Here in the background is what i think is my dads Atki he got when he worked for Longs , i cant read the reg plate but they only had two. He got it new around 71 and it would be fairly new here. They went onto 1418 Mercs soon after when one of the Longs family Andrew opened Northside Truck Centre with some partners . NTC is still there Longs is now converted into an Academy the one where a teacher was stabbed by one of the pupils the sign of the times! .The sorry looking Atki could be the same one after being used at Courtaulds Westcroft Mill in Bradford as a shunter . NMP
240 Gardner:
“DEANB”Fantastic post Paul.
Peter built up an impressive company, looking at the photos and 38 units / 100 trailers. The aerial pic
of the yard is a cracker.We have had a few of Peter’s motors on here. He certainly liked his Borderers.
Actually, I think this one that Paul photographed was one of Burton’s own fleet. They ran some Atkinsons and also some 400 Series later:
Anyway, fantastic selection of John Marsh/BVT stuff from both Paul and Dean, thank you! As BVT were relatively local to me, I remember them very well indeed.
Thanks for the pic and comments Chris.
Heres a bit more about them.
Click on pages twice to read.
Chris Webb:
“windrush” “Punchy Dan” “pete smith”^^^^^^^^^^
Morning Dennis,
I hope Anne and yourself have had a nice Christmas?
You probably tipped the load at the Coalite plant at Bolsolver and the re-load would have been next door to Keresley Colliery at Coventry, I think it was the Maxibright plant? Cheer’s Pete
I thought one was called Homefire at cov Pete
It was Dan, we did some surfacing work there and also at Daw Mill. Homefire wasn’t a very healthy place, supposedly ‘smokeless’ but that was just a word used to convince the public!We used to deliver tarmac to a contracting firms yard near there and you could taste the blooming dust.
Pete
Coventry Homefire plant was a regular saturday drop for us with coal spray oil - NCB term for diesel.Not a nice place but better than Coalite.
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> 240 Gardner:
> “Bewick”
>
> I suppose I can “declare an interest” in this article from '72 as at that time I had bought three new Borderers previously which all three had the ■■■■■■■ engines as trying to get my hands on either a 6LXB chassis never mind the “Holy Graille” 8LXB were for a youngster of 24 absolutely zero ! So as for ever owning one of these 8LXB Borderers just remained a pipe dream ! Only the most “favoured” Atkinson fleets were allocated the very few 8LXB engine Borderers that came out of Walton -le-Dale. The 8 LXB Chassis were about £1500 dearer than the ■■■■■■■ units but that was irrelevant if you couldn’t get your hands on one ! However, about 4 years later my Dealer Pal the late Malc Woodhouse Snr rang me one day and offered me an L reg 8LXB Borderer of identical spec to the JR unit in the article so, of course, I couldn’t resist and I bought the Beast there and then ! This unit was ex Vic Wild’s fleet from Stoke reg no. TVT ■■■ L and really the only thing that let it down was the fact that it didn’t have power steering. It ran in the Mcguffie fleet mainly between W. ■■■■■■■■■■■■■ ■■■■■■■ down to Liverpool, Cheshire and N. Wales.
> I’m also reminded of one job we put it on for a few trips which was for a Belfast coal merchant which entailed them sending a tipper trailer over to Heysham loaded with coal dust which we tipped at Coalight ? Nottingham ? then we reloaded it at a smokeless fuel plant at Coventry IIRC then we dropped it off at Heysham for shipping back to NI. However, the Paddies were a bit cough! cough! free and easy with the gross weights and sometimes we were grossing at 36/37 and once at 38ton. I had given Paddy a round trip job price so he was taking the ■■■■ and no matter how we bollocked him he reckoned there wasn’t a weighbridge handy so he just guessed it ! Well finally I told him I wasn’t prepared to jeopardise our Operator Licence and I declined to do anymore as the very last one had grossed out at 38 ton !! It didn’t bother the 8 LXB one bit but it was another 5 years or so until 38 ton gvw became law !!
> PS I hope all TN Members and their Families had a peaceful and enjoyable Christmas. Cheers Bewick.
>
> I didn’t know that you’d had an 8-pot Borderer, Dennis! Tell you what, there can’t have been many 24-year-old hauliers who had already bought three new Atkis either!
>
> I know what you mean about handling the weight, though: I was once stitched up with a job where the trailer was loaded and hooked up the night before, the unit being a 400 Series with an 8LXB, bought secondhand for shunting, and a tandem axle curtain-sider. As it looked a bit down on the drive axle I had a look in the back and, although the load was all between the bogie and the headboard, it didn’t look like much of a load, so I set off. It felt heavy even as it creaked and groaned out of the gate, but we were away - you know how it is
>
> Heading out of Blackburn and climbing out towards Feniscowles, and then again from Pleasington up to Hoghton, we were rolling well and I never had to drop into low range on the hills, and we were soon at Bamber Bridge. Not a trace of exhaust smoke when I got there, I can tell you, but the tyres were distinctly warm! I worked it all out afterwards - 33 tonnes of metal pressings on Euro-pallets, with a gross weight of 48.5 tonnes! Oh, and the unit was down plated to 28 tonnes…
48.5 tonnes !
> Chris Webb:
> I had a 400 Series Sed Atki with 240 at MFS VWA 427S,nobody else really wanted to drive it,sooner have a Scania 81 with synchro box instead of the arse aboot face Fuller.I put my name down for it and had it for around 6 months on nights regular. It would blow all our Scania 81s and 82s into the weeds when on trunk.
Thanks for the input Chris,from memory the 81’s were 205 bhp.
> robthedog:
> C.A.Stevens Volvo F7. Remember seeing there motors about and they use to do bulk grain work as well as flats.
> Were they based Salisbury way ■■
>
> Hi Dean
> CA STEVENS are from Grateley near Andover
Thanks Rob i thought they were somewhere that way.
> robthedog:
> Dont think we have had a Axle motor on before,anyone know where they are from ■■
>
> AXLE are from Dunstable, they also have some other depots scattered about
Cheers Rob.
> Bewick:
> Hiya Chris,
> I trust you have had a peaceful Christmas and I wish you All the Best for what will hopefully be a better 2021 ! I suppose the engagement diary will have looked a bit quiet this year although have you had any Covid secure gigs during December ?
> here is a not very good shot of the 8LXB Borderer but it is a side shot !! and a shot of the three first new Borderers taken one Sunday morning in '72 at the Mill by the late Bill Inman who was the Technical Director at the Mill.Regards Dennis.
The 3 Borderers look tidy Dennis. Popped a roadtest with the 240 gardner in a Borderer on the last page.
> ramone:
> Here in the background is what i think is my dads Atki he got when he worked for Longs , i cant read the reg plate but they only had two. He got it new around71 and it would be fairly new here. They went onto 1418 Mercs soon after when one of the Longs family Andrew opened Northside Truck Centre with some partners . NTC is still there Longs is now converted into an Academy the one where a teacher was stabbed by one of the pupils the sign of the times! .The sorry looking Atki could be the same one after being used at Courtaulds Westcroft Mill in Bradford as a shunter . NMP
Thanks for the comments and pics “ramone”
> Buzzer:
> Smart new single deck Ploughman cattle box new in service in Wales, Buzzer.
Thats a very tidy looking outfit Buzzer.
so when washing out it made it alot easier.Cant see a gap in the pic.
Anyone recognise the ERF tipper ■■
L.E.Jones Scania.
Dont think we have had a Samskip motor on before,anyone know where they were based ■■
Think its a Tarmac Foden.
Dont remember having a Freelance motor on before,anyone know where they are based ■■
Maxi Volvo.
TDG ERF.
John Bywater tidy Volvo.
Bowmur Scania.
OSS Group ERF.
Not my photos
Anyone make the name out on the Dodge ?
Unknown Foden leaving Poole docks.
Yeoman Volvo F86
Anyone make out the name on the door of the Merc ■■
Not had a Rhys Davies motor on for a while.
The local council liked there Fodens.
Cant remember if we have had a Titan haulage motor on before. Anyone know where they are based ■■
Lovely to see a Botley Mills Volvo. Used to go there as a kid in my grandads motors.
Daz, Not sure where McArdle were based ■■
Carrying on with steel / aluminium haulage.
We have had a few of Catnic’s motors on here who i seem to remember Rowley drove for.
The first letter has been cut of each word in the first column on the second page but its still readable.
Click on pages twice.
Hi Dean Botley Mills is no way the same today as you would have remembered it, there is still a shop/store there selling all manor of animal feed etc but the rest of the mill now consists of various retail outlets selling lots of different things, the mill was originally powered by the water of the upper reaches of the Hamble river.
As for cattle containers they are not allowed any effluent to escape and new ones have tanks built into the floor at the rear and this is emptied when washing out, also most ventilation is above bum height of the animals to prevent the inevitable, Cheers Buzzer
Hi Dean Thomason & Kelly is the name on the dodge cheers Ray
DEANB:
Not had a Rhys Davies motor on for a while.
Not likely to be any new ones either, by the sound of it, since they went into administration earlier this month. It seems that the new owners
who bought it last year, aren’t actually supporting it
DEANB:
Heres a bit more about them.
Marvellous, thanks Dean 
And a Chandler cartoon thrown in too! He used to do cartoons for the Atkinson house magazine in the late 60s and early 70s
Bewick:
Hiya Chris,
I trust you have had a peaceful Christmas and I wish you All the Best for what will hopefully be a better 2021 ! I suppose the engagement diary will have looked a bit quiet this year although have you had any Covid secure gigs during December ?
here is a not very good shot of the 8LXB Borderer but it is a side shot !! and a shot of the three first new Borderers taken one Sunday morning in '72 at the Mill by the late Bill Inman who was the Technical Director at the Mill.Regards Dennis.
Very peaceful thanks Dennis - with the grandchildren in Berkshire being plunged into Tier 4, I stayed at home for an extremely quiet Cotswold Christmas! Hope all was suitably festive in Westmorland?
Not a single gig this year 
We had bookings for some festivals, and also I was involved in a theatre performance in London which should have been staged in April, but not a single event has taken place. Still, next year might be a better one for all of us…
Thanks for the 8LXB shot, not to mention the others
Best wishes for 2021!
DEANB:
Anyone make the name out on the Dodge ?8
Unknown Foden leaving Poole docks.
7
Yeoman Volvo F86
6
Anyone make out the name on the door of the Merc ■■
5
Not had a Rhys Davies motor on for a while.
4
The local council liked there Fodens.
3
Cant remember if we have had a Titan haulage motor on before. Anyone know where they are based ■■
2
Lovely to see a Botley Mills Volvo. Used to go there as a kid in my grandads motors.
1
Daz, Not sure where McArdle were based ■■
Hi Dean,
The Dodge is Thomason & Kelly
The Mercedes,Frank Squires ? is pulling a SoM trailer with carbon black tanks,obviously a sub contractor.
David
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Buzzer:
Hi Dean Botley Mills is no way the same today as you would have remembered it, there is still a shop/store there selling all manor of animal feed etc but the rest of the mill now consists of various retail outlets selling lots of different things, the mill was originally powered by the water of the upper reaches of the Hamble river.
As for cattle containers they are not allowed any effluent to escape and new ones have tanks built into the floor at the rear and this is emptied when washing out, also most ventilation is above bum height of the animals to prevent the inevitable, Cheers Buzzer
Hi Buzzer
Containers are still being designed / built with low level ventilation, it all depends on deck heights etc. Don’t think slurry tanks are compulsory, just checked Parkhouse Coachworks website and they will install tanks on certain designs but as an optional extra.
Tyneside
5thwheel:
DEANB:
Anyone make the name out on the Dodge ?8
Unknown Foden leaving Poole docks.
7
Yeoman Volvo F86
6
Anyone make out the name on the door of the Merc ■■
5
Not had a Rhys Davies motor on for a while.
4
The local council liked there Fodens.
3
Cant remember if we have had a Titan haulage motor on before. Anyone know where they are based ■■
2
Lovely to see a Botley Mills Volvo. Used to go there as a kid in my grandads motors.
1
Daz, Not sure where McArdle were based ■■
Hi Dean,
The Dodge is Thomason & Kelly
The Mercedes,Frank Squires ? is pulling a SoM trailer with carbon black tanks,obviously a sub contractor.
David
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Hay Dean you have made day and blown my mind with this McArlde Routeman pictrue this company was a big favourite of mine back in there days they were based in West London Wembley there yard was not that far away from Stadium they were a very big company with 60 tippers in there fleet and lots of plant working on various job in London and out of London they did loads ground work on the motor ways M25 etc etc. There fleet of tippers were Routmans AEC Maggies running with Volvo low loaders the list goes on dean but sadley they went bust in 2013 Keep up with the fantastic on this group and i hope you do come across more old pics of Jimmy McArlde tippers this one is a bonus to me Happy new year Dean Paul Mark and every one in this group for the nice pics Regards Daz
5thwheel:
DEANB:
Anyone make the name out on the Dodge ?8
Unknown Foden leaving Poole docks.
7
Yeoman Volvo F86
6
Anyone make out the name on the door of the Merc ■■
5
Not had a Rhys Davies motor on for a while.
4
The local council liked there Fodens.
3
Cant remember if we have had a Titan haulage motor on before. Anyone know where they are based ■■
2
Lovely to see a Botley Mills Volvo. Used to go there as a kid in my grandads motors.
1
Daz, Not sure where McArdle were based ■■
Hi Dean,
The Dodge is Thomason & Kelly
The Mercedes,Frank Squires ? is pulling a SoM trailer with carbon black tanks,obviously a sub contractor.
David
0
Hay Dean you have made day and blown my mind with this McArlde Routeman pictrue this company was a big favourite of mine back in there days they were based in West London Wembley there yard was not that far away from Stadium they were a very big company with 60 tippers in there fleet and lots of plant working on various job in London and out of London they did loads ground work on the motor ways M25 etc etc. There fleet of tippers were Routmans AEC Maggies running with Volvo low loaders the list goes on dean but sadley they went bust in 2013 Keep up with the fantastic on this group and i hope you do come across more old pics of Jimmy McArlde tippers this one is a bonus to me Happy new year Dean Paul Mark and every one in this group for the nice pics Regards Daz
DEANB:
Daz, Not sure where McArdle were based ■■0
I think that would be one of Jim McArdle’s tippers, He had a depot in Wembley & I think their main depot was out Langley/Colnbrook way
Punchy Dan:
pete smith:
^^^^^^^^^^
Morning Dennis,
I hope Anne and yourself have had a nice Christmas?
You probably tipped the load at the Coalite plant at Bolsolver and the re-load would have been next door to Keresley Colliery at Coventry, I think it was the Maxibright plant? Cheer’s PeteI thought one was called Homefire at cov Pete .
Yes Dan it was 
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