Leyland and an AEC in New Zealand thanks to Trev Jones.
oily
Leyland600:
I used to see these McKelvie wagons passing through Carlisle daily in the late 1950s early 60s in the days before the M6.
When I was on the Octopus and trailer at Brady’s,one of the jobs we did regularly was 20ton of tarry coil into Scottish Cables at Renfrew from Barrow Steel.It was usually a quick “fill in” job loaded by the night shunter and we ran there and back M/T,sometimes on a Friday,but it could have been on a Wednesdy. If it was on a Friday then the waggon and trailer was reloaded on Saturday or a Sunday morning for The Abbey with Signode strapping.Cheers Bewick.
Bewick:
and we ran there and back M/T
I’ll bet that was a good payer Dennis… 
Chris Webb:
Bewick:
and we ran there and back M/TI’ll bet that was a good payer Dennis…
I believe the rates out of Barrow Steel were fairly decent then Chris,on the odd occaision we did sometimes pick gear up at John Browns for Vickers but that could slow us up for another round trip.We normally did one round trip to South Wales at the beginning of the week,a quick one in the middle then another round trip to London with either tarry coil to a cable works in Dartford name?,then reload Tissue reels ex Northfleet for Barrow.We were never stopped as the shunters would turn the outfit around in Barrow,but my mate would always insist on re doing the sheets and ropes as the shunters could never achieve the “required” standard !! Oh! and when we were running back to Barrow from Scotch I got behind the wheel,wey! hey! still a teenager,but there was no playing silly buggers,nice and steady all the way ! Happy Days,Dennis.PS Oh! and I’ve just rembered McKelvies loaded us a couple of times with heavy plate for Vickers.
MOC:
Evening all, oilly, this is becoming a compulsive thread. MOC, you have some really evocative images, not the least the Wauthier Willeme, for both the lorry and operator have a story to tell.
The 1962 Willeme type LD610TBH, a 35tonne, 3.5metre wb 4x2 tractor, with a net weight of 4340kgs, Fitted with the “new” Cottard of Bourg en Bresse built Horizon cab (the 800mm wide sleeper adding 40kgs to the tare weight),fitted, (in Soc Tpts Wauthiers case), with the Willeme 518T6C Turbocharged 13.540litre 6cylinder 130mm x 170mm 255hp engine. (The standard engine being the identical capacity, but naturally aspirated version of 190hp).( All Willeme engines, 4, 6, &8cylinder shared the same bore and stroke ratios), 6speed overdrive gearbox, and twin plate clutch, Willemes own double reduction rear axle. The 24volt electric equipped tractor sitting on 1200x20 tyre equipment. A premium long distance vehicle that struck real fear into Berliet, who had no such advanced driver enviroment tractor at that time .
But sadly the vehicle had a real achilles heel…the engine! Whereas the naturally aspirated 518T6, although modest in power was a reliable motor, the Turbocharged version was not. High oil consumption, piston and head problems had plagued it from its launch in the late50s. Willeme searched for a partner who could produce a “high power” engine that possesed reliability. The result was the alliance with our own AEC, and that handsome Horizon cab sat mainly over the 690 AEC offering, although some Willeme records suggest that a Turbocharged AEC was to be offered following field trials.
Transports Wauthier,Zone Industriels, Fosse, Carvin, (59), Is there a more depresing area of France than 59 I wonder■■? Were “big power lovers, and liked their Willemes. But they, as many others could not cope with the big Turbos unreliability. So the brothers began re engine with Detroits, sourced from Frances importer Perez et Raimond, who following Willemes demise took on the licence to produce Willemes heavy haulage 6x4, 8x4, & 8x8 TG range. Those Detroit - Willemes were by all reports both comfortable, (if you look closely at the photograph you can see the " Scania R type angle to the steering wheel)”, and very powerful, if not rather thirsty!!
The Wauthier Brothers “Detroitised” many vehicles, not just Willemes, both in their own fleet, and for clients of their repair business. I well remember a rebuilt Scania 140 fitted with a 475hp Detroit, and 13speed Fuller, in the late 70s, that gained almost mythical status amongst local drivers! Bruno, Charles, Andre, and Daniel so loved US iron that they began to import and operate Paccar products. Both Kenworth, and Peterbilt . The first 362 cabover 6x4 they ran on their tanker fleet was driven by an ex ONATRA employee, and was soon joined by both T600 and W900 tractors.
It is debatable who was Frances largest US truck operator, Wauthiers imported sold and ran quite a number. But then my old friends the Lefebvre family from Aix Noulette I could never sway from their Detroit powered Internationals, resplendent in the red white and gold livery of Trans Artois Frigo, TAF NOR, or Locartois, they operated over 40 of them, and boy were they lookers! And I must not forget the “Auvergne Cowboy”, Michel Gaillard , a KW man through and through.
But if I had to climb into any one of them to do some work, … it would be that magnificent Willeme, now that is real class. Thanks for the memories, Cheerio for now.
Saviem:
MOC:
Evening all, oilly, this is becoming a compulsive thread. MOC, you have some really evocative images, not the least the Wauthier Willeme, for both the lorry and operator have a story to tell.
The 1962 Willeme type LD610TBH, a 35tonne, 3.5metre wb 4x2 tractor, with a net weight of 4340kgs, Fitted with the “new” Cottard of Bourg en Bresse built Horizon cab (the 800mm wide sleeper adding 40kgs to the tare weight),fitted, (in Soc Tpts Wauthiers case), with the Willeme 518T6C Turbocharged 13.540litre 6cylinder 130mm x 170mm 255hp engine. (The standard engine being the identical capacity, but naturally aspirated version of 190hp).( All Willeme engines, 4, 6, &8cylinder shared the same bore and stroke ratios), 6speed overdrive gearbox, and twin plate clutch, Willemes own double reduction rear axle. The 24volt electric equipped tractor sitting on 1200x20 tyre equipment. A premium long distance vehicle that struck real fear into Berliet, who had no such advanced driver enviroment tractor at that time .
But sadly the vehicle had a real achilles heel…the engine! Whereas the naturally aspirated 518T6, although modest in power was a reliable motor, the Turbocharged version was not. High oil consumption, piston and head problems had plagued it from its launch in the late50s. Willeme searched for a partner who could produce a “high power” engine that possesed reliability. The result was the alliance with our own AEC, and that handsome Horizon cab sat mainly over the 690 AEC offering, although some Willeme records suggest that a Turbocharged AEC was to be offered following field trials.
Transports Wauthier,Zone Industriels, Fosse, Carvin, (59), Is there a more depresing area of France than 59 I wonder■■? Were “big power lovers, and liked their Willemes. But they, as many others could not cope with the big Turbos unreliability. So the brothers began re engine with Detroits, sourced from Frances importer Perez et Raimond, who following Willemes demise took on the licence to produce Willemes heavy haulage 6x4, 8x4, & 8x8 TG range. Those Detroit - Willemes were by all reports both comfortable, (if you look closely at the photograph you can see the " Scania R type angle to the steering wheel)”, and very powerful, if not rather thirsty!!
The Wauthier Brothers “Detroitised” many vehicles, not just Willemes, both in their own fleet, and for clients of their repair business. I well remember a rebuilt Scania 140 fitted with a 475hp Detroit, and 13speed Fuller, in the late 70s, that gained almost mythical status amongst local drivers! Bruno, Charles, Andre, and Daniel so loved US iron that they began to import and operate Paccar products. Both Kenworth, and Peterbilt . The first 362 cabover 6x4 they ran on their tanker fleet was driven by an ex ONATRA employee, and was soon joined by both T600 and W900 tractors.
It is debatable who was Frances largest US truck operator, Wauthiers imported sold and ran quite a number. But then my old friends the Lefebvre family from Aix Noulette I could never sway from their Detroit powered Internationals, resplendent in the red white and gold livery of Trans Artois Frigo, TAF NOR, or Locartois, they operated over 40 of them, and boy were they lookers! And I must not forget the “Auvergne Cowboy”, Michel Gaillard , a KW man through and through.
But if I had to climb into any one of them to do some work, … it would be that magnificent Willeme, now that is real class. Thanks for the memories, Cheerio for now.
Saviam,you are a wealth of knowledge on this forum and thread , and glad you enjoy the odd evocative images. The 1962 Willeme just oozies stylle for me and have just ,after reading your comprehensive history lesson found it very interesting,thanks for that 
Sorry double posted.
Another Pegaso to add to yesterdays lot with a question, which axle drives this wagon, my guess would be rear with a specially constructed bed.
oily.
My guess is that the frame looks something like this.
Photos taken at IAA in Hannover 1986
/Stellan
oiltreader:
1915 in Sweden, Scania or Vabis
oily
It´s both… Scania in Malmö merged with Vabis in Södertälje in 1911 and became Scania-Vabis
/Stellan
Leyland Hippos
this first one from Austrailia.
From Sweden i belive
From Spain.
Spainish Pegasos 60/70s
On the London markets in the late 60’s, used to see a few of those Pegasos. But one motor I remember that stands out was a regular visitor from Spain in Covent Garden, was a good few years old then, a bonnetted Leyland Beaver artic, had a big badge on each side of the bonnet saying “El Camion Ingles LEYLAND”, I think that means LEYLAND, The English Lorry". How proud we were of our engineering skills then!
Bernard
Some more foreign visitors, thanks to Len Rogers. Second wagon first picture, any ideas 
oily
Bah! just clocked MOC’s pic again, its a Pegaso. 
