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UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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pete904ni:

wullhaul:
professional drivers forum i think not.whats the point of these questions surely if your a proffesional driver you should understand the tacho and its BASIC functions but it seems easier slagging stobarts on the professional drivers forum :blush: :blush:

How else are you ment to learn, [zb]. Must be great to have been born knowing everything already - given as you can sail through you test with no mention of a tacho.

common sense you muppet

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wullhaul:
common sense you muppet

Only 15 posts made, and on my twunt list already :open_mouth: Blocked…

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wullhaul:

pete904ni:

wullhaul:
professional drivers forum i think not.whats the point of these questions surely if your a proffesional driver you should understand the tacho and its BASIC functions but it seems easier slagging stobarts on the professional drivers forum :blush: :blush:

How else are you ment to learn, [zb]. Must be great to have been born knowing everything already - given as you can sail through you test with no mention of a tacho.

common sense you muppet

Surely common sense is asking a question if you’re not sure, rather than going in ignorant and finding you’ve made a terrible mistake. :unamused: However simple the question might be.
I suppose you are one of those all-knowing, done it, seen it, bought the t-shirt know-it-alls. :exclamation: :exclamation:
When “you” have a question about something, do you just go ahead unknowingly, or ask a colleague ?

You’re the muppet :imp:

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Some tachos can have a fourth chart trace to enable many things to be shown engine/pto running being the most common, also road sweepers showing ‘sweeping’ on the chart. Why attack the fella for asking a genuine question!

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pierrot 14:

wullhaul:

pete904ni:

wullhaul:
professional drivers forum i think not.whats the point of these questions surely if your a proffesional driver you should understand the tacho and its BASIC functions but it seems easier slagging stobarts on the professional drivers forum :blush: :blush:

How else are you ment to learn, [zb]. Must be great to have been born knowing everything already - given as you can sail through you test with no mention of a tacho.

common sense you muppet

Surely common sense is asking a question if you’re not sure, rather than going in ignorant and finding you’ve made a terrible mistake. :unamused: However simple the question might be.
I suppose you are one of those all-knowing, done it, seen it, bought the t-shirt know-it-alls. :exclamation: :exclamation:
When “you” have a question about something, do you just go ahead unknowingly, or ask a colleague ?

You’re the muppet :imp:

read the original question . the comment i made was about basic,s you would think the hand book would tell you the answer but obviously not and by the way its a digi card not a didgi card who,s the twunt muppet or whatever you want make up

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The Sarge:

wullhaul:
common sense you muppet

Only 15 posts made, and on my twunt list already :open_mouth: Blocked…

HEARTBROKEN

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bjd:
Ok if you have your didgi tacho on break while the engine is running does it register as such , i no the old tachos showed this on the trace but what about a didgi card ?

The old tachos didn’t show it on the trace…

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pete904ni:

wullhaul:
professional drivers forum i think not.whats the point of these questions surely if your a proffesional driver you should understand the tacho and its BASIC functions but it seems easier slagging stobarts on the professional drivers forum :blush: :blush:

How else are you ment to learn, [zb]. Must be great to have been born knowing everything already - given as you can sail through you test with no mention of a tacho.

Read the many publications there are on it. Tacho law is a basic requirement of doing the job. If you can’t be arsed to bother to learn about it then don’t complain when VOSA take your money and/or your licence off you.

These forums are a shining example of why the Drivers CPC is sorely needed.

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wullhaul:
read the original question . the comment i made was about basic,s you would think the hand book would tell you the answer but obviously not and by the way its a digi card not a didgi card who,s the twunt muppet or whatever you want make up

Hi wullhaul,

Without using petty name-calling, we don’t usually pick people up on their spellings and grammar.

However, and since YOU mentioned it first… please take a look at your post that I’ve quoted.

Do you know the difference between a comma and an apostrophe?

To some people, that’s “basic” too… :wink:

:bulb: Problems of pots conflicting with kettles can be created when people judge others by their own standards, so a little winding in of the neck might be in order. :wink: :laughing: :smiley:

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Willhaul … the basics err i dont remember seeing anywhere in any publication weather the card records the engine running which was the question asked

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bjd:
Ok if you have your didgi tacho on break while the engine is running does it register as such , i no the old tachos showed this on the trace but what about a didgi card ?

The ‘old’ tachos never showed it. The only thing the orriginal tacho showed was any movement and I mean ‘ANY’ movement.

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Pat Hasler:

bjd:
Ok if you have your didgi tacho on break while the engine is running does it register as such , i no the old tachos showed this on the trace but what about a didgi card ?

The ‘old’ tachos never showed it. The only thing the orriginal tacho showed was any movement and I mean ‘ANY’ movement.

Not in reverse gear it didn’t.

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bjd:
Willhaul … the basics err i dont remember seeing anywhere in any publication weather the card records the engine running which was the question asked

Agreed ^ :wink:

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bubsy06:

msgyorkie:
A break is a break wether the engine is running or not.

Yep, its when the wheels start turning that driving time overides break/poa/other work.

If you are having a break, then legally the engine must be off, yes it will only override when the wheels are moving, but while you have the engine running you are still in controll of the truck, so you cannot be on a break.

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balou01257:

bubsy06:

msgyorkie:
A break is a break wether the engine is running or not.

Yep, its when the wheels start turning that driving time overides break/poa/other work.

If you are having a break, then legally the engine must be off, yes it will only override when the wheels are moving, but while you have the engine running you are still in controll of the truck, so you cannot be on a break.

so if you’re sat in 30+c temperature with the engine running and aircon on then legally you’re not having a break? yet another driver myth i smell here.
by the way welcome to trucknet balou :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

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we have a few 6 ton sprinters at the place i work just now 1 of them does not register when engine is on, it also knocks off break if you turn the ignition on, we where told by merc it had been wired up wrong as had been wired for hazardous chemicals. recently done cpc training showed our instructor this, he said he had seen it at a few of our depots and we would have to do a printout and write on the back if there where any discrepencys in the times. but you are allowed to have engine on when on break eg winter when its cold just need to do manual on back of printout.

p.s. also knocks off break if van shakes to much ( parked in layby and artic passes)

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balou01257:

bubsy06:

msgyorkie:
A break is a break wether the engine is running or not.

Yep, its when the wheels start turning that driving time overides break/poa/other work.

If you are having a break, then legally the engine must be off, yes it will only override when the wheels are moving, but while you have the engine running you are still in controll of the truck, so you cannot be on a break.

Sorry but that is total

For the purpose of the tacho rules driving time is the duration of driving activity recorded by the recording equipment. If you are parked on a break then the wheels won’t be turning so it won’t be recorded as driving time. You aren’t doing other work so it won’t be that so whether the engine is running or not it will be break.

Here is the definition of break from the regulations,

‘break’ means any period during which a driver may not
carry out any driving or any other work and which is
used exclusively for recuperation

No mention of the engine at all and if it doesn’t mention it then it doesn’t apply. :stuck_out_tongue:

There is a different interpretation of driving for the tacho rules and other legislation, such as The Road Traffic Act, and as break is part of the tacho rules that is the definition you go by.

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Coffeeholic:

balou01257:

bubsy06:

msgyorkie:
A break is a break wether the engine is running or not.

Yep, its when the wheels start turning that driving time overides break/poa/other work.

If you are having a break, then legally the engine must be off, yes it will only override when the wheels are moving, but while you have the engine running you are still in controll of the truck, so you cannot be on a break.

Sorry but that is total

For the purpose of the tacho rules driving time is the duration of driving activity recorded by the recording equipment. If you are parked on a break then the wheels won’t be turning so it won’t be recorded as driving time. You aren’t doing other work so it won’t be that so whether the engine is running or not it will be break.

Here is the definition of break from the regulations,

‘break’ means any period during which a driver may not
carry out any driving or any other work and which is
used exclusively for recuperation

No mention of the engine at all and if it doesn’t mention it then it doesn’t apply. :stuck_out_tongue:

There is a different interpretation of driving for the tacho rules and other legislation, such as The Road Traffic Act, and as break is part of the tacho rules that is the definition you go by.

I never said it would be recorded as driving time when the engine is running, i said it cannot legally be classed as a break because you would still be in control of the truck, and while you are in control of the truck it is not your own free time, we all know what we all do to suit ourselves from time to time.

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balou01257:
I never said it would be recorded as driving time when the engine is running, i said it cannot legally be classed as a break because you would still be in control of the truck, and while you are in control of the truck it is not your own free time, we all know what we all do to suit ourselves from time to time.

And that was the bit I was referring to as bullcrap. First of all you don’t have to be free to dispose of your time as you wish for break, for rest yes but not for break, so your argument falls down there. Secondly, as I posted above, break is defined as a period when you do not drive or undertake any other work and use the time for recuperation. The time won’t be recorded as driving as the wheels aren’t turning so you are not driving, you aren’t doing any other work so that leaves break.

There is no mention in the requirements of a break for the EU Driver’s Hours Rules about being in charge of a vehicle and if it’s not in there it doesn’t apply. You are making the mistake many people make when dealing with the tacho regs by adding bits in that aren’t there and reaching incorrect conclusions. In your case it is taking one of the requirements for rest and applying it to break.

Definition of break

‘break’ means any period during which a driver may not
carry out any driving or any other work and which is
used exclusively for recuperation;

Definition of rest

‘rest’ means any uninterrupted period during which a
driver may freely dispose of his time;

The free to dispose of your time thing is only mentioned for one of those two things.

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Thank you coffee clear and concise as as usual ,