We’ve been told in work today that the company will no longer be paying overtime at time & a half , instead if you work over the time will have to be taken back at a another time , for example half today would mean half hour earlier finish tomorrow, highly unlikely on a Friday anyway, but that is now what is going to be expected, and no accruing of time to have a full day off either , they’re squeezing every last penny away from us, was talking to a lad from another local firm who said they used to get overtime but now if they do 50 hours one week ,next week they only do 30 .anybody else have similar sanctions being imposed ? …
Quite a lot of companies are going for this plan now, or even paying overtime at the same rate. If you just treat it that a long day gets you time off another day it’ll be fine 
Unless you’d prefer not to. You could voice your concerns to the company but don’t expect them to listen! 
kemaro:
We’ve been told in work today that the company will no longer be paying overtime at time & a half , instead if you work over the time will have to be taken back at a another time , for example half today would mean half hour earlier finish tomorrow, highly unlikely on a Friday anyway, but that is now what is going to be expected, and no accruing of time to have a full day off either , they’re squeezing every last penny away from us, was talking to a lad from another local firm who said they used to get overtime but now if they do 50 hours one week ,next week they only do 30 .anybody else have similar sanctions being imposed ? …
yes,alot of our younger [mortages,3/4 kids] lads are struggling,when your used to 70/80 hrs p.w [50+o/t],40 hrs i a big drop[even though you get 50 hrs gauranteed],one young lad got given a 8 1/2 hr run a month or two ago,when he rang in for re-load they said straight back,he refused 
,said he wasnt comming back after 8 1/2 hrs,so they tried to get him back,when that didnt work,they sent him elsewhere but said he must be back in yard by 3.30 p.m,came back at 3.30,got 12.5 hrs in
Is it what companies call ‘annualised hours’? or is that something different.
Were on a 40 hour basic week now, no saturdays, just Monday to Friday 8-430 , half hour for lunch …the load bonus went a while ago and now overtime to o , yet the cost of living & household bills goes up weekly, at the end of a month I will have no disposable income , nothing to put aside for a rainy day , and as jobs are few and far between its a catch 22 …
i wonder just wonder if this is a result of your manager being hauled in.
he’s told them your stringing the job out which is what the fuss mainly was, result no overtime. never trust the managers when putting their heads together.
I don’t know how true this is, but I was chatting to a lad that used to drive for sainsburys out of Sherborne, he was an agency driver. He said that the full time sainsburys drivers don’t get overtime paid if they do anymore than 20 hours overtime a month, any overtime over 20 hours gets banked for them. He said some drivers have over 90 hours banked that they can’t get paid as they can only get paid a max of 20 hours OT a month. Also said a driver left a while ago who was owed loads in banked overtime and he had to threaten to take them to court to get it.
Probably a load of rubbish he was chatting
selby newcomer:
I don’t know how true this is, but I was chatting to a lad that used to drive for sainsburys out of Sherborne, he was an agency driver. He said that the full time sainsburys drivers don’t get overtime paid if they do anymore than 20 hours overtime a month, any overtime over 20 hours gets banked for them. He said some drivers have over 90 hours banked that they can’t get paid as they can only get paid a max of 20 hours OT a month. Also said a driver left a while ago who was owed loads in banked overtime and he had to threaten to take them to court to get it.Probably a load of rubbish he was chatting
ive heard that as well. they would rather you do 44 hrs than the 48 so you dont get any overtime.
This annualised hours thing has been going on for years in other industries. The company i work for run annualised hours. No overtime is paid and any hours worked extra are ‘banked’ and taken as time off or as late starts/early afinishes. We dont get holidays, they are worked into the shift pattern. Im lucky as i can use my days off for a bit of driving. The annualised hours has saved the company i work for from posting a loss. We are still doing well in a struggling industry. It is the future, but a bu**er if you flike the O/T.
Thing is its better for drivers in the long run, IF you can get a decent proper salary negotiated, luckily it should affect the shop stewards and drivers reps the same too, they’ve been responsible for helping maintain the status quo at many unfairly paid jobs, as the management have made sure they get the correct work/hours to keep them (and their immediate cronies who keep them voted in) onside and not rock the boat and sod the rest of the workforce who are often too blind to see.
The younger blokes with kids might find themselves just as well off as they may well come into tax credit bands now, where working all hours God sends puts them over the threshold.
We really need to get away from this bloody 70 and 80 hour working week syndrome, most of us have worked twice as many hours in our lifetimes as those in normal jobs.
I wonder if the powers that be are starting to clamp down on POA abuses, if so a good thing.
It is ideal hours in an ideal world but like hqs been said, a decent wage needs to go with it & that’s where it all falls apart for us , as much as we like to think we are worth our weight in gold , to a company we are only worth the minimum they can’t get away with paying us & as there is a minimum wage set by government this is what they are aiming for and as more and more people are made redundant they have us over a barrel either work for that or don’t work a tall , because somebody else will do it…
I see more and more positions advertised where OT is only paid only at rate & quarter instead of rate and a half as it always used to be. Sundays at rate and a half instead of double as it used to be. Obviously drivers have been accepting this.
You really are your own worst enemy some times.
jessicas dad:
selby newcomer:
I don’t know how true this is, but I was chatting to a lad that used to drive for sainsburys out of Sherborne, he was an agency driver. He said that the full time sainsburys drivers don’t get overtime paid if they do anymore than 20 hours overtime a month, any overtime over 20 hours gets banked for them. He said some drivers have over 90 hours banked that they can’t get paid as they can only get paid a max of 20 hours OT a month. Also said a driver left a while ago who was owed loads in banked overtime and he had to threaten to take them to court to get it.Probably a load of rubbish he was chatting
ive heard that as well. they would rather you do 44 hrs than the 48 so you dont get any overtime.
Does Overtime not start after 40 Hour?
Think 8 Hour a Shift with 2 Day off.
selby newcomer:
I don’t know how true this is, but I was chatting to a lad that used to drive for sainsburys out of Sherborne, he was an agency driver. He said that the full time sainsburys drivers don’t get overtime paid if they do anymore than 20 hours overtime a month, any overtime over 20 hours gets banked for them. He said some drivers have over 90 hours banked that they can’t get paid as they can only get paid a max of 20 hours OT a month. Also said a driver left a while ago who was owed loads in banked overtime and he had to threaten to take them to court to get it.Probably a load of rubbish he was chatting
If anyone had 90 hours banked, then surely that has built up over a number of weeks? 
So a firm on one week demands say, 5x12 hours out of you monday-friday and you get to thursday having already done 48 hours that week, how come they are legal in demanding you work friday as well? Getting friday off in this circumstance should be the LAW at this point eh? 
If firms are permitted to force people to work without pay, then isn’t that illegal under the 1833 Slavery Abolition Act ? 
In the event of building up at 4 hours per week, then the firm seems to be in default after 28 days, since you are driving whilst off-duty (since you’re not being paid for the tail end of each day)
The firm tries to get around it by taking it in this instance in small dribs and drabs, hoping that you’ll just let them have that time for free… 
Ok for them, until you have an accident, and it occurs in the last few hours of a friday, and you’re already beyond your duty cut-off time!?
You still occasionally see on the back of london buses:-
DRIVERS REQUIRED - £500 PER WEEK (with overtime)
£500 for working in London for maxed out hours is rubbish. It is also rubbish for the rest of the country, but the will to hold out for decent wages seems to fall as one gets further from London. 
the coop at eccelshall never paid overtime, but gave you days off for hours gained over 16weeks… 
Driveroneuk:
I see more and more positions advertised where OT is only paid only at rate & quarter instead of rate and a half as it always used to be. Sundays at rate and a half instead of double as it used to be. Obviously drivers have been accepting this.
You really are your own worst enemy some times.
Jobs got more and more cut throat, the employer has to offer his customer a good incentive to get the work, and if that means cutting his labour rates then so be it,
The driver is at the bottom of the ladder, and TBH if a cut in overtime keeps me my job and roof over my head then I will take it, Pointless wanting time n half if there is no job there paying it.
Its alright giving it t’internet bravado saying drivers are their own worst enemy, but I would rather work single rate right through than no work no rate
Yes, we are the same, can’t and won’t mention company but I do a full shift worth 10 hours and more every week for no pay just to keep the job. live in hope maybe one day if the time comes i won’t be laid off, or even heaven forbid get a wage rise.
No point complaining we are all in the same boat, still afloat.
Here is how my annualised hours contract works
Need to work cant remember exact figure something like 2300 hours per year, roughly 50 hours per week. I get paid the exact same every month weather i do 1 hour or 70 hours.
If i work 51 hours a week 1 hour goes into my bank, if i work 49 hours 1 hour gets taken out my bank.
The bank is emptied every 6 months unless you owe the bank then it carries over. So if i have +10 in the bank i get 10hours wages.
If you have more than 9 hours in the bank you can get a non attendance day which will cost you 9hours from your bank.
Overtime does not exist unless it is a red circle shift and you can only do red circle shifts if you’re in + with the bank.
Red circle shifts are about £1 extra unless you do a sunday night shift and it jumps to an extra £5 quid an hour Red circles are paid every month instead of 6 months.
I get 33 holidays per year, if i want Christmas day i have to apply for it, no time and half for bank holidays etc this does not exist.
They have you by the curlies but it is strangely reassuring knowing your paypacket remains the same even during the quiet times.
So when im doing 49mph on motorways its not cause im paid by the hour its cause i probably owe the bank a ■■■■■■■■ of hours 