BKing:
A natural gas engine still has to have diesel injected in to ignite a volatile gas…
I fear our forkies would take the ■■■■ if I were to ask ‘‘where is the diesel fuel cap’’ on this LPG powered forklift.
Ps I know they have a spark thingy.
I normally admire single mindedness in a man but in this case nine pages telling him he’s wrong and he still won’t have it!
I imagine he’ll be back once again just as soon as he returns from sitting on the beach on his throne commanding the waves to turn back!
the maoster:
I normally admire single mindedness in a man but in this case nine pages telling him he’s wrong and he still won’t have it!I imagine he’ll be back once again just as soon as he returns from sitting on the beach on his throne commanding the waves to turn back!
He,s probably composing his apology right now for all the guys he,s insulted in the last 9 pages,and who have many years experience.
jackslad:
He,s probably composing his apology right now for all the guys he,s insulted in the last 9 pages,and who have many years experience.
Now that is funny ,burger king apologise !!! He will probably slate you 
norb:
A company called Hardstaff do a lot of the gas conversions ,along with their haulage side …I know they did the co-op fodens
I used to have Volvo FMs in that were dual-fuel with LPG and diesel in use together. The whole system was surprisingly basic and think it just squirted LPG into the air intake once the engine had got up to temperature. This of course would never work as we’ve been well-informed on this thread that squirting hydrocarbons into a hot air intake won’t lead to combustion. 
Think the theory was they gave the engine more oomph with a cheaper fuel so the driver would then need to use less right foot on the diesel - you can guess how that worked out. 
Tesco should be very grateful, anyway, the whole time Bking is on here he’s not applying his 35/40 years ‘experience’ to one of their lorries.
Own Account Driver:
norb:
A company called Hardstaff do a lot of the gas conversions ,along with their haulage side …I know they did the co-op fodensI used to have Volvo FMs in that were dual-fuel with LPG and diesel in use together. The whole system was surprisingly basic and think it just squirted LPG into the air intake once the engine had got up to temperature. This of course would never work as we’ve been well-informed on this thread that squirting hydrocarbons into a hot air intake won’t lead to combustion.
Think the theory was they gave the engine more oomph with a cheaper fuel so the driver would then need to use less right foot on the diesel - you can guess how that worked out.
Tesco should be very grateful, anyway, the whole time Bking is on here he’s not applying his 35/40 years ‘experience’ to one of their lorries.
As I said in the previous 15 page argument on a different topic LPG might run in compression ignition engines using a diesel pilot but they won’t run at their optimum using a high octane fuel like LPG possibly to the point of damage in some cases.Which is why at least one specialist has converted Mercedes heavy truck diesels to spark ignition using spark ignition type compression ratios not diesel ones to run on the stuff properly as it’s meant to be used.The bit that bking has got wrong is that he’s confusing not running at it’s best but still being able to run away in many cases,just about regardless of what’s chucked into the inlet manifold,with not running at all.
newmercman:
The diesel/gas engines use fumigation to get the gas into the combustion chamber, it goes in through the inlet manifold along with the fresh air. BKing mentioning this as an example is actually proving his theory to be incorrect, as the oil from a failed turbocharger travels through the same path when it goes in to the engineThe diesel that is injected into the combustion chamber is only there to create pilot ignition as the dual fuel engines don’t have spark plugs, so BKing… another epic FAIL
How much ■■■■ can you come up with? You need diesel to produce pilot “ignition” with a gas but crappy old engine oil will just fire on its own.Just listen to your own crap man
Anyone with half an idea of how gas engines work would realise that the injected diesel is also used to time the combustion for an efficient, clean burn.
Your f
Carryfast:
Own Account Driver:
norb:
A company called Hardstaff do a lot of the gas conversions ,along with their haulage side …I know they did the co-op fodensI used to have Volvo FMs in that were dual-fuel with LPG and diesel in use together. The whole system was surprisingly basic and think it just squirted LPG into the air intake once the engine had got up to temperature. This of course would never work as we’ve been well-informed on this thread that squirting hydrocarbons into a hot air intake won’t lead to combustion.
Think the theory was they gave the engine more oomph with a cheaper fuel so the driver would then need to use less right foot on the diesel - you can guess how that worked out.
Tesco should be very grateful, anyway, the whole time Bking is on here he’s not applying his 35/40 years ‘experience’ to one of their lorries.
As I said in the previous 15 page argument on a different topic LPG might run in compression ignition engines using a diesel pilot but they won’t run at their optimum using a high octane fuel like LPG possibly to the point of damage in some cases.Which is why at least one specialist has converted Mercedes heavy truck diesels to spark ignition using spark ignition type compression ratios not diesel ones to run on the stuff properly as it’s meant to be used.The bit that bking has got wrong is that he’s confusing not running at it’s best but still being able to run away in many cases,just about regardless of what’s chucked into the inlet manifold,with not running at all.
Your full o ■■■■■■
Roymondo:
Anyone with half an idea of how gas engines work would realise that the injected diesel is also used to time the combustion for an efficient, clean burn.
No you just ■■■■ crap engine oil through the the induction valves and the numpties believe its running without air (the turbos blown)without diesel (ignition off) and you dont need injection pressure.
Not even amatuers just diks who have a license.
God save us from “professionals”
But they know better.
And you sir have been quite conclusively proved to be in error- I suggest you knock off the personal attacks
if the personal attacks continue then we will have to look at wether we can let you post unsupervised
Oh Rikki! Is that really necessary? D’ya fink anybody is really taking offence here? More like in for the fun!
DrivingMissDaisy:
Oh Rikki! Is that really necessary? D’ya fink anybody is really taking offence here? More like in for the fun!
Miss Daisy I salute you ■■
Life is to short to take it seriously. You have a nice day.
Roymondo:
Anyone with half an idea of how gas engines work would realise that the injected diesel is also used to time the combustion for an efficient, clean burn.
You wouldnt know a diesel engine if it kicked you in the eye, desk jockey ■■■
Bking:
Your fCarryfast:
Own Account Driver:
norb:
A company called Hardstaff do a lot of the gas conversions ,along with their haulage side …I know they did the co-op fodensI used to have Volvo FMs in that were dual-fuel with LPG and diesel in use together. The whole system was surprisingly basic and think it just squirted LPG into the air intake once the engine had got up to temperature. This of course would never work as we’ve been well-informed on this thread that squirting hydrocarbons into a hot air intake won’t lead to combustion.
Think the theory was they gave the engine more oomph with a cheaper fuel so the driver would then need to use less right foot on the diesel - you can guess how that worked out.
Tesco should be very grateful, anyway, the whole time Bking is on here he’s not applying his 35/40 years ‘experience’ to one of their lorries.
As I said in the previous 15 page argument on a different topic LPG might run in compression ignition engines using a diesel pilot but they won’t run at their optimum using a high octane fuel like LPG possibly to the point of damage in some cases.Which is why at least one specialist has converted Mercedes heavy truck diesels to spark ignition using spark ignition type compression ratios not diesel ones to run on the stuff properly as it’s meant to be used.The bit that bking has got wrong is that he’s confusing not running at it’s best but still being able to run away in many cases,just about regardless of what’s chucked into the inlet manifold,with not running at all.
Your full o [zb].
Ironically that’s exactly what many of those on that topic said too. 
As I said petrol based fuels can’t be run at compression ignition type ratios without risk of detonation and resulting engine damage at worst or not optimum ignition timing at best which obviously also applies in the case of using a diesel pilot.Hence the reason,as I said,for any optimum diesel engine LPG conversion having to involve conversion to spark ignition and reduction to a spark ignition type compression ratio not a compression ignition one.
lpgasmagazine.co.uk/lpg-truck-a-world-first/
The issue of the risk of detonation of a high octane fuel like petrol/LPG obviously doesn’t apply in the case of oil getting into the cylinder and igniting under compression.In all cases as I said a diesel engine will run and possibly run away with an indirect fuel source through the inlet manifold not just the injectors.Although it’s no surprise that you don’t seem to have wanted to answer the question as to what’s happening here.
The real wonder is how much bull you amatuers can come out with.If the world ran on ■■■■■ you boys on here could power the world.
Bking:
Roymondo:
Anyone with half an idea of how gas engines work would realise that the injected diesel is also used to time the combustion for an efficient, clean burn.No you just ■■■■ crap engine oil through the the induction valves and the numpties believe its running without air (the turbos blown)without diesel (ignition off) and you dont need injection pressure.
Not even amatuers just diks who have a license.
God save us from “professionals”
But they know better.
So the term off boost obviously means zb all to you in the sense that the turbo is only there to deliver air at higher than atmospheric pressure into the inlet manifold whereas if the turbo is blown the engine can still run off boost on a naturally aspirated basis.Which being that the engine isn’t under load will still be enough to supply enough air for it to rev to destruction.Unless you’re saying that a blown turbo actually also shuts off the air supply to the manifold.
del949:
How do you ‘set off’ with no throttle, the clutch won’t engage until you apply throttle.
point taken, try using minimum throttle.
re the suggestion of engaging first gear and applying footbrake, all that happens is that the clutch fails.
been there , done it.
How can you “set off” with no throttle to try & stall the engine if it’s already reving it’s b*llocks off■■?
Bking:
The real wonder is how much bull you amatuers can come out with.If the world ran on [zb] you boys on here could power the world.
However good you’d like to think that you are the discussion has obviously reached a level which goes way above your limited levels of understanding of the subject.
BKING
Please, FFS man, read this article en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine_runaway and stop being such a fricken dumb arse, do us all a favour.
Your on damage limitation now!