Driver-Once-More:
How do you account for mileage after it’s been in the garage?
Why would you need to account for it?
I was in the habit of writing on the back of my charts, where I was and what doing. VOSA gave me a talking to over this as they have a scanner that reads both sides of the chart they want no writing on it.I would say use a chart and keep your diary with you to back up what you were doing.
alamcculloch:
I was in the habit of writing on the back of my charts, where I was and what doing. VOSA gave me a talking to over this as they have a scanner that reads both sides of the chart they want no writing on it.
The VOSA bloke who told you this was talking ■■■■■■■■. You are supposed to write explanations on the chart, to explain deviations from the rules or make corrections, and you can do it on either side. Although the rear is the more normal you can write on the front as long as it doesn’t interfere with the traces.
and the wedding photo’s would surely back it up even more lol
Coffeeholic:
alamcculloch:
I was in the habit of writing on the back of my charts, where I was and what doing. VOSA gave me a talking to over this as they have a scanner that reads both sides of the chart they want no writing on it.The VOSA bloke who told you this was talking ■■■■■■■■. You are supposed to write explanations on the chart, to explain deviations from the rules or make corrections, and you can do it on either side. Although the rear is the more normal you can write on the front as long as it doesn’t interfere with the traces.
this.
To answer the original question;
Assuming that the plated weight of the tractor exceeds 7.5 tonnes - they are usually 18 or 26 tonnes then there is no such thing as ‘private mileage.’
If you drive them for the wedding then that will be an interruption of your weekly rest period.
Sorry if that’s not the answer you wanted but it has been the law for the last 4.5 years.
Differences in end / start odometer readings are always ‘interesting,’ whether they occur ‘at base’ or ‘away.’
And if they are digital tachos then there is no hiding it.
I do agency driving in the school hols and write on the charts where I was and the firm that I worked for.I thought it made life easier knowing at a glance where to take the charts back to after 28 days. I would imagine that with a digi the unit could be put out of scope.
Just put the card in,do the wedding and make sure the wheelarches are covered to ensure bride doesn’t get her dress marked,then write on back of card WEDDING DUTIES and I don’t think the dipsticks at Vosa will want to feature in a piece in our national newspapers,…VOSA spoil a brides day.
geebee45:
If you drive them for the wedding then that will be an interruption of your weekly rest period.Sorry if that’s not the answer you wanted but it has been the law for the last 4.5 years.
How will it be an interuption of his rest period? I.e specifically what law will he be breaking?
I thought there was no requirement to record non working time ?
As the chart is only accounting for the missing mileage.
theres no such thing as personal mileage !..if you could have personal mileage i would be able to do a 10 hr driving on a 15 hr day then drop the trailer and drive home in the unit whilst calling for my shopping, then nipping to the pub or owt else you would normally do in the car legally whilst on a reduced break
Mike-C:
geebee45:
If you drive them for the wedding then that will be an interruption of your weekly rest period.Sorry if that’s not the answer you wanted but it has been the law for the last 4.5 years.
How will it be an interuption of his rest period? I.e specifically what law will he be breaking?
I thought there was no requirement to record non working time ?
It looks like article 4 section (a) will get you.
‘carriage by road’ means any journey made entirely or in
part on roads open to the public by a vehicle, whether
laden or not, used for the carriage of passengers or
goods;
Wheel Nut:
Mike-C:
geebee45:
If you drive them for the wedding then that will be an interruption of your weekly rest period.Sorry if that’s not the answer you wanted but it has been the law for the last 4.5 years.
How will it be an interuption of his rest period? I.e specifically what law will he be breaking?
I thought there was no requirement to record non working time ?It looks like article 4 section (a) will get you.
‘carriage by road’ means any journey made entirely or in
part on roads open to the public by a vehicle, whether
laden or not, used for the carriage of passengers or
goods;
I like these discussions 
561/2006 is specifically for the organisation of ‘working time’. The OP isn’t working !!!
Anyway, as you point out the vehicle is technically in scope of the regs, i’m not so sure the driver is in anyway ‘in scope’…
561/2006…
Article 6…
5. A driver shall record as other work any time spent as described in Article 4(e) as well as any time spent driving a vehicle used for commercial operations not falling within the scope of this Regulation, and shall record any periods of availability, as defined in Article 15(3)(c) of Regulation (EEC) No 3821/85, since his last daily or weekly rest period. This record shall be entered either manually on a record sheet, a printout or by use of manual input facilities on recording equipment.
points back to 4(e)…
(e) “other work” means all activities which are defined as working time in Article 3(a) of Directive 2002/15/EC except “driving”, including any work for the same or another employer, within or outside of the transport sector;
which points to 2002/15/EC 3(a)…
Article 3
Definitions
For the purposes of this Directive:
(a) “working time” shall mean:
1. in the case of mobile workers: the time from the beginning to the end of work, during which the mobile worker is at his workstation, at the disposal of the employer and exercising his functions or activities, that is to say:
- the time devoted to all road transport activities. These activities are, in particular, the following:
(i) driving;
And as he’s not at the disposal of his employer (nor is he working), i’m failing to see how the regs apply to him in this scenario?
I thought I read a post on here about a driver getting stopped coming away from truckfest and getting hassle, surely thats a similar sort of thing, not for hire or reward…
Either way I would love to know the right answer…
Foxstein:
chancing my arm here but, as your not driving for hire or reward I dont think you need to put tacho in, then I thought how do you account for mileage difference!!! ■■■■ not sure now myself , please ignore post before i get you into trouble lol.
I don’t know,but taking a Paper out of Tacho and doing it Manuel without Card in it and get the Message “Driving without Card” done with a Push on the “OK” Button were easy but could cost.
I would phone Vosa and ask,or invite them to the Party.On the old Tacho Chart you could have done a Manuel Entry on the Back
Wheel Nut:
Mike-C:
geebee45:
If you drive them for the wedding then that will be an interruption of your weekly rest period.Sorry if that’s not the answer you wanted but it has been the law for the last 4.5 years.
How will it be an interuption of his rest period? I.e specifically what law will he be breaking?
I thought there was no requirement to record non working time ?It looks like article 4 section (a) will get you.
‘carriage by road’ means any journey made entirely or in
part on roads open to the public by a vehicle, whether
laden or not, used for the carriage of passengers or
goods;
But,you can use the Lorry for Privat use without,no.no,You need the Tacho becouse its a HGV,but you dont need any Permit of Carriage,if National or International.
But it counts not as Work for Workingtime Directive,becouse its Social Work,like i know one which is Footbal referee.
But you are Hired to drive for them and they will pay you and you are back into it.
Well 
Sorry.I can’t tell you
I remember a post a couple of days ago slagging off a copper for not knowing tacho laws !!!
You could always put another name ob the disk something like m mouse ect
Mike-C:
Wheel Nut:
Mike-C:
geebee45:
If you drive them for the wedding then that will be an interruption of your weekly rest period.Sorry if that’s not the answer you wanted but it has been the law for the last 4.5 years.
How will it be an interuption of his rest period? I.e specifically what law will he be breaking?
I thought there was no requirement to record non working time ?It looks like article 4 section (a) will get you.
‘carriage by road’ means any journey made entirely or in
part on roads open to the public by a vehicle, whether
laden or not, used for the carriage of passengers or
goods;I like these discussions
561/2006 is specifically for the organisation of ‘working time’. The OP isn’t working !!!
Anyway, as you point out the vehicle is technically in scope of the regs, i’m not so sure the driver is in anyway ‘in scope’…
561/2006…
Article 6…
5. A driver shall record as other work any time spent as described in Article 4(e) as well as any time spent driving a vehicle used for commercial operations not falling within the scope of this Regulation, and shall record any periods of availability, as defined in Article 15(3)(c) of Regulation (EEC) No 3821/85, since his last daily or weekly rest period. This record shall be entered either manually on a record sheet, a printout or by use of manual input facilities on recording equipment.points back to 4(e)…
(e) “other work” means all activities which are defined as working time in Article 3(a) of Directive 2002/15/EC except “driving”, including any work for the same or another employer, within or outside of the transport sector;which points to 2002/15/EC 3(a)…
Article 3
Definitions
For the purposes of this Directive:
(a) “working time” shall mean:
1. in the case of mobile workers: the time from the beginning to the end of work, during which the mobile worker is at his workstation, at the disposal of the employer and exercising his functions or activities, that is to say:
- the time devoted to all road transport activities. These activities are, in particular, the following:
(i) driving;And as he’s not at the disposal of his employer (nor is he working), i’m failing to see how the regs apply to him in this scenario?
Not Quite
This Regulation lays down rules on driving times, breaks and
rest periods for drivers engaged in the carriage of goods and
passengers by road in order to harmonise the conditions of
competition between modes of inland transport, especially
with regard to the road sector, and to improve working
conditions and road safety. This Regulation also aims to
promote improved monitoring and enforcement practices by
Member States and improved working practices in the road
transport industry.
(Nor is he resting) as the regulations say in Article 8; 1. A driver shall take daily and weekly rest periods.