Overstaffing at the Beeb

muckles:

Muckaway:
Why do the commentary team change after 20 odd minutes for football, then change back after half time, then another change for the last 20 odd minutes? TV commentators do the whole match.
“Expert analysis” usually done by an out of work manager…If he’s such an expert why was he sacked? Bit like Martin Brundle and David Coulthard doing F1; How many titles did you two win?

Can’t really comment about the football, but although Martin Brundle and David Coultard have never one an F1 Championship, they both have a wealth of motorsport experience from the sharp end, that a normal commentator can’t have. It would be very difficult to get a British Ex F1 Champion to do it as there are only 4 alive, 2 are still driving and the other 2 would probably be worse commentators. :laughing:
Personally I think the BBC’s coverage of F1 has been brilliant, especially when you compare it to what ITV were doing a few years back.

Ain’t that the truth. ITV are pretty poor at all sports coverage IMHO.

I’m sorry but if you can’t find something you like in that amazing array of stations and all you want is easy listening then maybe you should head over to Heart FM, or Smooth FM. I think your looking for what you want in the wrong places, I imagine you are well out of Radio 1’s target audience.

You correct to asume that I am out of Radio 1 target. (just slightly :grimacing: :grimacing: )
Try to listen to Radio 2 onm a Sunday night its defiantly classical music.
Smooth Radio and Heart FM is missing the point, I am one of these 22.000.000 million households who pay for the Beeb.
so they should play the music I want, if they don’t than they should stop asking me for money.

By the way BBC World Service is nothing unique, the Dutch (while a ■■■■■■ wet small country) have a world radio not unlike BBC World Service, but…they also present it in several different languages so that people around these Dutch people abroud are able to understand instead of being kept out.

De Dutch already do this since 1918, the extrem longwave connection (17.85 kilometer) Kootwijk (NL) to Bandoeng (Indonesia) is famous.

again nothing new, nothing better

And maybe Dutch radio is boring, everything is flat in Holland, the country, behavior, taste of food etc.) the advantage was that you can leave you radio on one station (up to Koblenz) and have day and night good International music.
(we use to have a radio in our workshop at home, and both buttons for Channel and volume where cut off, so you couldn’t change it, that says it all) :grimacing: :grimacing:

caledoniandream:
By the way BBC World Service is nothing unique, the Dutch (while a [zb] wet small country) have a world radio not unlike BBC World Service, but…they also present it in several different languages so that people around these Dutch people abroud are able to understand instead of being kept out.

I’ll see your several and raise you to 27. :wink:

Besides English, the BBC World Service broadcasts in

  • Arabic
  • Azeri
  • Bengali
  • Burmese
  • Cantonese
  • French for Africa
  • Hausa
  • Hindi
  • Indonesian
  • Rwanda-Rundi
  • Kyrgyz
  • Mandarin
  • Nepali
  • Pashto
  • Persian
  • Portuguese for Brazil
  • Russian
  • Sinhala
  • Somali
  • Spanish for Latin America
  • Swahili
  • Tamil
  • Turkish
  • Ukrainian
  • Urdu
  • Uzbek
  • Vietnamese

The World service does broadcast in several langauges as Coffeeholic has posted and I was going to.

The German broadcasts were stopped in March 1999 after 60 years, as research showed that the majority of German listeners tuned in to the English version. Broadcasts in Dutch, Finnish, French for Europe, Hebrew, Italian, Japanese and Malay were stopped for similar reasons.

It did broadcast in Dutch, but we can’t help it if all you Dutch speak such good English we can broadcast to you in our langauge. :laughing:

caledoniandream:
By the way BBC World Service is nothing unique, the Dutch (while a [zb] wet small country) have a world radio not unlike BBC World Service, but…they also present it in several different languages so that people around these Dutch people abroud are able to understand instead of being kept out.

De Dutch already do this since 1918, the extrem longwave connection (17.85 kilometer) Kootwijk (NL) to Bandoeng (Indonesia) is famous.

again nothing new, nothing better

I’m sorry but the World Service is the best in the world at what it does. It has no rivals. The Americans would kill for a broadcaster as well respected and widespread as the BBC World Service. And has been mentioned they do a lot more than ‘several’ languages. We are just a damp little island off the coast of Europe but we still, just, pack a punch around the world, and that’s in no small part due to the BBC.

You appear to have a very narrow view of what BBC radio stations provide. I suggest you try more of them, maybe 6 Music. It’s not easy listening but the music is completely stunning.

Again, the BBC is a bargain, an absolute bargain. And yes its a tax, so what? Your neighbours may chuck more rubbish out than you, do you want them to pay more council tax? Or you less? You don’t pay road tax on your car for the miles you do. And so on and so forth.

Oh and something is often forgotten, you pay for commercial stations too, in the price of the products you buy. Advertising doesn’t come for free.

caledoniandream:
so they should play the music I want, if they don’t than they should stop asking me for money.

Just re read your post and I’m sorry but that viewpoint is pathetic and narrow minded

switchlogic:

caledoniandream:
so they should play the music I want, if they don’t than they should stop asking me for money.

Just re read your post and I’m sorry but that viewpoint is pathetic and narrow minded

Because its not your vision■■?
I am a great believer in paying for what you want, I believe in private health insurance, I would like to pay for the amount of waste (let them weigh it) I dump and not for anybody else’s waste, I believe in water meters and your waste water tax based on that, I believe in road tax added to the fuel, and you pay for the part you would use, why do you want to pay for everybody else.
You wouldn’t go to a shop and pay for things you DONT get, would you? Or is that pathetic and narrow minded? And you would pay for that?

And we are lucky in Britain with one of the lowest taxes around, but I dont like to pay for what I don’t want.

Question: does the BBC have an open book so we can see where our money goes, and are we as the shareholders (we pay it in the end) able to vote for the people to take a seat in the board of the BBC?

caledoniandream:

switchlogic:

caledoniandream:
so they should play the music I want, if they don’t than they should stop asking me for money.

Just re read your post and I’m sorry but that viewpoint is pathetic and narrow minded

Because its not your vision■■?
I am a great believer in paying for what you want, I believe in private health insurance

Ok well I think you may be living in the wrong country then, maybe the US would suit you more. I’m proud that we create institutions in the UK that benefit the greater good. Like the NHS and the BBC. I’m a bit of a socialist, I hate the ‘I’m alright jack sod the rest of you’ attitude some have. You just have to look at the US to see how private health care works. Fantastic for the people with money, sometimes. But then even the people with insurance can be failed massively. Like the woman recently who needed a kidney transplant that the insurance company were arguing about. They finally said yes they would pay, 2 hours later she was dead.

We are greater if we work together. I’m a great believer in everybody helping each other.

Re F1 coverage, yes I agree BBC is better at it as there’s always a crash or a retirement when ITV decide to go to ad break. Is it going to Sky? If so I shaln’t be watching, I’ll stick with YouTube for crashes and highlights of yesteryear…I used to be into football but not since ppv thanks very much. Coffeeholic I take your point about radio commentators for football, but they do this for Oxford United…there isn’t that much to describe but they have a go :laughing:

Muckaway:
Re F1 coverage, yes I agree BBC is better at it as there’s always a crash or a retirement when ITV decide to go to ad break. Is it going to Sky? If so I shaln’t be watching, I’ll stick with YouTube for crashes and highlights of yesteryear…I used to be into football but not since ppv thanks very much. Coffeeholic I take your point about radio commentators for football, but they do this for Oxford United…there isn’t that much to describe but they have a go :laughing:

Yes it is going to Sky, but the BBC will show 10 races live and the rest as highlights, but they’ve lost Brundle to Sky.

To be honest with that much coverage on the BBC I wonder how many people will get Sky just for the other 10 races live?

You’ve made a point about not liking the F1 coverage on ITV due to them cutting to adverts at a critical moment, (for me this wasn’t the only problem with thier coverage) and not willing to to go to PPV. So basically isn’t £2.80 per week good value for no adverts and a dam site cheaper than PPV?

caledoniandream:

switchlogic:

caledoniandream:
so they should play the music I want, if they don’t than they should stop asking me for money.

Just re read your post and I’m sorry but that viewpoint is pathetic and narrow minded

Because its not your vision■■?
I am a great believer in paying for what you want, I believe in private health insurance, I would like to pay for the amount of waste (let them weigh it) I dump and not for anybody else’s waste, I believe in water meters and your waste water tax based on that, I believe in road tax added to the fuel, and you pay for the part you would use, why do you want to pay for everybody else.
You wouldn’t go to a shop and pay for things you DONT get, would you? Or is that pathetic and narrow minded? And you would pay for that?

And we are lucky in Britain with one of the lowest taxes around, but I dont like to pay for what I don’t want.

Question: does the BBC have an open book so we can see where our money goes, and are we as the shareholders (we pay it in the end) able to vote for the people to take a seat in the board of the BBC?

If you don’t want to pay for the BBC and just pay for what you want, then get an Ipod and Laptop or Ipad. Just download the music and programmes you want to listen to or watch. You could stick your ipod on in the car and then you’ll only get the music you want. But I bet it costs you far more than paying for a TV licence.

As for health care insurance, I know plenty of people like to knock the NHS, but my Dad needed a lot of care in his last years and the NHS provided it and it was top quality. I wonder how long any insurance policy would have provided for him. I don’t know a great deal about the US system, but I know a lot of health schemes is part of your job, lose your job lose your health benefits. Just makes your job loss even more stressfull than it already is.

The problem is that even you let say would never watch the BBC, but only the commercial stations, you still need to,pay for your license if you have a tv or radio.

Regarding the NHS, my missus is chronically I’ll, been true a very bad patch and actualy will never get better.
But while the NHS was a couple of years ago a fantastic system, there is no competition, no control, no push to do it better.
There are a lot of hard working people there who keep it going, but there is no incentive for the hospitals to be better cleaner etc.
It’s also disappointing that when my missus had to be taken in an emergency, a couple of month ago, that there was only a Hungarian doctor available and 2 nurses from Ghana. Al of them spoke poor English, and if somebody needs a high doses of certain painkillers and is allergic to,other ones you like that somebody speaks at least the lingo fluently and doesn’t have any problems to understand what is been said.

If the system was privatised there would be some competition between hospitals to get customers in (you as patient) so the push to be the best, the cleanest etc would be there.
This system works in a lot Europeen countries, and in a good set up of a social system the poor get a good service as the rich. (same here, the rich get a better service as the poor, or do you think Prince Phillip, while in a NHS hospital got the same service as that junkie that they lifted out the gutter??)
US is not a good example because they don’t have a social security system to protect anybody, but Norway, Sweden and even Holland who use to have a NHS kind of system realised that the sell by date is gone, started private insurance, and the government still insures the poor and old.

Muckaway:
Why do the commentary team change after 20 odd minutes for football, then change back after half time, then another change for the last 20 odd minutes? TV commentators do the whole match.
“Expert analysis” usually done by an out of work manager…If he’s such an expert why was he sacked? Bit like Martin Brundle and David Coulthard doing F1; How many titles did you two win?

What is "urban music? "Is it the crap that bangs out of a Corsa with badly tinted windows, that’s driven by a kid with his cap on back to front, choking on his Argos necklace (with a padlock on the end)

You mean Turban music :laughing:

Wheel Nut:
What is "urban music? "Is it the crap that bangs out of a Corsa with badly tinted windows, that’s driven by a kid with his cap on back to front, choking on his Argos necklace (with a padlock on the end)

You mean Turban music :laughing:
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:laughing: You know what R & B really stands for; “Rubbish & Black” :laughing:

caledoniandream:
If the system was privatised there would be some competition between hospitals to get customers in (you as patient) so the push to be the best, the cleanest etc would be there.
This system works in a lot Europeen countries, and in a good set up of a social system the poor get a good service as the rich. (same here, the rich get a better service as the poor, or do you think Prince Phillip, while in a NHS hospital got the same service as that junkie that they lifted out the gutter??)

But I’m afraid having things run by private companies often isn’t the answer. The quest for profit doesn’t always make things better. Just look at care homes. And yes, the junkie may may wait longer but he’d still get a good service. Are you honestly saying in Holland a royal would have to wait in queue with everybody else?

It’s brilliant…Praising the BBC and the NHS. Yet earn your corn, pay tax in another country and pass through ours,and disagree with our opinions! :laughing:

bigvern1:
It’s brilliant…Praising the BBC and the NHS. Yet earn your corn, pay tax in another country and pass through ours,and disagree with our opinions! :laughing:

I take it you know all about my tax affairs then and where I spend my money? You don’t so try shutting up sometimes. ‘Our’ opinions? I didn’t give up my nationality at the border you tool. Plus you haven’t expressed an opinion on this thread.

Oh yeah I suppose I’d better put a :wink: at the end. There ya go.

Switchlogic has said on another thread that I need to lighten up a bit and so in keeping with this thread I reckon Joanna Gosling likes it doggy fashion. And I bet she don’t come, she arrives. :open_mouth: :laughing:

Muckaway:
Switchlogic has said on another thread that I need to lighten up a bit and so in keeping with this thread I reckon Joanna Gosling likes it doggy fashion. And I bet she don’t come, she arrives. :open_mouth: :laughing:

Hahaha…

I love Radio four but even I’m getting fed up with the negative news agenda (that keeps them all in a job).

That and the endless need to air adverts for their own fekkin programmes…

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That louise Minchin: Her knockers are worth the license fee but I reckon the best rodeo rider would be Suzanna Reid…