No but…
They are inevitable. Insurance companies will insist on them and premiums will reflect that.
It will make a few ‘celebrity drivers’ who end up going viral on social media with quotes like ‘whadya want a photograph of a clear roundabout!’…‘JEEZUS IT’S ■■■■■■■ CLEAR’…‘AAAAARGHHH’…‘another Friday and I’m screwed’ and ‘ooops you weren’t sposed to see me doing that’.
Give it another few years after they’ve become mandatory and they’ll have you doing this at every sign and hazard : youtube.com/watch?v=Av_Kkh3mp4E. All in the name of Health & Safety, naturally.
Rob K:
Give it another few years after they’ve become mandatory and they’ll have you doing this at every sign and hazard : youtube.com/watch?v=Av_Kkh3mp4E. All in the name of Health & Safety, naturally.
And then get done for not having both hands on the wheel at all times 
Neutral.In England thousand or million warehouse staff,factory,stores staff work under Cctv ready long time.It is no different camera 100 metre from me or 1 metre or foot.Present camera technology allow see from 200 yard what cigarette brand people smoke.
Reef:
Rob K:
Give it another few years after they’ve become mandatory and they’ll have you doing this at every sign and hazard : youtube.com/watch?v=Av_Kkh3mp4E. All in the name of Health & Safety, naturally.And then get done for not having both hands on the wheel at all times
Probably have to shout it out:
“CHANGE OF SPEED LIMIT TO 30MPH”
“CLEARWAY FOR NEXT 14 MILES”
“13FT BRIDGE (unless you’re Stobarts)”
ezydriver:
Reef:
And here’s me trying to work out if there’s a difference between a regular ‘driver facing camera’ and a driver-facing-facing one.
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ezydriver:
Reef:
Rob K:
Give it another few years after they’ve become mandatory and they’ll have you doing this at every sign and hazard : youtube.com/watch?v=Av_Kkh3mp4E. All in the name of Health & Safety, naturally.And then get done for not having both hands on the wheel at all times
Probably have to shout it out:
“CHANGE OF SPEED LIMIT TO 30MPH”
“CLEARWAY FOR NEXT 14 MILES”
“13FT BRIDGE (unless you’re Stobarts)”
yourhavingalarf:
No but…They are inevitable. Insurance companies will insist on them and premiums will reflect that.
I disagree, there is nothing inevitable about the poxy things, if a company find their best resource (their reliable core staff) really and opnely prepared to leave and unreliable wasters (invariably the ones who leave a trail of destruction in their wake) as potential replacements, there will be a very swift rethink, i have seen this happen myself and one of my ex colleagues works at a place where they suddenly found the things fitted over one weekend, they successfully fought back (proper union in place, unanimous backing of the members) and those driver facing cameras were all removed pronto.
If drivers want to accept yet another dry run up their arses then so be it, and nothing wrong with that if that’s all the pride they have in their class and work, but just because lots of people are too scared to say bloody no any more, doesn’t mean that those prepared to stand up and mean no when they say it can’t win, they can.
Lorry operators just like any labour intensive workplace are only successful if they have a core of decent staff and deep down they know it, despite what jumped up greasy pole climbers might insinuate the owners/bods behind the expensive desks won’t sit by and watch their companies go to the dogs due to these in your face cameras, when the staff who can be relied on 110% vote unanimously for industrial action, and make it plain if they lose (and the cameras go in) they’ll be leaving anyway, well put it this way those at the board table won’t let it get to that stage.
It takes a bit of guts though, and this is where having a well supported union and regional office back up makes all the difference, because all of a sudden it isn’t the company versus one or two stubborn drivers (who they could risk losing and make an example of to quell the rebellion), its the whole workforce with strength via united numbers versus the manager or two who dreamed this wheeze up.
I know i keep going on about Unions, and Robroy has correctly told me before i’m ■■■■■■■ in the wind because so many have ben brainwashed to be anti (plus there are vested interest posters here who don’t want to see drivers prepared to say no again), but via the union you aint alone no more, think about it.
I hear what…
You’re saying Juddian and I recently commented here on a thread in favour of unions. We had none of this ‘do it or else’ shenanigans when I could go to my TGWU rep and get it kicked into the long grass. I’ve walked off many sites because some jumped up H&S monkey has insisted I do the job wearing Hello Kitty hi-vis undercrackers and I will continue to do so if I feel someone is taking the mickey.
I have just recently landed a new gig. It’s reasonably local, good kit, an absolute doddle of a job (out loaded, unloaded for you on your own sites and always back empty) as well as a substantial increase in my hourly rate. This company already have one or two vehicles with cameras in them. My guess is the whole fleet will eventually go that way too.
I’m not turning down good work and good money because someone insists in sticking a camera in their own truck.
In the same way that auto boxes have become the norm and fleets have to spec manual boxes if they want them, almost all of us have air suspension, cruise control, ABS systems and A/C, cameras in the cab pointing at the driver whilst he chats to his booky on his hands free phone are in my opinion inevitable.
albion:
Franglais:
switchlogic:
No thanks, and working for a small operator these days means it won’t be an issue for foreseeable unless insurance companies force itI think it’s purely financial isn’t it? Surely we don’t believe companies install and maintain cameras for the fun of watching us? (Some out there might(no names!))
So it’s the cost difference charged by insurance companies you’d agree? They force in cameras through price difference.
I don’t know how much companies reckon on saving by having these inward cameras?
Neither do I know how much they would loose by having a fleet stood for a single day?
I would guess that any union looking at the problem would be in a strong bargaining position.Sent from my GT-S7275R using Tapatalk
On the other thread, I’d said that there was no difference in Insurance costs for trackers and pigpen chimed in that he had asked only a few weeks ago, and the answer from the Insurers was, nope, doesn’t affect the premium.
Cost of standing a unit - that really depends on how you run your fleet - it can be often done at weekends when a truck isn’t moving, or if it’s running 24/7, it’s probably only a couple of hours to wire one in.
I did read and take notice of your previous post. Honest !
I was figuring that with your more specialist work there would be, as you said, more notice taken of your history. I figured your example was non typical.
If there is no cost benefits to having inward cameras why are the bigger companies going for them, after all?
The installation and maintenance involves cost, or is it really some silly management fashion?
Maybe I’m showing my naivety regards big hauliers?
My boss (not a big company) is there to hear drivers every day. Mostly he ignores our whinging but if we comment he’s wasting money, he becomes VERY attentive!
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Did some fill in work last year for a company that had them fitted, they where just above the dash in the centre of the windscreen, bugger if I kept on forgetting and I left my hat in front of the camera by mistake. I put it down to my age, getting forgetful
So here we have it. The poll has run its course, and from the 154 people polled, a whopping 94% said no. Ninety four percent!
If we take that as representative of lorry drivers generally, it’s probably safe to assume 90%+ do not want these cameras.
Imagine if 90% of drivers who have inward facing cameras could be persuaded to down tools until every last camera is taken out - all the cameras would be out by the end of the 1st or 2nd day.
How on earth do so few have so much power over the majority? That majority hold all the power!
Franglais:
albion:
Franglais:
switchlogic:
No thanks, and working for a small operator these days means it won’t be an issue for foreseeable unless insurance companies force itI think it’s purely financial isn’t it? Surely we don’t believe companies install and maintain cameras for the fun of watching us? (Some out there might(no names!))
So it’s the cost difference charged by insurance companies you’d agree? They force in cameras through price difference.
I don’t know how much companies reckon on saving by having these inward cameras?
Neither do I know how much they would loose by having a fleet stood for a single day?
I would guess that any union looking at the problem would be in a strong bargaining position.Sent from my GT-S7275R using Tapatalk
On the other thread, I’d said that there was no difference in Insurance costs for trackers and pigpen chimed in that he had asked only a few weeks ago, and the answer from the Insurers was, nope, doesn’t affect the premium.
Cost of standing a unit - that really depends on how you run your fleet - it can be often done at weekends when a truck isn’t moving, or if it’s running 24/7, it’s probably only a couple of hours to wire one in.
I did read and take notice of your previous post. Honest !
I was figuring that with your more specialist work there would be, as you said, more notice taken of your history. I figured your example was non typical.
If there is no cost benefits to having inward cameras why are the bigger companies going for them, after all?
The installation and maintenance involves cost, or is it really some silly management fashion?Maybe I’m showing my naivety regards big hauliers?
My boss (not a big company) is there to hear drivers every day. Mostly he ignores our whinging but if we comment he’s wasting money, he becomes VERY attentive!Sent from my GT-S7275R using Tapatalk
Sorry franglais I missed your post.
Cost of I.stallation and maintenance is buttons in the big scheme of things. I suspect that the appeal is down to the ‘need’ to monitor constantly, that the big firms seem to have.
Imagine you run a big firm, Franglais Int has 500 trucks painted green that seem to be cursed with a desire to hit bridges. Now you have your fancy telematics that some monkey uses to spew forth reams of mostly pointless data, but that data only tells you one thing, the driver didn’t slow down leading up to impact. So what is it? Some bright spark will say, inward facing cameras! Nothing else you can add into the mix, so off you go and get them all. Will answer some bridge strikes, driver gawping at young girl in a mini skirt, sending a text, the other half, they still don’t know why.
ezydriver:
So here we have it. The poll has run its course, and from the 154 people polled, a whopping 94% said no. Ninety four percent!If we take that as representative of lorry drivers generally, it’s probably safe to assume 90%+ do not want these cameras.
Imagine if 90% of drivers who have inward facing cameras could be persuaded to down tools until every last camera is taken out - all the cameras would be out by the end of the 1st or 2nd day.
How on earth do so few have so much power over the majority? That majority hold all the power!
Employers.
Cherry pick people who actually give a toss in the first place take a pride in their work and have a decent work ethic, then give them good terms and conditions so the job is worth getting and protecting, encourage them instead of brow beat bully or trick them, treat them with due respect (when they’ve earned it, because they won’t respect you back until you earn it), and you won’t need all this monitoring ■■■■■■■■.
because
Drivers.
If you make yourselves the cherries, by doing the job well carefully economically, reliable, good with customers, look after your kit and take a pride in your work, and most importantly don’t take the ■■■■ eg regular sick notes, then you have that power, because employers worth working for (and yes i know there are many who are not) will do their level best to stop you leaving, but more’s the point YOU make the camera redundant.
If you do the opposite, the bare minimum work, don’t give a toss about the customer, stupid needless damage to equipment, negligent accidents bridge strikes etc, take the ■■■■ out of the sick pay by regularly treating it as extra holidays or a get out when the journey doesn’t suit or cos too much booze at the weekend, then you make yourself no loss to the company if you go, you can be replaced in an instant by any other couldn’t give a monkey’s ■■■■ taking clone who happens to pass by, but more’s the point you’re more likely to get in cab cameras because you can’t be trusted to do the job proper like.
Nope… How would they like it in the office if I had a camera in their face all day watching them
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Over my dead [zb]oody body, mate!
Nope defo don’t want one I would leave if my boss got them but then I work for a small company doubt he would
Unless I can watch him undress every night etc as I am away al week so live in the cab or he could pay for hotel for me
Andrejs:
Neutral.In England thousand or million warehouse staff,factory,stores staff work under Cctv ready long time.It is no different camera 100 metre from me or 1 metre or foot.Present camera technology allow see from 200 yard what cigarette brand people smoke.
The difference is that warehouse and office cams don’t follow the workers home to their bedrooms.
DaveyCrocket:
Andrejs:
Neutral.In England thousand or million warehouse staff,factory,stores staff work under Cctv ready long time.It is no different camera 100 metre from me or 1 metre or foot.Present camera technology allow see from 200 yard what cigarette brand people smoke.The difference is that warehouse and office cams don’t follow the workers home to their bedrooms.
I worked for turners who had them. When you turned off the ignition they timed off after an hour I think it was.
If the ignition was off you could turn them off manually without waiting so the I’m getting changed on camera doesn’t apply.
The wrong question was asked though, I don’t want one, they were my first job so wasn’t fussy. However I and others have said that if the rest of the t and c are good I wouldn’t leave the job over it. If some would thats your choice and I won’t tell you to stay if you don’t want but with a mortgage to pay I’m not walking away from an otherwise good job over a camera
Reef:
ezydriver:
Reef:
Rob K:
Give it another few years after they’ve become mandatory and they’ll have you doing this at every sign and hazard : youtube.com/watch?v=Av_Kkh3mp4E. All in the name of Health & Safety, naturally.And then get done for not having both hands on the wheel at all times
Probably have to shout it out:
“CHANGE OF SPEED LIMIT TO 30MPH”
“CLEARWAY FOR NEXT 14 MILES”
“13FT BRIDGE (unless you’re Stobarts)”
Wait what? They have sound as well? Oh man, that changes everything! Imagine to fun you could have!
Driving along, straight, level, no traffic, let out an ear splitting scream that lasts as long as your lungs could manage. 10 seconds, I´m guessing
Bloke on the other end jumps out of his chair, ■■■■■ himself, and joins in with the screaming. Oh man, this is GREAT!
When they call you into the office, and they will, simply say “I was letting off stress and tension in the recommended way.”
