Royal Wedding

[carryfast]

UKtramp:
Freedom doesn’t mean the right to insult a different culture or their skin colour. That has nothing to do with freedom, you have an odd perspective on the term freedom.

The point was the freedom to oppose the idea of diluting the ‘different cultures’ /ethnicities ( differences between them ).Not personally insulting any individual and certainly nothing to do with skin colour.Check out the article I posted and it’s clear that Jewish ethnicity and culture and identity is on the line over similar issues and I’d argue for their right to say it and oppose it if anyone wishes to,just as I would Bewick’s etc in the case of ours.While surely that article itself proves that it isn’t an issue of skin colour at all.With the idea of ‘different culture’ meaning a lot more than that.But you already knew that.

[dipper_dave]

Always a tricky topic this racism stuff, I’m fortunate having such a diverse family that’s it’s not an issue. In fact it’s educational to see how racism is perceived although a day out in Solihull made me ashamed to be white, but that was a minority perpetuating the ‘white trash’ stereotype.

I’ve learnt getting offended on behalf of others makes things worse, so does trying to stamp it out. Just let people express themselves even if it’s just for attention seeking internet banter.

In the end it’s down to poor parenting, we ain’t born racist. Society and being a pack species doesn’t help but a good foundation will sort it out.

Everybody’s a little bit racist anyway, especially behind closed doors.

Must dash the son in laws just watsapped me a picture of a white bloke with a micro ■■■■■ and I need to enquire why on a lovely day like this he isn’t out picking cotton.

[uktramp]

Dipper_Dave:
Always a tricky topic this racism stuff, I’m fortunate having such a diverse family that’s it’s not an issue. In fact it’s educational to see how racism is perceived although a day out in Solihull made me ashamed to be white, but that was a minority perpetuating the ‘white trash’ stereotype.

I’ve learnt getting offended on behalf of others makes things worse, so does trying to stamp it out. Just let people express themselves even if it’s just for attention seeking internet banter.

In the end it’s down to poor parenting, we ain’t born racist. Society and being a pack species doesn’t help but a good foundation will sort it out.

Everybody’s a little bit racist anyway, especially behind closed doors.

Must dash the son in laws just watsapped me a picture of a white bloke with a micro ■■■■■ and I need to enquire why on a lovely day like this he isn’t out picking cotton.

You never fail to make me laugh Dave,

[uktramp]

Carryfast:
While surely that article itself proves that it isn’t an issue of skin colour at all.With the idea of ‘different culture’ meaning a lot more than that.But you already knew that.

I am well versed in both the meaning and experience of culture. I am world wise and have visited as well as worked in most countries across the globe. One thing I have learnt in my travels is to respect other cultures and not mock them because it is different to what I consider to be different. The Jewish culture article you point to is nothing to do with racism, that is trying to preserve their heritage and blood line. Nothing wrong with that, however you may notice that cultures across the world are changing depending upon location. In the UK the Jewish beliefs are not as strong as the principles are in Israel, they are trying to integrate the Jewish religion into mixed marriages over here but is frowned upon more in Israel. That is not racism or insulting. The point is that you cannot make fun out of someone or any religion in a spiteful way without consequences unless you simply sit on the internet typing such racist remarks. Try popping over to Israel or any Arab culture and see how far freedom of speech gets you.

[wheel_nut]

robroy:
Times change eh?
youtu.be/Cd-eYCoTJcw

Racist or different times ?

They had the dog killed off then?

[wheel_nut]

[carryfast]

Wheel Nut:

Oh zb that’s done it.Who was it who took over from Martin Luther King.We’re never going to hear the end of it now.Look on the bright side at least he didn’t say tribe so all might not be lost.

[bewick]

Wheel Nut:

■■■■■■■ priceless !

[carryfast]

UKtramp:

Carryfast:
While surely that article itself proves that it isn’t an issue of skin colour at all.With the idea of ‘different culture’ meaning a lot more than that.But you already knew that.

I am well versed in both the meaning and experience of culture. I am world wise and have visited as well as worked in most countries across the globe. One thing I have learnt in my travels is to respect other cultures and not mock them because it is different to what I consider to be different. The Jewish culture article you point to is nothing to do with racism, that is trying to preserve their heritage and blood line. Nothing wrong with that

If there’s nothing wrong with Jewish people ( rightly ) making the case for the protection of their Jewish ‘blood line’,obviously including use of the the term Shikse regarding mixed marriages,then why is it wrong for us in the case of our ‘blood line’.

Yes respect other ‘cultures’ ( ethnicities ) which obviously means not breeding them out of existence as part of a social engineering experiment.In this case the politically driven media circus predictably making too much of that ethnicity angle as part of that agenda.Not to mention the equally all too predictable calls of racist against those with Bewick’s and Buzzer’s views.

[uktramp]

Carryfast:
Not to mention the equally all too predictable calls of racist against those with Bewick’s and Buzzer’s views.

Not at all, some forms of culture humour can indeed be amusing or even witty without being offensive, it is all a matter of context and situation. I agree that some people can take offence for the wrong reasons or take things out of context too easily. However some forms of humour can lead to being interpreted as racist comments which then in itself is inappropriate humour. Simple ethics, respect and common sense can avoid any confusion. Take Dipper_Daves comment as an example, non offensive, witty and would make anyone smile, then take a comment such as “half chat” or “your kind” for example, these terms are inappropriate in any context. I would have assumed that you had the sense to see this rather than try to make a case out of it. Arguing for argument sake rings true here as you know full well that you cannot make any argument in defence of insulting someone for their skin colour or creed is ever going to win any argument. Unless you of course try to twist words out of context.

[reef]

I can honestly say in 47yrs I’ve never heard the term ‘half chat’ before reading this thread, there was another ‘half …’ phrase I’m all to familiar with (one of my mates at school had ‘mixed parentage’ and I went to school in a slightly less politically correct era) the ‘chat’ bit must be an English thing then?

[carryfast]

Reef:
I can honestly say in 47yrs I’ve never heard the term ‘half chat’ before reading this thread, there was another ‘half …’ phrase I’m all to familiar with (one of my mates at school had ‘mixed parentage’ and I went to school in a slightly less politically correct era) the ‘chat’ bit must be an English thing then?

No I’ve only known English descriptions and never heard that either so just guessed it was some local term.While having grown up through the change in 60’s/70’s Skinhead culture from getting on really well with the Afro culture to it often becoming an issue.Ironically it was mainly the issue of ‘them’ taking a disproportionate interest in ‘white’ birds for obvious reasons.To the point of ‘white’ birds then often turning down ‘white’ blokes purely and just on ethnic grounds preferring ‘black’ ones which did it,if anything.The point being that argument never turned to the extremes seen among the KKK and only that,arguably justifiably,shown in the Jewish example of interracial relationships.IE not much point in defending the idea of multiculturalism if the Socialists want to turn it into a monoculture helped by the Afros wanting multicultaralism and defending their own seperate identity and culture when it suits them and then playing the victim card because they want integration when it doesn’t and when we don’t.Piece of interesting social history there for anyone who wants to take an objective view of it and not the hysterical over politicised one pushed by the media with its bs racist everything axe to grind.

On that note those who want the freedom to support ethnic integration should realise that freedom goes both ways in respecting the freedom of those who don’t wish to support it.

[robroy]

Reef:
I can honestly say in 47yrs I’ve never heard the term ‘half chat’ before reading this thread, there was another ‘half …’ phrase I’m all to familiar with (one of my mates at school had ‘mixed parentage’ and I went to school in a slightly less politically correct era) the ‘chat’ bit must be an English thing then?

[the_maoster]

Whereas full chat has totally different and much more fun connotations.

[franglais]

I always heard it as “half chap”?
But being from the highly cultured south coast, we all have refined features, and small delicate ears.
So us canna hear nowt anyhows.

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[bewick]

I will hold my hand up and admit that I shouldn’t have launched this thread ! The UK is slowly becoming dominated by the PC Brigade which has even permutated into TNUK, not totally, as some Lads that are on the site, like me, will always maintain our well developed and hard won sense of humour! The craic from within the industry is a law unto itself and the PC Brigade will never extinguish it until the last of the old timers are long gone ! So all I will say to the PC 'ers is Bollox ! if you don’t like the craic ■■■■ off onto a PC site because you won’t brow beat us Lads, you’ll only get more of the same ! Bewick.

[reef]

Bewick:
I will hold my hand up and admit that I shouldn’t have launched this thread ! The UK is slowly becoming dominated by the PC Brigade which has even permutated into TNUK, not totally, as some Lads that are on the site, like me, will always maintain our well developed and hard won sense of humour! The craic from within the industry is a law unto itself and the PC Brigade will never extinguish it until the last of the old timers are long gone ! So all I will say to the PC 'ers is Bollox ! if you don’t like the craic ■■■■ off onto a PC site because you won’t brow beat us Lads, you’ll only get more of the same ! Bewick.

Nothing to do with the ‘PC brigade’ old’un, it’s more to do with the site owners and therein the bill payers, if they say no then it’s no, no matter how much you wave your walking stick

And just in case it’s slipped by your old cataracts, nothing has been removed or censored in this thread… Yet!

[carryfast]

Bewick:
I will hold my hand up and admit that I shouldn’t have launched this thread ! The UK is slowly becoming dominated by the PC Brigade which has even permutated into TNUK, not totally, as some Lads that are on the site, like me, will always maintain our well developed and hard won sense of humour! The craic from within the industry is a law unto itself and the PC Brigade will never extinguish it until the last of the old timers are long gone ! So all I will say to the PC 'ers is Bollox ! if you don’t like the craic ■■■■ off onto a PC site because you won’t brow beat us Lads, you’ll only get more of the same ! Bewick.

They’d go into meltdown if they saw some of the comments from Americans on youtube concerning the wedding subject vids.It’s almost kicked of the US civil war again among them and it’s only going down hill from there.

But yes it’s bleedin scary to think of this country when you old codgers have all gone and the freedom to think what we like in maintaining and celebrating and laughing at the differences between the cultures and not trying to wipe them out,so long as it’s not espousing violence against any group,has been completely extinguished by these reverse nazis.

And no you absolutely had every right to post the alternative view and thanks for it Bewick.While to be fair the site has actually done a fair and grand job of letting it run and better than could be expected for the modern day.

[carryfast]

Reef:
if they say no then it’s no, no matter how much you wave your walking stick

And just in case it’s slipped by your old cataracts

[robroy]

Bewick:
I will hold my hand up and admit that I shouldn’t have launched this thread ! The UK is slowly becoming dominated by the PC Brigade which has even permutated into TNUK, not totally, as some Lads that are on the site, like me, will always maintain our well developed and hard won sense of humour! The craic from within the industry is a law unto itself and the PC Brigade will never extinguish it until the last of the old timers are long gone ! So all I will say to the PC 'ers is Bollox ! if you don’t like the craic ■■■■ off onto a PC site because you won’t brow beat us Lads, you’ll only get more of the same ! Bewick.

Hiya Dennis.
As I was one that commented on some of the content on this thread, I reckon I should respond to you.

Personally I’m one of the least pc blokes you could meet.
I wasn’t coming at it from a pc perspective at all.

As I said I was not ‘‘offended’’ in the true sense of the word, why would I be? I aint one for jumping on the
bandwagon of being offended on behalf of others,.and I aint some delicate wallflower either.

I also believe in free speech, but my opinion is if something aint too decent or appropriate, and could cause a lot of ag, I tend to keep what could be termed ‘‘offensive’’ to myself…but everybody’s different.

I once got picked up on here when I said something along the line of ‘‘Some drivers are bordering on special needs’’ then some guy who was involved with special needs kids had a go, and I apologised, after thinking…Yeh, if I had a young kid like that I would maybe feel the same.

Also nowt wrong with black humour either, you can make a joke about anything, but I suppose it’s a case of getting the balance right between black humour and bigotry, and I just thought (for what it’s worth) that line had been crossed, with the other guy’s ‘‘half chat to boot’’ crack,.as if that was the ultimate in being ashamed of.
I used my mate’s little girl as an example, and tbh it was the thought of him and her that urged me to comment…, not as I say ‘‘offended’’ just a bit of empathy with a mate, he has had a few nasty experiences in the past, and he aint the most reasonable of blokes.

Anyway, hope that explains what I was getting at.