinders like some crap petrol garbage.
You need precise metering of the fuel delivery to achieve controllable performance, fuel economy, emissions etc. Diesel engines will run badly and uncontrollably on just about any atomised or vapourised flamable liquid.
What you are saying makes as much sense as asking “Why bother with a woodburing stove, when you can just set fire to your house?”
GasGas:
You need precise metering of the fuel delivery to achieve controllable performance, fuel economy, emissions etc. Diesel engines will run badly and uncontrollably on just about any atomised or vapourised flamable liquid.What you are saying makes as much sense as asking “Why bother with a woodburing stove, when you can just set fire to your house?”
Exactly right.
To wander off topic slightly, why do diesel engines become addicted to easy start once its been used more than an odd time and then won’t start without it?
Driveroneuk:
To wander off topic slightly, why do diesel engines become addicted to easy start once its been used more than an odd time and then won’t start without it?
Because it makes such a violent explosion in the cylinders combustion chamber which causes massive pressures on the piston and con rod. That is what the horrible knocking noise is you hear when its used. Think of it like using a sledge hammer on the piston crown. It apparently makes the con rod shorter each time its used thus lowering the compression ratio. Obviously the lower it goes, the harder it will be to start and so you use more easy start and so the downward spiral continues.
Plus it washes oil off the bores, causing wear. Use with caution: ie as a one off to get an engine going, not because you can’t be arsed to fit new heaterplugs (diesel) spark plugs (petrol).
Driveroneuk:
To wander off topic slightly, why do diesel engines become addicted to easy start once its been used more than an odd time and then won’t start without it?
I’ve been wondering that for a long time too.
Gembo:
Because it makes such a violent explosion in the cylinders combustion chamber which causes massive pressures on the piston and con rod. That is what the horrible knocking noise is you hear when its used. Think of it like using a sledge hammer on the piston crown. It apparently makes the con rod shorter each time its used thus lowering the compression ratio. Obviously the lower it goes, the harder it will be to start and so you use more easy start and so the downward spiral continues.
Ooooh
Well that’s something I’ve learned today 
GasGas:
Plus it washes oil off the bores, causing wear. Use with caution: ie as a one off to get an engine going, not because you can’t be arsed to fit new heaterplugs (diesel) spark plugs (petrol).
It cracks the rings and what bloody truck engine has heater plugs they use flame start or manifold heating.
Is every bugger on here living in the 60s?
Driveroneuk:
del949:
How does a petrol engine runaway,once the spark is gone there should be no ignitionNot so many years back lots of petrol engines used to run on for a few seconds or more when (the spark)was switched off, especially if a bit hot or the ignition timing was a bit too far advanced. Sometimes they’d even run backwards.
Not surprising clutches have been burned out trying to stall a truck in FIRST GEAR
Seen my neighbours Mrs with car enveloped in a cloud of clutch smoke trying that trick a few years back when the fuel cut off solenoid went on their diesel ■■■■■■ at a weekend. I had shown him what to do (stall in 4th or 5th) until i could obtain a solenoid on the Monday.
Mind you, she was revving it as she tried to stall it.
So they ■■■■ fuel in through the exhaust as they run backwards.Where do I buy one?And this escorts ticking over in first and you cant stall it in ANY gear.Was this the 5000 horse model they brought out in 84?
What a load of crap!Put a bloody ■■■■■■ into top,full throttle and drop the clutch and it will stall or maybe thats just in my head.Or yours!Maybe it was sucking oil in through the turbo Oh sorry they didnt have one.
Bking:
Driveroneuk:
del949:
How does a petrol engine runaway,once the spark is gone there should be no ignitionNot so many years back lots of petrol engines used to run on for a few seconds or more when (the spark)was switched off, especially if a bit hot or the ignition timing was a bit too far advanced. Sometimes they’d even run backwards.
Not surprising clutches have been burned out trying to stall a truck in FIRST GEAR
Seen my neighbours Mrs with car enveloped in a cloud of clutch smoke trying that trick a few years back when the fuel cut off solenoid went on their diesel ■■■■■■ at a weekend. I had shown him what to do (stall in 4th or 5th) until i could obtain a solenoid on the Monday.
Mind you, she was revving it as she tried to stall it.So they ■■■■ fuel in through the exhaust as they run backwards.Where do I buy one?And this escorts ticking over in first and you cant stall it in ANY gear.Was this the 5000 horse model they brought out in 84?
What a load of crap!Put a bloody ■■■■■■ into top,full throttle and drop the clutch and it will stall or maybe thats just in my head.Or yours!Maybe it was sucking oil in through the turbo Oh sorry they didnt have one.
An expert, earlier on this thread, was saying 1st gear to try and stall it. Maybe you should discuss it with him directly?