cooper1203:
Franglais:
Macski:
You can exchange a EU DCPC or one issued in Switzerland for a UK one and I am told you can exchange a UK one too As i said the DCPC is part of the AETR agreement and the UK remains part of this.
In the early Brexit days the UK would exchange all EU driving licences, for UK licences, for those moving here.
That was the UK choice and not a reciprocal arrangement.
It took Spain and France several months before they chose to do so. Note, it is up to each country to choose whether or not they do so, its not an EU rule. There are different rules for UK licences obtained either before or after Brexit. I dont know whether or not that applies to DCPC cards too, but I would be wary of making assumptions.
It is up to individual countries how they treat 3rd country citizens, not up to the EU.
AETR means that a UK truck with a UK licensed driver, holding a UK DCPC, is OK all over Europe.
It doesn`t necessarily mean that the German Gov, for instance, will recognise UK training schemes post 2020 as good enough to issue a German DCPC.
I dont know the answer, but there are potential issues you would do well to check up on, in the country of your choice. Im not trying to put you down, just make you aware.
is/was the cpc different in europe then■■? i always assumed that the training ws the same all over as it was a european mandated thing. or was it another screw over the brits thing where they choose to accept any cpc card except those aquired in britain
The DCPC training standards are vastly different in each EU country.
In some it involves written tests which can be failed, and practical driving sessions.
The UK opted for the “stay awake and you`re OK” type itself.
Within the EU each country must accept the standards of another country.
Since 2020 we have been outside the EU so tests after this date may or may not be acceptable to other countries.
Since we are now outside of the EU, if we move to another EU country (the OP says he has an EU passport so this doesn`t apply to him) we need to apply for right of abode, work permit, driving licence exchange, DCPC exchange, in each country we wish to go to live in.
If a country asks it`s drivers to spend hours in a classroom and pass exams, and then just issues a card to some foreigner who can stay awake for 7hrs a day, who is screwing the system?
In France there is the initial training which takes 140 hours and includes driving assessments and classroom stuff.
Then we have the 35 hours before the 5 years expires, which i have just done again.
I spoke to the authorising bodies for adr, dcpc and the dvla ( licence and tacho card) and i can come and work in the UK, without exchanging my cards until the end of their validity.
The problem for a UK driver coming here, apart from stupid Brexit and residency is getting a French employer to employ someone without French qualifications.
This is likely to get harder still if the ’ bonfire of red tape’ happens and there is no agreement to recognise UK cards in Europe.
The questions that i see posted on here, particularly in respect of hours, breaks etc makes me wonder about the standards of training or the ability of candidates in general.
Franglais:
The DCPC training standards are vastly different in each EU country.
In some it involves written tests which can be failed, and practical driving sessions.
The UK opted for the “stay awake and you`re OK” type itself.
Within the EU each country must accept the standards of another country.
Since 2020 we have been outside the EU so tests after this date may or may not be acceptable to other countries.
Since we are now outside of the EU, if we move to another EU country (the OP says he has an EU passport so this doesn`t apply to him) we need to apply for right of abode, work permit, driving licence exchange, DCPC exchange, in each country we wish to go to live in.
If a country asks it`s drivers to spend hours in a classroom and pass exams, and then just issues a card to some foreigner who can stay awake for 7hrs a day, who is screwing the system?
the country asking the drivers to do a written test obviously isnt issuing the card to some forigner that only has to do 35 hours. If the forigner needs a card issuedin that country obviously they would have to take the test as well…
however the fact that each country with in the eu has to accept the qualification for want of a better word from another eu member regardless of standered just goes to prove what a pigs ear the eu are so much for creating a level playing field where everyone plays by the same rules
cooper1203:
Franglais:
The DCPC training standards are vastly different in each EU country.
In some it involves written tests which can be failed, and practical driving sessions.
The UK opted for the “stay awake and you`re OK” type itself.
Within the EU each country must accept the standards of another country.
Since 2020 we have been outside the EU so tests after this date may or may not be acceptable to other countries.
Since we are now outside of the EU, if we move to another EU country (the OP says he has an EU passport so this doesn`t apply to him) we need to apply for right of abode, work permit, driving licence exchange, DCPC exchange, in each country we wish to go to live in.
If a country asks it`s drivers to spend hours in a classroom and pass exams, and then just issues a card to some foreigner who can stay awake for 7hrs a day, who is screwing the system?
the country asking the drivers to do a written test obviously isnt issuing the card to some forigner that only has to do 35 hours. If the forigner needs a card issuedin that country obviously they would have to take the test as well…
however the fact that each country with in the eu has to accept the qualification for want of a better word from another eu member regardless of standered just goes to prove what a pigs ear the eu are so much for creating a level playing field where everyone plays by the same rules
The EU isnt a dictatorship, it asked its member countries to decide on a suitable system for itself.
Do you reckon it would be better if it was stronger then?
cooper1203:
Franglais:
The DCPC training standards are vastly different in each EU country.
In some it involves written tests which can be failed, and practical driving sessions.
The UK opted for the “stay awake and you`re OK” type itself.
Within the EU each country must accept the standards of another country.
Since 2020 we have been outside the EU so tests after this date may or may not be acceptable to other countries.
Since we are now outside of the EU, if we move to another EU country (the OP says he has an EU passport so this doesn`t apply to him) we need to apply for right of abode, work permit, driving licence exchange, DCPC exchange, in each country we wish to go to live in.
If a country asks it`s drivers to spend hours in a classroom and pass exams, and then just issues a card to some foreigner who can stay awake for 7hrs a day, who is screwing the system?
the country asking the drivers to do a written test obviously isnt issuing the card to some forigner that only has to do 35 hours. If the forigner needs a card issuedin that country obviously they would have to take the test as well…
however the fact that each country with in the eu has to accept the qualification for want of a better word from another eu member regardless of standered just goes to prove what a pigs ear the eu are so much for creating a level playing field where everyone plays by the same rules
Depends if you think a UK card as worthless as a card ‘obtained’ by a Russian driving for a Latvian company.
In France, the company wants people with a French qualification. Proves you are in the system, and speak the lingo franglaisi.
They do employ people with a UK card, at least before stupid Brexit.
OwenMoney:
cooper1203:
Franglais:
The DCPC training standards are vastly different in each EU country.
In some it involves written tests which can be failed, and practical driving sessions.
The UK opted for the “stay awake and you`re OK” type itself.
Within the EU each country must accept the standards of another country.
Since 2020 we have been outside the EU so tests after this date may or may not be acceptable to other countries.
Since we are now outside of the EU, if we move to another EU country (the OP says he has an EU passport so this doesn`t apply to him) we need to apply for right of abode, work permit, driving licence exchange, DCPC exchange, in each country we wish to go to live in.
If a country asks it`s drivers to spend hours in a classroom and pass exams, and then just issues a card to some foreigner who can stay awake for 7hrs a day, who is screwing the system?
the country asking the drivers to do a written test obviously isnt issuing the card to some forigner that only has to do 35 hours. If the forigner needs a card issuedin that country obviously they would have to take the test as well…
however the fact that each country with in the eu has to accept the qualification for want of a better word from another eu member regardless of standered just goes to prove what a pigs ear the eu are so much for creating a level playing field where everyone plays by the same rules
Depends if you think a UK card as worthless as a card ‘obtained’ by a Russian driving for a Latvian company.
In France, the company wants people with a French qualification. Proves you are in the system, and speak the lingo franglaisi.
They do employ people with a UK card, at least before stupid Brexit.
if you were responding to my comments i dont think one is more worthless than another. the point is it doesnt create a level playing field in the sence that here i got my first cpc doing a few questions /case studies to test my knowlage of drivers rules and a practical demonstration (i got how to check the vehicle for defects). where as you said in france for the inital cpc you had to do 140 hours pass a written test and a driving assesment. The cost of this is either born by the company paying for the training or the individual. Hence there is a cost incentive for a person to do the cpc here. Not to mention a time incentive as well.
Personaly in hind site i wish i had done the full cpc rather than the initial one. As when i started work i didnt have the first clue hoe to operate the tacho or how to strap a load properly.
You cant and couldnt pick and choose where you take your DCPC any more than you can/could choose which country you take a driving test. It is the country of your residence.
Doubtless some will have stories of those doing otherwise, but thems the rules.
Franglais:
You cant and couldnt pick and choose where you take your DCPC any more than you can/could choose which country you take a driving test. It is the country of your residence.
Doubtless some will have stories of those doing otherwise, but thems the rules.
If the format is the same throughout Europe it doesn’t matter where you take the DCPC, there is no need to understand it, simply to be in the same room as it for seven hours. On the last one I did there were two Polish lads who barely knew a dozen words of English and they clearly didn’t understand a word of it. I doubt the online DCPC is any different.
Harry Monk:
Franglais:
You cant and couldnt pick and choose where you take your DCPC any more than you can/could choose which country you take a driving test. It is the country of your residence.
Doubtless some will have stories of those doing otherwise, but thems the rules.
If the format is the same throughout Europe it doesn’t matter where you take the DCPC, there is no need to understand it, simply to be in the same room as it for seven hours. On the last one I did there were two Polish lads who barely knew a dozen words of English and they clearly didn’t understand a word of it. I doubt the online DCPC is any different.
Have you read the preceding posts? The format is not the same.
What is acceptable in the UK DCPC is not the same as what is acceptable in other countries, where they take it seriously.