PAUL GEE's PHOTO COLLECTION (Part 1)

[deanb]

Ray Smyth:
Hi Dean, You mentioned the colour scheme of the S.J.Bargh Scania milk tanker earlier today.
The Bargh family took over Greenbanks Dairy at Glebe Farm in Liverpool where my Dad worked
from leaving school in 1928. Greenbanks moved to a larger building not far away in Bedford Road.
Dad was a driver with Greenbanks, seen here around 1934 with his Ford 2 Tonner. At the start of
World War 2, Dad joined the RAF as a driver with 307 Squadron, which was a Nightfigher squadron
mainly based down south at Predannick, Cornwall, and Clyst Honiton, Devon. After the end of the
war, Greenbanks Dairy was taken over by Liverpool Co-operative Dairies where Dad remained until
his late 50s . Have a look at the Greenbanks Dairy section on here which I started a few years ago,
also, have a squint at 307 Squadron RAF on Google.

Cheers, Ray Smyth.

Intresting stuff Ray. Dont think i have anything on Greenbanks Dairy but if i come across anything will pop
it on your thread.

neversweat1:
They are from Colnbrook Dean - Still in business - Tippers,Grabs And Skip Hire.

Steve.

Thanks for the pic and info Steve.

Kempston:
Could not agree more Dave. When you look at the frame it looks weak and more bits to fail / go wrong.
However according to the clipping above it had been in the USA for 15 years so must have been stronger than it
looked. Personally i think i would have stuck to a more traditional tipper trailer.
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McGoverns used to run a lot very similar to these and I saw plenty of them on Shanks landfills with the trailers on their sides and all the tipping gear/chassis all twisted.

Does not surprise me Dave,they just dont look strong. I can remember my grandad having a Hoynor tipping trailer on
hire where the front axle lifted off the ground when you tipped. Even as a kid i thought it was dodgy as cant be as
stable as having both axles on the ground.

Kempston:
“neversweat1” They are from Colnbrook Dean - Still in business - Tippers,Grabs And Skip Hire.

Steve.

I’ve currently got a Mick George 6yd skip on my drive, just filled it with rubble and concrete, couldn’t believe how much a skip is nowadays, £230 !

Seem to remember the goverment brought in a land fill tax that incresed the costs alot. Lot of dosh like you say.

ERF-NGC-European:
One for Dean.

Lovely ,you can post those all day long Ro. I think that’s the one Andrew Cooper had.

finbarot:
Hi Dean
the Biffa trailers were made by Hands. Drinkwater ran even bigger ones, an identical design by Telehoist of Cheltenham, and were 76 cubic yards , the biggest tipping trailers in Europe at the time. They were deadly to tip as so much weight was forward of the ram.

I forgot they operated them chap.

[finbarot]

hi Dean
imagine dragging the thing around all day with a Gardner 180 NON power steered Foden!! No gym membership needed. When they tipped at West Drayton they had to warn air traffic control at Heathrow

[dipster]

finbarot:
hi Dean
imagine dragging the thing around all day with a Gardner 180 NON power steered Foden!! No gym membership needed. When they tipped at West Drayton they had to warn air traffic control at Heathrow

Nice comment!

[deanb]

Some odds and sods.

Click on pages twice to read.

Volvo FB88 draw-bar of G.G.Papworth from Ramsey near Huntingdon in 1973.Can carry an extra 4 pallets over a 40 foot
artic flatbed.

Intresting clipping about headboards and how much weight they should be able to support without failure from 1973.

Some Foden sales from 1965.

South African built Foden from 1979.Big old engine for the time.

Some Atkinsons from 1966.

Bedford TM’s from 1976.

Lathams Mercedes car transporter from 1973.

Another dodgy tipping trailer from 1973.

[deanb]

finbarot:
hi Dean
imagine dragging the thing around all day with a Gardner 180 NON power steered Foden!! No gym membership needed. When they tipped at West Drayton they had to warn air traffic control at Heathrow

They certainly were a big old trailer when you look at a standard tipping trailer of that period.

Dipster:
“finbarot” hi Dean
imagine dragging the thing around all day with a Gardner 180 NON power steered Foden!! No gym membership needed. When they tipped at West Drayton they had to warn air traffic control at Heathrow

Nice comment!

Arms like “Popeye”

[deanb]

This is a rare pic,not the lorry but the company. Only ever seen about 4 pics of there motors and all taken by Paul or Mark.

Beacon Hill Brick Company who were based in Corfe Mullen near Wimborne and were a large independent brick maker.
My uncle worked there all his life and told me that this ■■■■■■■ powered Guy Big J8 was horrific on fuel and was only
ever sent out on local work. Apparently it use to do 4 mpg !!! No idea why it was so bad and i assume that
included the use of the crane but even so thats awful figures.

The Tarmac Foden Haulmaster looks brand new. Seen here heading into Poole.A British Leyland Princess (shed) behind.

Safeway Volvo F7. Have been gone for a few years now.

Calberson International used to come through Poole alot and thats where he’s heading,Truckline ferries.
I wonder if they are still going ?

Someone may recognise the colour scheme on the Maggie ■■ Seen here after collecting a load of timber off the
docks at Poole.

Not had a S&D Adam International Transport motor on before. Anyone know where the Bedford was from ■■

Theres a few oldies in this pic. ■■■■■■ just waiting to pull out,thinks its a yellow Renault going the other way ? Looks like
a Sherpa van behind,not sure on the 2 cars behind that ? Ford transit parked on the verge/pavement. Honda motorbike in
the distance.

“steam” Is this you aiming the Ryvita ERF ■■

Looks like a Cortina going the other way. Not sure of the model of the Peugeot, but think it was a 505 ? White Granada ■■

Leyland Freighter of Whites who operated a quarry between Wimborne and Poole. They have certainly had a few
different colour schemes in the pics we have had.

“finbarot” The Volvo’s are taking over !

GB Express Iveco that will have just shipped into Poole. Anyone know how many trucks they operated as they got quite
big as i remember before going bang.

[coomsey]

finbarot:
hi Dean
imagine dragging the thing around all day with a Gardner 180 NON power steered Foden!! No gym membership needed. When they tipped at West Drayton they had to warn air traffic control at Heathrow

This was my old gal with 180, I thought she was a flyer

[finbarot]

Hi Dean, thanks for the DS F7, must have been one of their first Volvos.Coomsys s39 looks great.Just staring at it is making my left knee ache at the thought of that heavy clutch!!

[windrush]

finbarot:
Hi Dean, thanks for the DS F7, must have been one of their first Volvos.Coomsys s39 looks great.Just staring at it is making my left knee ache at the thought of that heavy clutch!!

For Foden’s like the S39 etc without the air assisted clutch they supplied a pressure plate with fewer springs to make the pedal lighter. However if fitted to an air assisted model such as the S50 halfcab they were lighter than the throttle and you could depress them with your hand while standing by the door, there was no ‘feel’ to them and broken propshafts occoured!

Pete.

[elsa_lad]

AIM transport are from Evesham, they where taken over by Culina. They were the transport company who had a driver drunk and he caused a accident which killed 8 people on the M1 at Milton Keynes

Simon

[coomsey]

finbarot:
Hi Dean, thanks for the DS F7, must have been one of their first Volvos.Coomsys s39 looks great.Just staring at it is making my left knee ache at the thought of that heavy clutch!!

Finbarot I manned up, me left leg looked like Hussain Bolts! Mind you when I’d had a good drink I did a lot lot of right turns coming back from the pub

[coomsey]

windrush:

finbarot:
Hi Dean, thanks for the DS F7, must have been one of their first Volvos.Coomsys s39 looks great.Just staring at it is making my left knee ache at the thought of that heavy clutch!!

For Foden’s like the S39 etc without the air assisted clutch they supplied a pressure plate with fewer springs to make the pedal lighter. However if fitted to an air assisted model such as the S50 halfcab they were lighter than the throttle and you could depress them with your hand while standing by the door, there was no ‘feel’ to them and broken propshafts occoured!

Pete.

Air assisted anything was for puffs Pete ! God help me

[deanb]

coomsey:
“finbarot”

hi Dean
imagine dragging the thing around all day with a Gardner 180 NON power steered Foden!! No gym membership needed. When they tipped at West Drayton they had to warn air traffic control at Heathrow

This was my old gal with 180, I thought she was a flyer

What would that do on the flat then “coomsey”

Is this the same Glovers or a different one ■■

finbarot:
Hi Dean, thanks for the DS F7, must have been one of their first Volvos.Coomsys s39 looks great.Just staring at it is making my left knee ache at the thought of that heavy clutch!!

windrush:
“finbarot” Hi Dean, thanks for the DS F7, must have been one of their first Volvos.Coomsys s39 looks great.Just staring at it is making my left knee ache at the thought of that heavy clutch!!

For Foden’s like the S39 etc without the air assisted clutch they supplied a pressure plate with fewer springs to make the pedal lighter. However if fitted to an air assisted model such as the S50 halfcab they were lighter than the throttle and you could depress them with your hand while standing by the door, there was no ‘feel’ to them and broken propshafts occoured!

Pete.

Thanks for the comments Pete.

elsa Lad:
AIM transport are from Evesham, they where taken over by Culina. They were the transport company who had a driver drunk and he caused a accident which killed 8 people on the M1 at Milton Keynes

Simon

Thanks for the info Simon. That must have been a terrible accident .

coomsey:
"finbarot"Hi Dean, thanks for the DS F7, must have been one of their first Volvos.Coomsys s39 looks great.Just staring at it is making my left knee ache at the thought of that heavy clutch!!

Finbarot I manned up, me left leg looked like Hussain Bolts! Mind you when I’d had a good drink I did a lot lot of right turns coming back from the pub

Lots of right turn’s

[neversweat1]

Now known as Geodis Calberson in France I believe Dean. Same lot that took over Cavewoods of High Wycombe.

Steve

[coomsey]

What would that do on the flat then “coomsey”

Is this the same Glovers or a different one
Different Dean, that’s Trevor Glover from Ravenstone Leics. Started as an OD n built up to 10 or so mostly Fodens, coal down London n scrap back. Went when the pits went !
My old gal were good for 60mph, but anything would slow her down cheers coomsey

[tastrucker]

DEANB:
The first 4 pics look like the road into Porthmadog in Wales to me but have not been that way for a good few years.

Gews Foden.

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Texaco DAF tanker.

8

Mansel Davies Volvo.

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T & V Haulage Volvo.

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Poxy car. P&C Hamilton always run a tidy fleet.

5

AIM Logistics DAF from ■■?

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Always nice to see a S.J.Bargh motor with there traditional colour scheme.

3

Ted E Bush Foden from Wimborne. That pic was taken in 2010 and he’s still running around in it today. Money making
machine.

2

KC Transport Volvo from Holton Heath,Wareham.

1

C.A.Stevens MAN bulker who i think are from Andover.

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Hello DEAN ,Paul on the causeway in Porthmadog , GEWS waste management are from Wrexham ,T V haulage from Blaenau Ffestiniog .are part of the Tudor Griffiths group Ellesmere ,thank you Trevor

[finbarot]

coomsey:

finbarot:
Hi Dean, thanks for the DS F7, must have been one of their first Volvos.Coomsys s39 looks great.Just staring at it is making my left knee ache at the thought of that heavy clutch!!

Finbarot I manned up, me left leg looked like Hussain Bolts! Mind you when I’d had a good drink I did a lot lot of right turns coming back from the pub

Thats so weird .I had a similar condition which really stumped my GP. Same right turns after alcohol, but my right hand would then start a fluttery almost rudder like effect which acted opposite lock in an attempt to straighten me out. GP put it down to having the range change on a stalk instead of the gearstick. Fodens eh!!

[finbarot]

windrush:

finbarot:
Hi Dean, thanks for the DS F7, must have been one of their first Volvos.Coomsys s39 looks great.Just staring at it is making my left knee ache at the thought of that heavy clutch!!

For Foden’s like the S39 etc without the air assisted clutch they supplied a pressure plate with fewer springs to make the pedal lighter. However if fitted to an air assisted model such as the S50 halfcab they were lighter than the throttle and you could depress them with your hand while standing by the door, there was no ‘feel’ to them and broken propshafts occoured!

Pete.

Hi Pete
we used to remove three springs to make it 15 in an attempt to make it a bit lighter.If they were set up correctly they were ok, but if incorrectly adjusted the pedal was way to high .Did you used to shim them near the end of their life to get a few more shifts out of them? Ive seen some clutch plates you could shave with they were so thin! Anything to avoid horsing that gearbox out

[windrush]

finbarot:

windrush:

finbarot:
Hi Dean, thanks for the DS F7, must have been one of their first Volvos.Coomsys s39 looks great.Just staring at it is making my left knee ache at the thought of that heavy clutch!!

For Foden’s like the S39 etc without the air assisted clutch they supplied a pressure plate with fewer springs to make the pedal lighter. However if fitted to an air assisted model such as the S50 halfcab they were lighter than the throttle and you could depress them with your hand while standing by the door, there was no ‘feel’ to them and broken propshafts occoured!

Pete.

Hi Pete
we used to remove three springs to make it 15 in an attempt to make it a bit lighter.If they were set up correctly they were ok, but if incorrectly adjusted the pedal was way to high .Did you used to shim them near the end of their life to get a few more shifts out of them? Ive seen some clutch plates you could shave with they were so thin! Anything to avoid horsing that gearbox out

No, we just changed them! Gearboxes only took an hour to remove (they were in and out regularly!) but the sintered iron clutch plates tended to wear the flywheel wear plate away so the flywheel sometimes had to be removed to change the plate. Later plates had a different material.

Pete.

[deanb]

neversweat1:
Now known as Geodis Calberson in France I believe Dean. Same lot that took over Cavewoods of High Wycombe.

Steve

Thanks for the info Steve.

Heres a clipping about Cave Wood from 1966 and there is an article about them on page 567.

coomsey:
What would that do on the flat then “coomsey”

Is this the same Glovers or a different one
Different Dean, that’s Trevor Glover from Ravenstone Leics. Started as an OD n built up to 10 or so mostly Fodens, coal down London n scrap back. Went when the pits went !
My old gal were good for 60mph, but anything would slow her down cheers coomsey

Thanks for confirming,not too bad then chap 60mph. “anything would slow her down”
That sounds familiar i can remember my grandads Guy Big J6,Leyland Octopus and Seddon Atkinson 400 8 wheeler all
being frightened of hills…

tastrucker:
“DEANB”

The first 4 pics look like the road into Porthmadog in Wales to me but have not been that way for a good few years.

Gews Foden.

T & V Haulage Volvo.

Hello DEAN ,Paul on the causeway in Porthmadog , GEWS waste management are from Wrexham ,T V haulage from Blaenau Ffestiniog .are part of the Tudor Griffiths group Ellesmere ,thank you Trevor

Thanks for the details about Gew’s and T V Haulage,good stuff Trevor.

finbarot:
“coomsey” “finbarot”
Hi Dean, thanks for the DS F7, must have been one of their first Volvos.Coomsys s39 looks great.Just staring at it is making my left knee ache at the thought of that heavy clutch!!

Finbarot I manned up, me left leg looked like Hussain Bolts! Mind you when I’d had a good drink I did a lot lot of right turns coming back from the pub

Thats so weird .I had a similar condition which really stumped my GP. Same right turns after alcohol, but my right hand would then start a fluttery almost rudder like effect which acted opposite lock in an attempt to straighten me out. GP put it down to having the range change on a stalk instead of the gearstick. Fodens eh!!

Classic…

windrush:
“finbarot” “windrush”

For Foden’s like the S39 etc without the air assisted clutch they supplied a pressure plate with fewer springs to make the pedal lighter. However if fitted to an air assisted model such as the S50 halfcab they were lighter than the throttle and you could depress them with your hand while standing by the door, there was no ‘feel’ to them and broken propshafts occoured!
Pete.

Hi Pete
we used to remove three springs to make it 15 in an attempt to make it a bit lighter.If they were set up correctly they were ok, but if incorrectly adjusted the pedal was way to high .Did you used to shim them near the end of their life to get a few more shifts out of them? Ive seen some clutch plates you could shave with they were so thin! Anything to avoid horsing that gearbox out

No, we just changed them! Gearboxes only took an hour to remove (they were in and out regularly!) but the sintered iron clutch plates tended to wear the flywheel wear plate away so the flywheel sometimes had to be removed to change the plate. Later plates had a different material.

Pete.

Pete, I know clutches can fail early sometimes due to driver abuse,but how long did clutches last roughly on tipper work ?