Grandpa:
I know how to write academically and I know where to publish for maximum impact. Later on and time permitting, I might just write a paper on all this detailing the lies, scams and the middle management bureaucracy barrier between the application and job. Naming names and dispelling the myth behind why there are so many unfilled vacancies in the transport sector.
OMW to the store for popcorn.
OMW to the store for popcorn.
You’ll die of obesity waiting. It’s just a thought for later on. 
sammym:
Tesco pay £13.50 an hour on staffline for agency driving as a Ltd company. And there was no overtime rate. So if you did a 15 hour shift (and they love to get you to do those) then you won’t get any sort of premium.For that you’d be expected to keep a top score on fleetboard, unload the trailer, load the empties and waste, then tip the empties and waste yourself back at depot. You’d also be expected to drive class 2, shunt/move stuff around when the office wants etc. You are also expected to call and ask permission if you need to use POA. Management scald you if you dare to take your breaks between runs and get something to eat - they will literally ask why you are not working.
So for £1/hour more than you are being offered Ltd - rather than a run up to Scotland you can blast around doing local store deliveries with all the associated hassle. Not saying that wage is acceptable (as it isn’t) I’m just saying why they might think they can get drivers for that.
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It’s not how much money you get paid per hour.It’s how much and what type of work you have to do to earn it. 
Carryfast:
It’s not how much money you get paid per hour.It’s how much and what type of work you have to do to earn it.
Course it’s about how much money you get paid per hour!
If it’s crap to begin with, WHY would anyone want to work longer to get the equivalent of a decent hourly rate, don’t care what type of work it is!
NOBODY comes to work for the fun of it, we have bills etc to pay so would want a decent wage for as little time at work as possible, not the other way round as your proposing
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dcgpx:
Carryfast:
It’s not how much money you get paid per hour.It’s how much and what type of work you have to do to earn it.Course it’s about how much money you get paid per hour!
If it’s crap to begin with, WHY would anyone want to work longer to get the equivalent of a decent hourly rate, don’t care what type of work it is!
NOBODY comes to work for the fun of it, we have bills etc to pay so would want a decent wage for as little time at work as possible, not the other way round as your proposing
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Personally I balance earning with happiness.
I earned big money at Sainsburys. Top hourly rate with a decent overtime rate as well. I did night and every weekend to top my money. I did it for a couple of months. The money was over a grand a week doing long shifts and doing all the premium shifts. At the end I was physically broken.
Right now I’d rather earn a bit less per hour and have a better work-life balance. Start at 6am. With no stress and no hassle. Each to their own. I still earn enough to pay my bills and save. Each to their own I suppose.
dcgpx:
Carryfast:
It’s not how much money you get paid per hour.It’s how much and what type of work you have to do to earn it.Course it’s about how much money you get paid per hour!
If it’s crap to begin with, WHY would anyone want to work longer to get the equivalent of a decent hourly rate, don’t care what type of work it is!
NOBODY comes to work for the fun of it, we have bills etc to pay so would want a decent wage for as little time at work as possible, not the other way round as your proposing
Great feel free to take a van driving job doing 15 drops per hour at 75p per drop.There are plenty of them out there.If you want to double that amount of drops done in an hour you can obviously also double that hourly rate. 
I used to do a bit of RDC trunking with Tesco’s, box and fridge, no stores. Stores are where they have you doing all the work and it looks like they’ve really cracked down now. Bring in the Eastern Europeans and if they do it everyone else had to fall in line. No o/t, driver/labourer and pay someone to do your taxes. I wonder how long it will take for it to all fall apart.
Sammy says Tesco pay 13.25 Ltd and the company I’m referring to pay 12.50 umbrella. When I went to Hermes I spoke to several agency drivers, all from different agencies and we were all being offered different rates. Not by that much, maybe a pound give or take, but it’s the agency that sets the rate, not the end –user.
Before he offered the 10.25 he was trying to sell me his umbrella scheme. You know, the usual you can save hundreds of pounds a week pitch. He explained that the higher rate was to pay the umbrella commission, sick pay and holiday pay. I said OK, having paid all that I’m back to PAYE rate. Now tell me about the hundreds of pounds I can save and he just changed the subject. He didn’t give me the umbrella company name, he called it something else and when I googled it I couldn’t find it, so it might be an in-house thing they do.
I like the idea GasGas suggested, write to the end-user company and explain. The 10.25 company is a major distribution outfit and I doubt they know or even care what their agency workers are being paid, but they will care why they can’t get them and have such a high turnover rate. It’s what I’ll do tomorrow morning.
Carryfast:
dcgpx:
Carryfast:
It’s not how much money you get paid per hour.It’s how much and what type of work you have to do to earn it.Course it’s about how much money you get paid per hour!
If it’s crap to begin with, WHY would anyone want to work longer to get the equivalent of a decent hourly rate, don’t care what type of work it is!
NOBODY comes to work for the fun of it, we have bills etc to pay so would want a decent wage for as little time at work as possible, not the other way round as your proposing
Great feel free to take a van driving job doing 15 drops per hour at 75p per drop. There are plenty of them out there. If you want to double that amount of drops done in an hour you can obviously also double that hourly rate.
I need special order prescription dog food for one of my dogs and it gets delivered by DPD. I have the dpd app on my phone and I’ve had notifications that say things like “Your delivery driver is on delivery number 5, you are delivery 173”
■■■■ that for a game of toy soldiers. They can offer £30 an hour for that job and I still wouldn’t touch it. That must be soul-destroying
Theres a lot more to a job than how much it pays per hour and not wanting to burst out crying when you see your delivery manifest is a pretty big necessity for me
The-Snowman:
Carryfast:
Great feel free to take a van driving job doing 15 drops per hour at 75p per drop. There are plenty of them out there. If you want to double that amount of drops done in an hour you can obviously also double that hourly rate.I need special order prescription dog food for one of my dogs and it gets delivered by DPD. I have the dpd app on my phone and I’ve had notifications that say things like “Your delivery driver is on delivery number 5, you are delivery 173”
[zb] that for a game of toy soldiers. They can offer £30 an hour for that job and I still wouldn’t touch it. That must be soul-destroying
Theres a lot more to a job than how much it pays per hour and not wanting to burst out crying when you see the delivery manifest is a pretty big necessity for me
Hence a lower hourly rate for class 1 trunking,or possibly even tramping or class 2 distance bulk deliveries,than driving a < 3.5 tonne van. 
Picture the Hermes,Yodel etc etc van driver advert why drive a truck to Scotland 3 x per week for £10 per hour when you could earn £14 per hour x 5 - 6 days driving a van. 
Carryfast:
Great feel free to take a van driving job doing 15 drops per hour at 75p per drop.There are plenty of them out there.If you want to double that amount of drops done in an hour you can obviously also double that hourly rate.
That’s my point - why work like a dog to get an decent hourly rate rather then find a job that has a decent rate to begin with
That why parcel jobs are total crap - this price per parcel is why the drivers fly all over place trying to get as much done and carnage usually ensues
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Update.
I had to laugh. The agency is now advertising the job online, but only as an umbrella job as they can’t get anyone at the PAYE rate they’re offering.
The job is a straight motorway trunk of around 8/9 hours. No PoA as you’ll have a time slot and little ‘other work’, so around 10 hours a night. As an umbrella you’d take home around £400 a week. You’d have to make up your wage with a times three £75 night out allowance with a reduced weekly rest period and times two at £50 the following week. On week two you’d do the final fifth night store deliveries and ‘handball may be required.’ However you look at it, you won’t reach £100 a night shift take home. Not a physically tiring job, but I suspect you’d be mentally exhausted.
Here’s a handy little online calculator I’ve mentioned elsewhere that will give you the take home pay between PAYE and Umbrella.
http://iknowtax.com/umbrella-calculator/
Grandpa:
Update.
On week two you’d do the final fifth night store deliveries and ‘handball may be required.’
I’d suggest that’s the problem not the wage rate. .
dcgpx:
Carryfast:
Great feel free to take a van driving job doing 15 drops per hour at 75p per drop.There are plenty of them out there.If you want to double that amount of drops done in an hour you can obviously also double that hourly rate.That’s my point - why work like a dog to get an decent hourly rate rather then find a job that has a decent rate to begin with
That why parcel jobs are total crap - this price per parcel is why the drivers fly all over place trying to get as much done and carnage usually ensues
As I said the hourly rate is irrelevant in that case and generally employers know it.
IE lower hourly rate but much easier job like 4 hour run each way and a trailer swap ?.
Or a higher hourly rate but involving more work,including unloading/loading/handball etc etc,to be done in an hour ?.
I’m on with a company near me via agency. £11 a hour on a weekday and £180 a shift on a weekend so I do Friday through to Tuesday on nights. Its not great money but its so easy. Its fridge work so all I have to do is pick up the loaded fridge, drive to a Tesco RDC and put it on a bay. Wait in the waiting room then drive it back. Fuel fridge and tractor unit up then I’m done.
