The-Snowman:
AndieHyde:
fonzi:
jakethesnake:
Want to try this instead?Well said that man. But you do realise that you are trying to convince some unrealistic knobs, that seem to think that they are owed a Job and an easy life.
Oooo, look.
Another new member predictably agrees with the argu"mental .Hes been on the site longer than you…
That’s because he’s stockpiling identities to throw us off the scent.
That and bog rolls.
In 1930’s America, people who’d moved their money out of the Stock Market and into Gold, thus shielding themselves from the worst of the slump (so they thought…) were eventually made to sell their gold holdings to the government at a paltry price of $20.67, thus inflicting the slump upon those who’d successfully hedged against the worst of the downturn.
Following this, the slump then became the great depression, which anyone but a Left-loving Historian could argue was a horrifix act of financial vandalism inflicted upon the American middle classes by none other than Democrat Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
At present, we see the commodity price of fuel having dropped two thirds since January.
To prevent Transport and other fuel-using businesses from “Profiteering” from such a fuel price slump - perhaps indeed we might now see “Fuel Rationing”?
I don’t think the Western Public will wear yet another “Push Captalism against the grain” conspiracy this time around, however…
A bad sign that it is indeed going to be a repeat of that - would be Branson bailed out, and nearly all of Sunak’s £300billion ending up in the hands of the Elites, with NO Universal credit provided to the masses whatsoever.
I’m not liking the look of what is going on out there right now - but before I swing Left and start voting for ineffective Labour, or the architects of our current predicament - the Centerists - I want to wait and see if that is what our illustrious government is actually intending here.
I certainlly do NOT want to hear from Boris Johnson another Churchillian maxim "All I can promise you is Blood, Sweat, Toil, and Tears…
How about some bloody PROSPERITY at the expense of a destroyed EU hmm?
I’d rather see the bomb dropped on Brussels, Strasbourg, and the Haague than the UK suffer another year of “Austerity” from here on… 
WHERE’S THE BLOODY MONEY■■?
R420:
Dipper_Dave:
R420:
Dipper_Dave:
Govts will just delete a lot of the pretend money they’ve createdLOL!
I don’t even know where to begin with this.
Do your best no rush
I don’t have enough different coloured crayons to draw you the picture so just stick with your “government will simply delete the debt” theory.
Fiat money only ever gets “Deleted” when Debts get defaulted. Banks can just then “delete” a negative balance by moving a defaulted debt to a debt collector just outside the bank itself - and then take away a minus, thus leaving a “Plus” on the balance sheet.
If everyone defaults all their debts at once - we get a deflationary crash.
Following a deflationary crash - money is worth a lot more than it was before BUT no one has got any except the Elites and the Gangsters masquerading as legitimate Business and Employers…
I don’t believe the government will be defaulting on it’s bond issues - BUT that doesn’t stop it from
(1) Printing money
(2) Using that money to buy further bond issues that might be UNDERsubscribed when they get sold into the open market otherwise
(3) Interest rates are already close to zero, thus effectively making such bonds “Undated”. Unlimited time to repay the debt to themselves…
Should the Banks later have trouble “re-possessing properties” because those living in them - refuse to move out… We might then get some issues where the government ends up writing off it’s own debt, and along with it - a sizeable amount of our own currency.
Once there is less currency in circulation - the shortage makes it worth MORE, but the scarcity of it makes it harder to come by.
Debts - will be almost impossible to collect by this period, and a re-valuation of our entire economy based upon what one can DO rather than “exploit from someone else” will become the order of the day.
In the old economy “Those that can - do, those that cannot - teach”.
In the changed economy “Those that can - survive - those that cannot - perish”.
It is that simple.
R420:
Dipper_Dave:
R420:
Dipper_Dave:
Govts will just delete a lot of the pretend money they’ve createdLOL!
I don’t even know where to begin with this.
Do your best no rush
I don’t have enough different coloured crayons to draw you the picture so just stick with your “government will simply delete the debt” theory.
In other words you don’t know, present an argument or shut up it’s quite simple.
Dipper_Dave:
In other words you don’t know, present an argument or shut up it’s quite simple.
Educate yourself via any of the internet search engines why debt cannot simply “be deleted”. The fact that you believe this can be done I’m afraid shows your complete lack of understanding in how the monetary system and financial markets work so trying to explain it to you would be a fruitless exercise and complete waste of my valuable time.
R420:
Dipper_Dave:
In other words you don’t know, present an argument or shut up it’s quite simple.Educate yourself via any of the internet search engines why debt cannot simply “be deleted”. The fact that you believe this can be done I’m afraid shows your complete lack of understanding in how the monetary system and financial markets work so trying to explain it to you would be a fruitless exercise and complete waste of my valuable time.
Mods: You might want to sticky this to the top, as I sincerely mean this as “debt relief advice”, having gone through the painless path of Citizen’s Advice Debt Relief" myself a couple of decades ago.
Debt is “Liquidated” to be fair, but all too often is not as an ongoing fraudulent method of obtaining further monies by deception from hapless debtors who don’t know when they’ve already won…
The Fraud takes place when a creditor claims back a “written off debt” as a tax deduction, but merely passed that debt as “still collectable” to a debt collection agency, where they will try and pursue the forelorn hope that some mug that originally defaulted said debt - might yet re-activate it for another six years (unsecured) or twelve years (secured) by the payment of a single pound and/or simply acknowleding that debt…
Since the original lender has already claimed the tax back from it - what are they doing still trying to claim it again by proxy? - via a wholly-owned so-called Debt Collector? The taxman has already compensated them for the total loss of the outstanding balance owing on that debt. Was it written off - or wasn’t it?
…That’s trying to get re-paid for the same original outstanding sum multiple times - which then when you look at the whole thing from a distance makes it obvious that the very notion of “debt” and “interest” is all in the mind!! It has become a Faith Tenet of Atheism you might say… How else does one explain that there are people that will murder/suicide their families over owed money coupled with a recent loss of livlihood?
Can you imagine a person of REAL faith wiping out their entire family over “not having enough numbered bits of paper” and being pressed (in their minds…) for repayment in same?
When a debt gets defaulted by the debtor ceasing their payments, the debt should only be pursued via the courts, and if not recovered at that point - written off entirely, claimed back as a tax hit, and then liquidated.
The system has a log-jam in it: The systemic “Moral Hazard” Fraud actually perpetuated by financial lenders attempting to multi-claim ALL outstanding debts via Interest, Charges, Arrangement Fees, PPI, and tax-claimed amounts no longer legally claimable, due to the Statute of Limitations.
If anyone tells you to “Get out of debt by paying it off after it’s already been written off” - then they are a fraud, and part of the problem, instead of the solution.
That was where “IVAs” and “Bankruptcy Consultants” ended up, of course…
Only the Citizen’s Advice Bureau will tell you “If you’re skint, stop paying - and walk away”. Get the debt liquidated and written off properly whilst you remain skint, and once it is gone, like Trump’s 10 bankruptcies - they can never make a claim on any future wealth you come into again." If you don’t learn how to do this - you’ll NEVER obtain and retain serious wealth - anywhere in the world.
I dont know about rationing although it has been mentioned by boris…but i read a report this morning that said, many garages would soon close as the sales are drying up, and it doesnt warrant keeping them open, this was stated by the news on AOL from the fuel advisory board ( or something like that )…so could be dark times ahead although they must keep stocks available for the HGV vehicles requiring fuel and obviously fuel stations theyre likely to use. ( not forgetting its also April 1st.) but did look like a genuine news bulletin.
truckyboy:
I dont know about rationing although it has been mentioned by boris…but i read a report this morning that said, many garages would soon close as the sales are drying up, and it doesnt warrant keeping them open, this was stated by the news on AOL from the fuel advisory board ( or something like that )…so could be dark times ahead although they must keep stocks available for the HGV vehicles requiring fuel and obviously fuel stations theyre likely to use. ( not forgetting its also April 1st.) but did look like a genuine news bulletin.
A lot of garage sites stay open 24 hours because it is cheaper than the insurance cover when they are unmanned, they may close some out of the way places, but will strip the shops and drain the tanks, so that almost guarantees their demise
If the last few weeks have taught me anything…
It’s that even in the event of an apocalypse, Dominos, Sureglaze Windows, Pete your local friendly handyman and the local curry house will still manage to find a way to stuff my letterbox full with their ■■■■■■■ flyers.
sftn
yourhavingalarf:
If the last few weeks have taught me anything…It’s that even in the event of an apocalypse, Dominos, Sureglaze Windows, Pete your local friendly handyman and the local curry house will still manage to find a way to stuff my letterbox full with their [zb] flyer
Wheel Nut:
truckyboy:
I dont know about rationing although it has been mentioned by boris…but i read a report this morning that said, many garages would soon close as the sales are drying up, and it doesnt warrant keeping them open, this was stated by the news on AOL from the fuel advisory board ( or something like that )…so could be dark times ahead although they must keep stocks available for the HGV vehicles requiring fuel and obviously fuel stations theyre likely to use. ( not forgetting its also April 1st.) but did look like a genuine news bulletin.A lot of garage sites stay open 24 hours because it is cheaper than the insurance cover when they are unmanned, they may close some out of the way places, but will strip the shops and drain the tanks, so that almost guarantees their demise
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due to the crucifying government tax then fuel in petrol stations is the loss leader.
the wages/profit come from selling the messages and everything else.
theres more profit from a can of coke and a mars bar than £10 worth of fuel.
yourhavingalarf:
If the last few weeks have taught me anything…It’s that even in the event of an apocalypse, Dominos, Sureglaze Windows, Pete your local friendly handyman and the local curry house will still manage to find a way to stuff my letterbox full with their [zb] flyers.
sftn
Yet they shove em through the door whilst wearing masks/gloves/snorkels…
So you can imagine your cat meats been sneezed on before the salad was added as they must need to come out for air at some point?
The doleys round me are loving this, 14 days straight of takeaway so far, delivered by men better protected than the NHS staff [emoji106]
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weeto:
Santa:
dave docwra:
I wonder if the people during the 2nd World war being told to obey black out rules, saw that as loss
of their freedom.Of course they did. That’s why there were wardens appointed to enforce the rules and a barrage of publicity encouraging people to ‘dig for England’ etc.
There were also laws about ‘spreading alarm and despondency’. If you went around saying, “the government’s claims that the war is going well are all nonsense, you know; we are losing the battle and suffering grievous losses; it is going to end in defeat”, then someone could report you, and you could end up facing prosecution. Even had you been right.
These guys remind me of Private Frazer the Home Guard platoon member and undertaker in Dad’s Army. “We’re doomed, we’re all doomed.”
Private Frazer has morphed into the BBC.
R420:
AndieHyde:
R420:
Juddian:
Be interesting when they ask why we haven’t delivered any food to either the food factories or RDC’s when we can’t get to work due to fuel rationing.“Papers please, sir.”
It’s already happened in France.
In New Zealand the police set up a web site for the purpose of encouraging citizens to report on other citizens who are suspected transgressors to the lockdown.
It crashed within a couple of hours due to overloading.
Every afternoon driving home from work, I am an essential service worker, I see at least one person (stood out it the street) taking a photo of my car.
Why would the police get out there and oppress the population when there are a legion of willing bootlickers , seemingly foaming at the mouth to do it for them.
The same has happened here in the UK. Humberside police couldn’t take any genuine calls because their phone lines were clogged up with snitches reporting their neighbours for being outside doing their daily exercise, taking the dog for a walk etc, so they had to set up a page on their website specifically for the purpose. I’m willing to bet the current number of snitch reports is already into 5 figures and possibly more.
Yep, THOSE are the type of ■■■■ s that should die of corona virus, clean some of them out, who tf would miss them. 
What motivates people to grass up their neighbors? Doing it for financial gain - makes sense I guess, or because you detest your neighbors, I guess…
But still!
…Then there’s this big push to roll the red carpet out to NHS workers right now, regardless of them being medical staff or not…
I even got a message come up on my radio panel this afternoon!
I can’t help but think of the old “Don’t Clap - just throw money” adage…
