Yeah it was just put in for fun that POA function. Just because you’ve never used it doesn’t mean it’s the right and professional way. Your print outs would look unreal.
Any ideas about the ITS and VDO functions ?
I’m out.
MoffetWizard:
Yeah it was just put in for fun that POA function. Just because you’ve never used it doesn’t mean it’s the right and professional way. Your print outs would look unreal.
Go on then I’ll bite, why is using POA more “right and professional” than using break (if that’s what you mean) and why would your printouts look ridiculous ?
Drive 2hrs rest 15… 2hrs poa. (Resets drive time which I thought not right) drive 2hrs rest 30 (doesnt reset drive time) drive 4hrs gets infringement. Slung out of window obviously as drive time should of reset as poa shouldn’t be resetting drive time
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mark1284:
Drive 2hrs rest 15… 2hrs poa. (Resets drive time which I thought not right) drive 2hrs rest 30 (doesnt reset drive time) drive 4hrs gets infringement. Slung out of window obviously as drive time should of reset as poa shouldn’t be resetting drive timeSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Printout or it never happened.
If you drove for 2 hrs, then 15 mins Break, 2 hrs POA, 2 hrs Drive, 30 mins Break, 4 hrs drive you should not get an infringement.
Roymondo:
mark1284:
Drive 2hrs rest 15… 2hrs poa. (Resets drive time which I thought not right) drive 2hrs rest 30 (doesnt reset drive time) drive 4hrs gets infringement. Slung out of window obviously as drive time should of reset as poa shouldn’t be resetting drive timeSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Printout or it never happened.
If you drove for 2 hrs, then 15 mins Break, 2 hrs POA, 2 hrs Drive, 30 mins Break, 4 hrs drive you should not get an infringement.
A printout wouldn’t tell you if you got an infringement. Just whether he did what he said.
MoffetWizard:
Yeah it was just put in for fun that POA function. Just because you’ve never used it doesn’t mean it’s the right and professional way. Your print outs would look unreal.Any ideas about the ITS and VDO functions ?
It’s a tool for drivers who have all recorded breaks deducted to get paid whilst waiting around while not racking up wtd working time unnecessarily
You are not more professional at all by using poa over break. It shows a lack of understanding to think it is, so less professional?
Poa only effects the wtd side of things.
For the wtd only driving and other work count as working time, break and poa don’t.
In a fixed week your working time can be a max of 60 but can’t average more than 48 at the end of the reference period.
You then have the wtd breaks, you can’t work more than 6 hours at any point without a 15 and must show 30 or 45 in total depending on the total working time in a shift.
Break and poa don’t count towards all the work / working time mentioned above.
There’s 2 reasons to use poa.
1
If you’re paid off the tacho and have all recorded breaks deducted and whilst you want to keep your wtd working time down. Obviously you need your minimum breaks, but any other waiting time bang it on poa, technically you should be told or have experience of how long the wait will be before you can use it, but it’s uncheckable and no one is bothered.
2
If by taking too much break now would mess up your day and you want to keep your wtd working time down.
You’re 5 hours drive from the yard, you’ll be at a drop for an hour, but taking a 45 now will mean a 45 on the way back, take between 15-44 now will mean you’ll only need a 30 on the way back, so switch to poa after 15-44 mins.
Poa will wrongly reset the driving time on your tacho, so if you use it you need to get a pen and paper out to write your times down, for this reason I’d only ever use it if I really had too, if one of the 2 reasons doesn’t apply, just use break when waiting about
Roymondo:
mark1284:
Drive 2hrs rest 15… 2hrs poa. (Resets drive time which I thought not right) drive 2hrs rest 30 (doesnt reset drive time) drive 4hrs gets infringement. Slung out of window obviously as drive time should of reset as poa shouldn’t be resetting drive timeSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Printout or it never happened.
If you drove for 2 hrs, then 15 mins Break, 2 hrs POA, 2 hrs Drive, 30 mins Break, 4 hrs drive you should not get an infringement.
Poa reset my drive time. 6hrs drive with a 30 min break i think it was
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mark1284:
Roymondo:
mark1284:
Drive 2hrs rest 15… 2hrs poa. (Resets drive time which I thought not right) drive 2hrs rest 30 (doesnt reset drive time) drive 4hrs gets infringement. Slung out of window obviously as drive time should of reset as poa shouldn’t be resetting drive timeSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Printout or it never happened.
If you drove for 2 hrs, then 15 mins Break, 2 hrs POA, 2 hrs Drive, 30 mins Break, 4 hrs drive you should not get an infringement.
Poa reset my drive time. 6hrs drive with a 30 min break i think it was
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2 hours of POA would wrongly reset the driving time on your tachograph display but legally the driving time is not reset until you completed the 30 minute break so you would not get an infringement for these driving times and breaks.
The fact that POA will wrongly reset the driving time on the tachograph display does not alter the legal requirement for a 45 minute break before exceeding 4.5 hours driving time, in other words it’s what the law says that counts not what the tachograph display shows.
Edit: A situation where POA wrongly resetting the driving time on the tachograph display would get you an infringement.
You drive for 2 hours and then have 45 minutes on POA, because the tachograph display shows that the driving time has been reset you drive for another 3 hours, in reality you’ve now done 5 hours driving with no break so would get an infringement for insufficient break even though the tachograph display shows you still have another 2.5 hours driving before needing a break.
But… The first 45 minutes of any POA are assumed to be a break, and are counted as such… At least according to TachoMaster…
wakou:
But… The first 45 minutes of any POA are assumed to be a break, and are counted as such… At least according to TachoMaster…
That is only for multi manning
ROG:
wakou:
But… The first 45 minutes of any POA are assumed to be a break, and are counted as such… At least according to TachoMaster…That is only for multi manning
And even then the first 45 minutes of POA will only be counted as break for the second driver when he’s sat in the passenger seat of a moving vehicle so cannot change the activity mode on the tachograph.
stevieboy308:
MoffetWizard:
Yeah it was just put in for fun that POA function. Just because you’ve never used it doesn’t mean it’s the right and professional way. Your print outs would look unreal.Any ideas about the ITS and VDO functions ?
It’s a tool for drivers who have all recorded breaks deducted to get paid whilst waiting around while not racking up wtd working time unnecessarily
You are not more professional at all by using poa over break. It shows a lack of understanding to think it is, so less professional?
Poa only effects the wtd side of things.
For the wtd only driving and other work count as working time, break and poa don’t.
In a fixed week your working time can be a max of 60 but can’t average more than 48 at the end of the reference period.
You then have the wtd breaks, you can’t work more than 6 hours at any point without a 15 and must show 30 or 45 in total depending on the total working time in a shift.
Break and poa don’t count towards all the work / working time mentioned above.
There’s 2 reasons to use poa.
1
If you’re paid off the tacho and have all recorded breaks deducted and whilst you want to keep your wtd working time down. Obviously you need your minimum breaks, but any other waiting time bang it on poa, technically you should be told or have experience of how long the wait will be before you can use it, but it’s uncheckable and no one is bothered.2
If by taking too much break now would mess up your day and you want to keep your wtd working time down.You’re 5 hours drive from the yard, you’ll be at a drop for an hour, but taking a 45 now will mean a 45 on the way back, take between 15-44 now will mean you’ll only need a 30 on the way back, so switch to poa after 15-44 mins.
Poa will wrongly reset the driving time on your tacho, so if you use it you need to get a pen and paper out to write your times down, for this reason I’d only ever use it if I really had too, if one of the 2 reasons doesn’t apply, just use break when waiting about
You sound more like your trying to convince yourself than being objective.
You are telling me why You would use POA and not what the actual creation ans use of it is for! (the clue is in the name “Period of Availability”).
In your head and the rest you’ve convinced yourselves because it resets the drive time that you lot would rather not bother with it and you lot would be much safer just using break with much less hassle. I hear it a lot from only the older generation of truck drivers.
When I do a printout for myself to see my movements or my card is analysed by say TM or VOSA it is clearly stated day in day out down to a T at what points I have been driving - other work - resting and guess what else - available to work but not actually working! In the event of an incident - in court and the procecution or whoever sees that you just slap it on break at every opportunity would show a lack of understanding for the tachocard functions thus leading the jury which I could be on to the conclusion of a lack of understanding for when and how to use the tachocard and would summiase a unprofessional half assed driver to put it politely. To say its use is if I am on per hour or salary and get paid on breaks deducted as you’ve mentioned is what it was created for is nonsense.
So what if it resets the drive time wrongly. Do a print out and add the drive hours/minutes in your head - on the phone calculator or on paper and get on with it.
MoffetWizard:
So what if it resets the drive time wrongly. Do a print out and add the drive hours/minutes in your head - on the phone calculator or on paper and get on with it.
The idea is for the driver not to do the maths but to rely on the electronic info which gives warning if the driving time is about to be exceeded
The programmers really need to get the POA resetting the driving time sorted out
MoffetWizard:
stevieboy308:
MoffetWizard:
Yeah it was just put in for fun that POA function. Just because you’ve never used it doesn’t mean it’s the right and professional way. Your print outs would look unreal.Any ideas about the ITS and VDO functions ?
It’s a tool for drivers who have all recorded breaks deducted to get paid whilst waiting around while not racking up wtd working time unnecessarily
You are not more professional at all by using poa over break. It shows a lack of understanding to think it is, so less professional?
Poa only effects the wtd side of things.
For the wtd only driving and other work count as working time, break and poa don’t.
In a fixed week your working time can be a max of 60 but can’t average more than 48 at the end of the reference period.
You then have the wtd breaks, you can’t work more than 6 hours at any point without a 15 and must show 30 or 45 in total depending on the total working time in a shift.
Break and poa don’t count towards all the work / working time mentioned above.
There’s 2 reasons to use poa.
1
If you’re paid off the tacho and have all recorded breaks deducted and whilst you want to keep your wtd working time down. Obviously you need your minimum breaks, but any other waiting time bang it on poa, technically you should be told or have experience of how long the wait will be before you can use it, but it’s uncheckable and no one is bothered.2
If by taking too much break now would mess up your day and you want to keep your wtd working time down.You’re 5 hours drive from the yard, you’ll be at a drop for an hour, but taking a 45 now will mean a 45 on the way back, take between 15-44 now will mean you’ll only need a 30 on the way back, so switch to poa after 15-44 mins.
Poa will wrongly reset the driving time on your tacho, so if you use it you need to get a pen and paper out to write your times down, for this reason I’d only ever use it if I really had too, if one of the 2 reasons doesn’t apply, just use break when waiting about
You sound more like your trying to convince yourself than being objective.
You are telling me why You would use POA and not what the actual creation ans use of it is for! (the clue is in the name “Period of Availability”).
In your head and the rest you’ve convinced yourselves because it resets the drive time that you lot would rather not bother with it and you lot would be much safer just using break with much less hassle. I hear it a lot from only the older generation of truck drivers.
When I do a printout for myself to see my movements or my card is analysed by say TM or VOSA it is clearly stated day in day out down to a T at what points I have been driving - other work - resting and guess what else - available to work but not actually working! In the event of an incident - in court and the procecution or whoever sees that you just slap it on break at every opportunity would show a lack of understanding for the tachocard functions thus leading the jury which I could be on to the conclusion of a lack of understanding for when and how to use the tachocard and would summiase a unprofessional half assed driver to put it politely. To say its use is if I am on per hour or salary and get paid on breaks deducted as you’ve mentioned is what it was created for is nonsense.
So what if it resets the drive time wrongly. Do a print out and add the drive hours/minutes in your head - on the phone calculator or on paper and get on with it.
You come across as someone on POA eagerly pacing the waiting room like an expectant father, anticipating that red light to change to green.
Not someone relaxing on break, flicking through YouTube, tictok or Netflix, or even with their head down on the bunk…enjoying themselves.
ROG:
MoffetWizard:
So what if it resets the drive time wrongly. Do a print out and add the drive hours/minutes in your head - on the phone calculator or on paper and get on with it.The idea is for the driver not to do the maths but to rely on the electronic info which gives warning if the driving time is about to be exceeded
The programmers really need to get the POA resetting the driving time sorted out
Blimey Rog
I’ve lost enough braincells being a truck driver now you want me to loose more!!!
I think it would make sense for programmers to sort it out mate
stu675:
MoffetWizard:
stevieboy308:
MoffetWizard:
Yeah it was just put in for fun that POA function. Just because you’ve never used it doesn’t mean it’s the right and professional way. Your print outs would look unreal.Any ideas about the ITS and VDO functions ?
It’s a tool for drivers who have all recorded breaks deducted to get paid whilst waiting around while not racking up wtd working time unnecessarily
You are not more professional at all by using poa over break. It shows a lack of understanding to think it is, so less professional?
Poa only effects the wtd side of things.
For the wtd only driving and other work count as working time, break and poa don’t.
In a fixed week your working time can be a max of 60 but can’t average more than 48 at the end of the reference period.
You then have the wtd breaks, you can’t work more than 6 hours at any point without a 15 and must show 30 or 45 in total depending on the total working time in a shift.
Break and poa don’t count towards all the work / working time mentioned above.
There’s 2 reasons to use poa.
1
If you’re paid off the tacho and have all recorded breaks deducted and whilst you want to keep your wtd working time down. Obviously you need your minimum breaks, but any other waiting time bang it on poa, technically you should be told or have experience of how long the wait will be before you can use it, but it’s uncheckable and no one is bothered.2
If by taking too much break now would mess up your day and you want to keep your wtd working time down.You’re 5 hours drive from the yard, you’ll be at a drop for an hour, but taking a 45 now will mean a 45 on the way back, take between 15-44 now will mean you’ll only need a 30 on the way back, so switch to poa after 15-44 mins.
Poa will wrongly reset the driving time on your tacho, so if you use it you need to get a pen and paper out to write your times down, for this reason I’d only ever use it if I really had too, if one of the 2 reasons doesn’t apply, just use break when waiting about
You sound more like your trying to convince yourself than being objective.
You are telling me why You would use POA and not what the actual creation ans use of it is for! (the clue is in the name “Period of Availability”).
In your head and the rest you’ve convinced yourselves because it resets the drive time that you lot would rather not bother with it and you lot would be much safer just using break with much less hassle. I hear it a lot from only the older generation of truck drivers.
When I do a printout for myself to see my movements or my card is analysed by say TM or VOSA it is clearly stated day in day out down to a T at what points I have been driving - other work - resting and guess what else - available to work but not actually working! In the event of an incident - in court and the procecution or whoever sees that you just slap it on break at every opportunity would show a lack of understanding for the tachocard functions thus leading the jury which I could be on to the conclusion of a lack of understanding for when and how to use the tachocard and would summiase a unprofessional half assed driver to put it politely. To say its use is if I am on per hour or salary and get paid on breaks deducted as you’ve mentioned is what it was created for is nonsense.
So what if it resets the drive time wrongly. Do a print out and add the drive hours/minutes in your head - on the phone calculator or on paper and get on with it.
You come across as someone on POA eagerly pacing the waiting room like an expectant father, anticipating that red light to change to green.
Not someone relaxing on break, flicking through YouTube, tictok or Netflix, or even with their head down on the bunk…enjoying themselves.
wakou:
But… The first 45 minutes of any POA are assumed to be a break, and are counted as such… At least according to TachoMaster…
Only when multi Manning and in slot 2
stu675:
MoffetWizard:
stevieboy308:
MoffetWizard:
Yeah it was just put in for fun that POA function. Just because you’ve never used it doesn’t mean it’s the right and professional way. Your print outs would look unreal.Any ideas about the ITS and VDO functions ?
It’s a tool for drivers who have all recorded breaks deducted to get paid whilst waiting around while not racking up wtd working time unnecessarily
You are not more professional at all by using poa over break. It shows a lack of understanding to think it is, so less professional?
Poa only effects the wtd side of things.
For the wtd only driving and other work count as working time, break and poa don’t.
In a fixed week your working time can be a max of 60 but can’t average more than 48 at the end of the reference period.
You then have the wtd breaks, you can’t work more than 6 hours at any point without a 15 and must show 30 or 45 in total depending on the total working time in a shift.
Break and poa don’t count towards all the work / working time mentioned above.
There’s 2 reasons to use poa.
1
If you’re paid off the tacho and have all recorded breaks deducted and whilst you want to keep your wtd working time down. Obviously you need your minimum breaks, but any other waiting time bang it on poa, technically you should be told or have experience of how long the wait will be before you can use it, but it’s uncheckable and no one is bothered.2
If by taking too much break now would mess up your day and you want to keep your wtd working time down.You’re 5 hours drive from the yard, you’ll be at a drop for an hour, but taking a 45 now will mean a 45 on the way back, take between 15-44 now will mean you’ll only need a 30 on the way back, so switch to poa after 15-44 mins.
Poa will wrongly reset the driving time on your tacho, so if you use it you need to get a pen and paper out to write your times down, for this reason I’d only ever use it if I really had too, if one of the 2 reasons doesn’t apply, just use break when waiting about
You sound more like your trying to convince yourself than being objective.
You are telling me why You would use POA and not what the actual creation ans use of it is for! (the clue is in the name “Period of Availability”).
In your head and the rest you’ve convinced yourselves because it resets the drive time that you lot would rather not bother with it and you lot would be much safer just using break with much less hassle. I hear it a lot from only the older generation of truck drivers.
When I do a printout for myself to see my movements or my card is analysed by say TM or VOSA it is clearly stated day in day out down to a T at what points I have been driving - other work - resting and guess what else - available to work but not actually working! In the event of an incident - in court and the procecution or whoever sees that you just slap it on break at every opportunity would show a lack of understanding for the tachocard functions thus leading the jury which I could be on to the conclusion of a lack of understanding for when and how to use the tachocard and would summiase a unprofessional half assed driver to put it politely. To say its use is if I am on per hour or salary and get paid on breaks deducted as you’ve mentioned is what it was created for is nonsense.
So what if it resets the drive time wrongly. Do a print out and add the drive hours/minutes in your head - on the phone calculator or on paper and get on with it.
You come across as someone on POA eagerly pacing the waiting room like an expectant father, anticipating that red light to change to green.
Not someone relaxing on break, flicking through YouTube, tictok or Netflix, or even with their head down on the bunk…enjoying themselves.
Then you’re not very perceptive!
I never use poa and I don’t do RDCs
MoffetWizard:
stevieboy308:
MoffetWizard:
Yeah it was just put in for fun that POA function. Just because you’ve never used it doesn’t mean it’s the right and professional way. Your print outs would look unreal.Any ideas about the ITS and VDO functions ?
It’s a tool for drivers who have all recorded breaks deducted to get paid whilst waiting around while not racking up wtd working time unnecessarily
You are not more professional at all by using poa over break. It shows a lack of understanding to think it is, so less professional?
Poa only effects the wtd side of things.
For the wtd only driving and other work count as working time, break and poa don’t.
In a fixed week your working time can be a max of 60 but can’t average more than 48 at the end of the reference period.
You then have the wtd breaks, you can’t work more than 6 hours at any point without a 15 and must show 30 or 45 in total depending on the total working time in a shift.
Break and poa don’t count towards all the work / working time mentioned above.
There’s 2 reasons to use poa.
1
If you’re paid off the tacho and have all recorded breaks deducted and whilst you want to keep your wtd working time down. Obviously you need your minimum breaks, but any other waiting time bang it on poa, technically you should be told or have experience of how long the wait will be before you can use it, but it’s uncheckable and no one is bothered.2
If by taking too much break now would mess up your day and you want to keep your wtd working time down.You’re 5 hours drive from the yard, you’ll be at a drop for an hour, but taking a 45 now will mean a 45 on the way back, take between 15-44 now will mean you’ll only need a 30 on the way back, so switch to poa after 15-44 mins.
Poa will wrongly reset the driving time on your tacho, so if you use it you need to get a pen and paper out to write your times down, for this reason I’d only ever use it if I really had too, if one of the 2 reasons doesn’t apply, just use break when waiting about
You sound more like your trying to convince yourself than being objective.
You are telling me why You would use POA and not what the actual creation ans use of it is for! (the clue is in the name “Period of Availability”).
In your head and the rest you’ve convinced yourselves because it resets the drive time that you lot would rather not bother with it and you lot would be much safer just using break with much less hassle. I hear it a lot from only the older generation of truck drivers.
When I do a printout for myself to see my movements or my card is analysed by say TM or VOSA it is clearly stated day in day out down to a T at what points I have been driving - other work - resting and guess what else - available to work but not actually working! In the event of an incident - in court and the procecution or whoever sees that you just slap it on break at every opportunity would show a lack of understanding for the tachocard functions thus leading the jury which I could be on to the conclusion of a lack of understanding for when and how to use the tachocard and would summiase a unprofessional half assed driver to put it politely. To say its use is if I am on per hour or salary and get paid on breaks deducted as you’ve mentioned is what it was created for is nonsense.
So what if it resets the drive time wrongly. Do a print out and add the drive hours/minutes in your head - on the phone calculator or on paper and get on with it.
If throwing accusations of not understanding, probably best if you have an understanding, otherwise you look… Well you can work it out.
It’s silly.
Anyway, do you know when poa was brought in? I do, do you know the relevance to the timing of when it was brought in? I do, do you know what else was brought in at the same time? I do.
There is no requirement that you must use poa, there is no situation when poa is your only legal option, you’ve got a lot of learning to do, I’m half thinking it’s a crap wind up.