The Sarge:
NOT the police’s fault at all.
It’s always the police’s fault.
Thankyou.
As the hard shoulder is for emergencies only,does this mean mr plod can make his own rules up or shall we proceed to the next services or exit whichever is nearest 
Mr Whatley was later found guilty of not wearing a seatbelt, failing to stop for a police officer and having tinted car windows that did not conform to legal requirements.
Robert Whatley appeared before Caerphilly magistrates after the pursuit
He also admitted having a registration plate which did not adhere to regulations and was fined a total of £235 and ordered to pay £300 towards prosecution costs by Caerphilly magistrates.However, the court cleared Mr Whatley of failing to stop after an accident.
I am a bit confused. One minute he is getting over £20,000 in damages, and then he is getting done for the above offences. So the above offences gave the officers a reason to pull the vehicle over. Then the male refused to stop for police and got followed for 17 minutes. All i can say is that i bet the officers thought that the vehicle ‘maybe’ stolen at the time they smashed the windows, which is used to shock the driver, to gain control of the incident.
I am not defending them in anyway as i wasn’t there at the incident so i don’t no the full facts, but must say, the driver does half look smug about it 
mickyblue:
You can’t tar the all forces with the same brush because of one officer, not all officers are ‘stupid and single minded’. Either way it’s your opinon and your free to say what you please.
I seen about three in the video, at least two of them knew he was an old bloke? Straight in to smash his window? Legal thuggery in my view. There’s lots of examples of Police stupidity unfortunatley. Of course not all are stupid and single minded, just a lot of them !! 
Mike-C:
mickyblue:
You can’t tar the all forces with the same brush because of one officer, not all officers are ‘stupid and single minded’. Either way it’s your opinon and your free to say what you please.I seen about three in the video, at least two of them knew he was an old bloke? Straight in to smash his window? Legal thuggery in my view. There’s lots of examples of Police stupidity unfortunatley. Of course not all are stupid and single minded, just a lot of them !!
So an old bloke couldn’t be using the vehicle without permission, couldn’t be ■■■■■■■ couldn’t be drugged up, couldn’t not have a licence etc…
Refuse to stop or drive off from the police and you’re asking for strong arm tactics in my opinion. I 100% back the police in that video and the guy should NEVER have got compensation.
Part of the agreement of your driving licence it to obey the laws of the road, 1 of these is to stop when instructed to do so by the authorities and obey any instructions they give you.
Might have to try his tactics next time I get pulled though, could sure use 20 grand about now
Maybe he didn’t realise they were stopping him. How often do you think an old boy is pulled over when going about he daily business?
They paid for a reason - they knew they were in the wrong.
If the police insisted on stopping someone on he hard shoulder they should talk to the person outside of all vehicles since people are told to never stay in a car on the hard shoulder, why should they sit in a police car listening to the ■■■■ that comes from coppers?
waynedl:
Mike-C:
mickyblue:
You can’t tar the all forces with the same brush because of one officer, not all officers are ‘stupid and single minded’. Either way it’s your opinon and your free to say what you please.I seen about three in the video, at least two of them knew he was an old bloke? Straight in to smash his window? Legal thuggery in my view. There’s lots of examples of Police stupidity unfortunatley. Of course not all are stupid and single minded, just a lot of them !!
So an old bloke couldn’t be using the vehicle without permission, couldn’t be ■■■■■■■ couldn’t be drugged up, couldn’t not have a licence etc…
Refuse to stop or drive off from the police and you’re asking for strong arm tactics in my opinion. I 100% back the police in that video and the guy should NEVER have got compensation.
Part of the agreement of your driving licence it to obey the laws of the road, 1 of these is to stop when instructed to do so by the authorities and obey any instructions they give you.
Might have to try his tactics next time I get pulled though, could sure use 20 grand about now
Are you going to share that £20,000
mickyblue:
waynedl:
Mike-C:
mickyblue:
You can’t tar the all forces with the same brush because of one officer, not all officers are ‘stupid and single minded’. Either way it’s your opinon and your free to say what you please.I seen about three in the video, at least two of them knew he was an old bloke? Straight in to smash his window? Legal thuggery in my view. There’s lots of examples of Police stupidity unfortunatley. Of course not all are stupid and single minded, just a lot of them !!
So an old bloke couldn’t be using the vehicle without permission, couldn’t be ■■■■■■■ couldn’t be drugged up, couldn’t not have a licence etc…
Refuse to stop or drive off from the police and you’re asking for strong arm tactics in my opinion. I 100% back the police in that video and the guy should NEVER have got compensation.
Part of the agreement of your driving licence it to obey the laws of the road, 1 of these is to stop when instructed to do so by the authorities and obey any instructions they give you.
Might have to try his tactics next time I get pulled though, could sure use 20 grand about now
Are you going to share that £20,000
you have a pm
only kidding, I would never contemplate doing something so immoral or potentially illegal. 
mrx:
Maybe he didn’t realise they were stopping him.
for 17 minutes he didn’t see or hear the racket the car behind was making?
You know what old boys are like, mate
Error!
mickyblue:
Mr Whatley was later found guilty of not wearing a seatbelt, failing to stop for a police officer and having tinted car windows that did not conform to legal requirements.
Robert Whatley appeared before Caerphilly magistrates after the pursuit
He also admitted having a registration plate which did not adhere to regulations and was fined a total of £235 and ordered to pay £300 towards prosecution costs by Caerphilly magistrates.However, the court cleared Mr Whatley of failing to stop after an accident.
I am a bit confused. One minute he is getting over £20,000 in damages, and then he is getting done for the above offences. So the above offences gave the officers a reason to pull the vehicle over.
The way I’ve read it on other sites, he was initially stopped for not wearing a seatbelt and drove off as the police were issuing a fixed penalty notice, whilst driving off he got too close to one of the coppers hence the failing to stop after an accident charge which he was cleared of.
I assume the other offences were discovered after the incident and used to fill the sheet.
They were issuing a fixed penalty for not wearing a seatbelt so they would have known what they were dealing with.
The copper who who used the stinger was part of the armed response team, I think it was lucky that the one in the hi-viz wasn’t in possession of a firearm, given his seemingly irrational behaviour the outcome could have been much worse 
There’s no getting away from the fact that the car driver should not have driven off or if he misunderstood what was happening he should have stopped earlier, but the response by the police was out of all proportion to the situation.
tachograph:
mickyblue:
Mr Whatley was later found guilty of not wearing a seatbelt, failing to stop for a police officer and having tinted car windows that did not conform to legal requirements.
Robert Whatley appeared before Caerphilly magistrates after the pursuit
He also admitted having a registration plate which did not adhere to regulations and was fined a total of £235 and ordered to pay £300 towards prosecution costs by Caerphilly magistrates.However, the court cleared Mr Whatley of failing to stop after an accident.
I am a bit confused. One minute he is getting over £20,000 in damages, and then he is getting done for the above offences. So the above offences gave the officers a reason to pull the vehicle over.
The way I’ve read it on other sites, he was initially stopped for not wearing a seatbelt and drove off as the police were issuing a fixed penalty notice, whilst driving off he got too close to one of the coppers hence the failing to stop after an accident charge which he was cleared of.
I assume the other offences were discovered after the incident and used to fill the sheet.
They were issuing a fixed penalty for not wearing a seatbelt so they would have known what they were dealing with.
The copper who who used the stinger was part of the armed response team, I think it was lucky that the one in the hi-viz wasn’t in possession of a firearm, given his seemingly irrational behaviour the outcome could have been much worse
There’s no getting away from the fact that the car driver should not have driven off or if he misunderstood what was happening he should have stopped earlier, but the response by the police was out of all proportion to the situation.
Or they could’ve pulled him over, said “we’re going to issue you a ticket for driving without a seatbelt, what’s your name please?” and he drove off…
So, they still don’t know who he is (other than what he looks like), whether he’s drunk or on drugs, whether he has any rights to be behind the wheel of that car, if he’s running away because he’s just robbed a bank etc etc etc…
I don’t quite understand what the copper on the bonnet was hoping to achieve tbh, maybe part of the shock tactics??
But, everything else, including the stinger and the broken window and him being ‘dragged out of his car’ were perfectly ok to me in that situation.
As I said before, the guy’s a ■■■■ and deserved to have his licence revoked on the grounds of not complying with the rules of the road (agreement to which you get a licence) ie failing to stop when instructed, failing to follow the instructions (reasonable) of a uniformed police officer and generally being an arrogant old fat ■■■■■
He definately should NOT have got given £20k tax free for ‘PTSD’ ■■?
orys:
This topic made me smile. I raised the concern about stopping on the hard shoulders some time ago here, and everyone jumped at me with traditional anti-Polish rant, to cut the long story short, yous don’t care that no other countries do that, British do it, and this is good way to do it because its British.And now it seems that I was right and it it actually dangerous
Anti-Polish ? What have our eastern european cousins got to do with this ? All i’ve read is everyone for or against the police.
As for the old bloke, i’d hardly call that a beating. Good job he wasn’t an illegal immigrant from south America otherwise he’d have been shot and killed 
Slope:
Anti-Polish ? What have our eastern european cousins got to do with this ?
My point was that when I commented that stopping on hard shoulder is dangerous, noone discussed the fact, but it was “who are you to critic the great British way of stopping cars on the motorway”. Then when someone else pointed out the same, there was genuine discussion (which drifted to the topic of the Range Rover pursuit).
bigvern1:
I bet someone is reading this…And it’s killing them not to respond. TY.
I bet you too and I will bet there is pot noddle all over a certain persons key board , That reminds me that ■■■■
key board I brought off you I posted back registered post and I see you have signed for it so where the ■■■■ is
my refund.
Thankyou.
Get bent…Sold as seen. Thank you.
bigvern1:
Get bent…Sold as seen. Thank you.
Brilliant ya bumder , I am reporting you to the powers to be .
Hope this is of some help.
Pat Hasler:
There was an incident a few months back here where a DOT cop tried to stop me on I-91 in CT and I kept going to a rest area 3 miles down the road, he asked me why I refused to stop and I explained that I didn’t consider it safe, he thought about it and agree’d.
many years ago I had a similar experience, running unit only out of are yard on a Sunday evening, onway to Norwich to hook up trailer. whislt making good progress a motorbike cop got bahind me(winter time so it was dark), he waps on the blues and wants me to pull over there and then, I flicks me indicators to acknolegde him, to which he shot round me and and stopped me. This was on the side of a main B road, he comes over and bellows at me “i wanted you to stop, not to pass you”,I say “yeah I knew that but there’s a layby about half a mile up the road” he replies" oh right you follow me there then". so i pull in behind him and in the few minutes it took him to get there he’d calmed right down. we ended up having a joint moan about working Sunday, and he basicaly said take it steady til all the sunday drivers were out the way, and let me go on my way 
its all down to how you treat them, with most anyway
orys:
Slope:
Anti-Polish ? What have our eastern european cousins got to do with this ?
My point was that when I commented that stopping on hard shoulder is dangerous, noone discussed the fact, but it was “who are you to critic the great British way of stopping cars on the motorway”. Then when someone else pointed out the same, there was genuine discussion (which drifted to the topic of the Range Rover pursuit).
Didn’t see that bit 
. Was more intrigued by everyone’s comments on how lawless our police are.