It was on the local BBC news tonight that RLM are having to recruit direct from Romania due to the driver shortage
mc thackeray:
It was on the local BBC news tonight that RLM are having to recruit direct from Romania due to the driver shortage
Lazy Brits don’t want to work in the textile industry.
Lazy Brits don’t want to work in the shipbuilding industry.
Lazy Brits don’t want to work in the coal mining industry.
Now it’s the turn of “Jobs going abroad because lazy Brits don’t want to drive trucks”.
Blimey, will they all have done their dcpc already?
mc thackeray:
It was on the local BBC news tonight that RLM are going to recruit direct from Romania due to the cheap driver shortage
FTFY.
Shortage, schmortage.
THe insurance fiddles continue then…
This problem could have been solved as part of the DCPC, which included you having to be GCSE standard at Maths & English ‘at least’.
Winseer:
This problem could have been solved as part of the DCPC, which included you having to be GCSE standard at Maths & English ‘at least’.
Well that probably counts half the native population of the UK out then … don`t it
Think the driver shortage thing may be starting to bite and will only get worse as September approaches.
Thought I’d retired a year ago but for one reason or another I had to start driving again in September and have been full-time since and I’m certainly not god’s gift to driving.
■■■■■■ me off that companies will go out of the way to recruit from Eastern Europe instead of paying a decent wage to attract UK drivers back into the job.
Harry Monk:
mc thackeray:
It was on the local BBC news tonight that RLM are having to recruit direct from Romania due to the driver shortageLazy Brits don’t want to work in the textile industry.
Lazy Brits don’t want to work in the shipbuilding industry.
Lazy Brits don’t want to work in the coal mining industry.
Now it’s the turn of “Jobs going abroad because lazy Brits don’t want to drive trucks”.
IF this is really the case, how many of these ‘lazy brits’ are there and where are they?? There are just as many lazy so and so’s in all nations not just this one. It’s purely down to being able to exploit those that have to accept their lot and work for what, in their own country would be a fab wage whereas here it is seen as a pittance and so drive down the living standards of the indigenous populous.
I’m personally tired and bored of hearing that the UK has a skills shortage but no one ever says what those skills are and WHY UK businesses don’t or won’t train or re-train the local populace to fill the gap. If they say they need them now and don’t have time because their competitors could steal a march on them then they need to get more with it and stop blaming everyone else for their own incompetence!
Some people are more academic and some are practical so why does everyone need a degree? Because real industry has gone (we don’t really manufacture anymore) and most jobs now require brains and no common sense. How many managers are there now that don’t know how anything really works or gets done? If your on the dole with a degree do you get more because you’ve got a degree? I didn’t think so - so what is the point? You’re still unemployed but a bit more anethasised because you were brain washed into believing the crap that successive ‘career politicians’ have fed you since school. You were taught to be a ‘good citizen and exclusive club member’ that supports the establishment and tows the party line (whatever party you thought looked after you). Industry or business should be the ones providing the most suitable training for jobs it creates and stop relying on the state to do everything for them.
Is it because training costs money and therefore it should be up to the rest of the UK economy (sic) to subsidise business to pay for it so that it doesn’t make the UK uncompetitive?!
If they can’t operate in this market they should take their inefficient rip off businesses somewhere else and get their tax payers to fund them.
What a load of tosh! We may operate in a global economy but it is a very unbalanced one. I’ll take Chinese or Bangladeshi wages so long as I only have to cough up their prices for utilities and food and I can look on with envy at the luxury goods I might one day own. But so long as MY COSTS remain out of my control I’ll keep asking for a wage that allows me to live reasonably.
They seem to be able to come up with stats for most things but they NEVER seem to find the ones that tell the whole story or the truth for that matter!
I don’t want to live somebody else’s dream - I just want to be properly recompensed for the effort I make. All you brainwashed types need to emigrate to a country more compatible with your own expectations - ie: the home of the greenback!
And as you leave please leave the lights on - the rest of us will need them to sweep up the crap you will be leaving behind. Don’t forget to take YOUR cheap labour with you.
I for one wouldn’t mind a fresh start with a level playing field.
peirre:
Winseer:
This problem could have been solved as part of the DCPC, which included you having to be GCSE standard at Maths & English ‘at least’.Well that probably counts half the native population of the UK out then … don`t it
Well, more than half that are already excluded from being train drivers hmm?
The less that can be wheeled into a job, the more it pays.
How the devil can a “qualification” be worth anything at all if anyone can get it, even those who don’t understand any questions asked?
DCPC seems to be just a fiddle to get more money out of the driving population, rather than actually driving standards UP, which is what we all hoped it was for at the beginning.
chicane:
Think the driver shortage thing may be starting to bite and will only get worse as September approaches.
I’ll go with this…I instruct (inc. DCPC) and there are a lot of guys hanging up the keys come September.
The average age of a driver is now around 55yo, the DSA has reported a 35% drop in the number of HGV tests they are doing compared to a couple of years ago and yet wages continue to skip along at the lowest possible, fuel is, as always going through the roof, insurance is following, repairs and servicing are becoming ludicrous, more limits, control zones, restrictions, rules and associated crap…and then to cap it all the authorities want their cut on top, referring to us a “customers”…
Anyone else thinking of shelf stacking or flipping burgers for a living?!?
Who’s RLM?
Meistre:
chicane:
Think the driver shortage thing may be starting to bite and will only get worse as September approaches.I’ll go with this…I instruct (inc. DCPC) and there are a lot of guys hanging up the keys come September.
The average age of a driver is now around 55yo, the DSA has reported a 35% drop in the number of HGV tests they are doing compared to a couple of years ago and yet wages continue to skip along at the lowest possible, fuel is, as always going through the roof, insurance is following, repairs and servicing are becoming ludicrous, more limits, control zones, restrictions, rules and associated crap…and then to cap it all the authorities want their cut on top, referring to us a “customers”…
Anyone else thinking of shelf stacking or flipping burgers for a living?!?
Totally agree I run my own truck and the rates people want to pay for jobs is a joke,they are less now than years back and all costs(fuel, insurance, service and repairs have in some cases doubled) the price of tyres and batteries is a joke.No way am I doing this dcpc they can shove it and the haulage industry is just a massive cash cow to certain authorities.
Winseer:
peirre:
Winseer:
This problem could have been solved as part of the DCPC, which included you having to be GCSE standard at Maths & English ‘at least’.Well that probably counts half the native population of the UK out then … don`t it
Well, more than half that are already excluded from being train drivers hmm?
The less that can be wheeled into a job, the more it pays.
How the devil can a “qualification” be worth anything at all if anyone can get it, even those who don’t understand any questions asked?
DCPC seems to be just a fiddle to get more money out of the driving population, rather than actually driving standards UP, which is what we all hoped it was for at the beginning.
That’s because the DCPC isnt a real qualification ,nor was it designed to drive standards of driving up . it’s just solely another way to make drivers pay to work . If anything was needed it would be a drivers rules ®s refresher course that would take only 1-2hrs to cover any new legistlation brought in,and other stuff like the Digi tachco , no need for 35hrs every 5 yrs at all ,which could be provided in house by your company
More money for me then if everyone’s quitting. I’ve done my 35 hrs Cos their sure is hell isn’t any other work out there
tommy t:
That’s because the DCPC isnt a real qualification ,nor was it designed to drive standards of driving up . it’s just solely another way to make drivers pay to work . If anything was needed it would be a drivers rules ®s refresher course that would take only 1-2hrs to cover any new legistlation brought in,and other stuff like the Digi tachco , no need for 35hrs every 5 yrs at all ,which could be provided in house by your company
I agree with you to a point…it’s not a qualification and really it should be. I do though take issue with a couple of things you’ve raised.
It SHOULD drive standards up (it’s failing because it’s been poorly implemented by gov’t…no change there then) and that opportunity has been missed for now, but training in some form of another could contribute to that. We’re a professional body of people who really don’t accept that as a premise. We command NO respect from our peers, management, those in our office, the enforcement authorities or the wider general public.
If we don’t treat ourselves and jobs we do as a professional, how do we expect others to respect us. An improvement in our driving standards, completed with a recognised quality training qualification, a decent wage, a professional body and an industry whose aims have got to be better than the current “race to the bottom” can only help improve our income, standard of living and career prospects.
I think DCPC is just one of many tools that could be used to make things better for us all when out there in the stress inducing coal face.
Also, as someone who has delivered a lot of DCPC cources, it is shocking the number of guys (and a few girls) coming through these courses that have little or no understanding of even the basics when it comes to driver’s reg, WTD, HSe, PPE, Highway Code, the RTA and basic load security.
DCPC must do not 35 hours in 5 years.but every years one refresh day or some 4-8 hours.because if drivers taked all CPC this years.he can not refresh nothing next 5 years.no good.
this training must carry by good instructor -drivers.who have experience in all .because now we can see when some training give instructor who was driving truck last time 15 years ago or more.
chicane:
■■■■■■ me off that companies will go out of the way to recruit from Eastern Europe instead of paying a decent wage to attract UK drivers back into the job.
The company said they paid all there drivers the same wage
mc thackeray:
chicane:
■■■■■■ me off that companies will go out of the way to recruit from Eastern Europe instead of paying a decent wage to attract UK drivers back into the job.The company said they paid all there drivers the same wage
Do you actually believe that
mc thackeray:
chicane:
■■■■■■ me off that companies will go out of the way to recruit from Eastern Europe instead of paying a decent wage to attract UK drivers back into the job.The company said they paid all there drivers the same wage
…Even more reason for an office overflowing with foreigners to keep taking more of them, and shut out Joe Local outright.
Job Centre “vacancies” for blokey jobs used to have to be advertised for females too, as not to fall foul of the ■■■ discrimination act. Come start day, you see how many of the hundreds of new bods on the shop floor were wimmin, if and when the job was a labouring type with hard physical graft involved… 100-Nil (male:female candidates) was the norm not the exception. The reverse used to apply if a guy was daft enough to apply for a secretarial job. I never even got to interview stage, despite being a fast typist all the way back in the 80’s, with other qualifications in computing and accounts to match. I learned the hard way that working class blokes don’t get paid for having brains, and working class women don’t get paid for physical graft (unless it’s outside the law perhaps… )
The firms will employ who they want at the lowest rates as always. Until Insurance firms put a stop to the liabililties involved in employing “el cheap people” rather than the experienced and qualified, nothing will change. Even if 2015 turns everything over, it’ll be well into the next decade before anything actually changes on the ground.