Operating a british truck from Eastern Europe

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Something for you guys, related to the famous British Driving Standards.

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harvey69:
i was in fradley tescos thursday night when a young lad backed under his trailor. he got out to check the height of the unit as so i thought then pulled back a bit more then o took no notice of him till i heard an almighty crash. yes you have guessed he pulled out the unit went right the trailor went straight on what a mess it made tescos mangement was all over him spoke to him after and he said he was practically given the licence and had not been shown how to connect up properly i find this hard to believe

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limeyphil:
The Army HGV training is done by a civilian company, But it is very basic compared to ours.
Most of the officers don’t even get in a lorry, They are simply signed off and given a licence. They are not expected to use it, They just need it, Otherwise how can they order someone to do something that they arn’t licenced to do themselves.
In times of war, The instruction is even more basic. You may be in a carda of 30 men, and only 5 will get to drive.
It was an instructor that told me this.

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I just LOVE it. All these times you were telling crap about that in Poland they give you licences without even touching the truck, and suddendly it turns out that the fact is true, except that it happens in your country, not in mine… In the wild countries of Eastern Europe, if one is in army, he can have a driving school done there, but then he is send to ordinary examination centre where he has to pass his test with everyone else… On my first test we had 2 soldiers in uniform in my group. :sunglasses:

On a more serious note, I belive that what limeyphil says is just another myth, as Conor in the other thread explains that soldiers take a proper training. I would rather believe in that, Britain is almost as civilised as Poland when it comes to driver training… :smiling_imp:

But I really like that bit:

mike68:
The driver carries only a small proportion of the blame

So when British driver does something wrong it’s not his fault. :unamused:

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I remember someone on a forum not too far from here. Trying to scrounge a lift when planning to return home to Poland, after being scared of a beating. :wink: Funny that he asked UK forum drivers to bail him out. Now the offer of a free lift to Dover is being rejected. Funny how things change eh? :unamused:

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FFS Vern, that means we are stuck with the font of all knowledge of the perfection that is Poland, all the UK’s ills would disappear overnight if he were in Westminster.

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Orys you’re a [zb], dont use me as an example in your pathetic one man crusade. Now remove my pictures, I did not and most certainly do not give you permission to use them. You’ve over stepped the mark and I’ve reported your post.

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Bout time he was put in his place, good on yer :slight_smile:

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Bigvern1: Can’t see how my private afairs can be tied to the topic of that discussion?

Raymundo: You are boring, I never told that Poland is perfect.

Switchlogic: I am sorry that I used example from the publicly available website, promoted widely on that forum and facebook… :unamused: Apart from that: Why shoulnd’t I? Are you not happy that your misluck help me to show how stupid is Harry’s statement that even British drivers made mistakes?

DenisF: I linked the pictures, I did not copied them. And also I did not used any of Lukes text, I just linked the source and in short way described how, according to his own record, he ended in that misfortunate situation.

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orys:
Are you not happy that your misluck help me to show how stupid is Harry’s statement that even British drivers made mistakes?

What the ■■■■ do you think? You really think I want numpties like you reminding me about the worst day of my life simply to score cheap points on a forum? No, of course I dont. The only reason any of that is online is because I had no choice but to come clean. Doesn’t mean I want to be reminded about it 10 months later. You’re rapidily disappearing up your own ego with your over written bull[■■■■]

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switchlogic:

orys:
Are you not happy that your misluck help me to show how stupid is Harry’s statement that even British drivers made mistakes?

What the [zb] do you think? You really think I want numpties like you reminding me about the worst day of my life simply to score cheap points on a forum? No, of course I dont. The only reason any of that is online is because I had no choice but to come clean. Doesn’t mean I want to be reminded about it 10 months later. You’re rapidily disappearing up your own ego with your over written bull[[zb]]

So I thought… I bet if I linked other bit of your forum to show how great example of superiour British driver you are, you would not have any issues with that…

But you know, going public has ups and down. You put it public, you have to be aware, that people will be discussing it. So I am sorry if that made you feel bad, but I did nothing wrong.

And, btw, maybe if you just accepted that everyone does mistakes, you won’t feel so bad about this? I was in the ditch as well, and I have no problem with that: ■■■■ happens. But to that you have to accept that you are not perfect…

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Why dont you just sod off you pompous ridiculous ■■■. You come on here with your stupid essays trying to blind everyone with your superior ‘intelligence’ and drag everyone down yet most of us can see through you, you’re no different to Carryfast and his daft essays. I tried to give you friendly advice but you won’t take it because you’re so pig headed. You seemingly can’t even understand why using my incident to score cheap points upsets me, which just shows how self obsessed you are with no regard to others or how they feel. As for linking to my site where is shows what a superior British driver I am, are your for ■■■■■■■ real? You seem to have no idea about my site if you think anything like that is on there. Honestly I’d rather you never ever link to anything on my site ever again and just forget i exist because i won’t be interacting with you on this forum again i promise you that.

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switchlogic:
Why dont you just sod off you pompous ridiculous ■■■. You come on here with your stupid essays trying to blind everyone with your superior ‘intelligence’ and drag everyone down yet most of us can see through you, you’re no different to Carryfast and his daft essays. I tried to give you friendly advice but you won’t take it because you’re so pig headed. You seemingly can’t even understand why using my incident to score cheap points upsets me, which just shows how self obsessed you are with no regard to others or how they feel. As for linking to my site where is shows what a superior British driver I am, are your for [zb] real? You seem to have no idea about my site if you think anything like that is on there. Honestly I’d rather you never ever link to anything on my site ever again and just forget i exist because i won’t be interacting with you on this forum again i promise you that.

Yeah… Someone here has some issues for sure… Are these British standards of polite discussion?

Don’t worry, your website (that I visited on some occasions) is mostly about YOU, since we don’t discuss YOU on everyday basis, I don’t think I will need to link to it again.

I also thank you for your advice again, I saw your point, but as I already explained, for certain reason I will rather do it my way. Maybe it would be good for you to know, that if someone does not doing as you think he should, that does not makes him pig head.

Thanks for the nice bits of our Trucknet discussions and good luck with everything.

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To sum the things up.

Everyone who was bothered to read that post can clearly see (if he chooses to have his eyes open) that it’s a “battle” between me, providing fact, links, explanations and not hesistating to admit when there is something wrong on the part of my fellow Eastern European people and accepting in full that influx of the Eastern European drivers and hauliers had a significant influence on the sitiuation on the British market. I simply want to put the things in proper context and give the real weight to the facts and observations.

On the other hand we have few people who try to persuade me that Poles can’t drive, are working for bowl of cabbage soup, cannot drive and are idiots in general. Some try a discussion (and, like in Hutpiks case made some valid point, that I agree with, altough I am happy to prove some background that show these facts in different light), some just abuse me. The latter ones are a beautiful account of how British closeminded people prefere their myths over the facts and how they are virtually argumentationproof. They just need the comfort of they safety cocoon of superior Britain, when they don’t bare any blame for anything that happen to them, and it’s all due to that inferior “other”.

Recent twist in the discussion with harrys racist remarks on Poles being to stupid to be able to operate any machinery and switchlogic’s rage when I used his example to show that even Britons make mistakes I think sum it up to such extend that there is no further point in discussions (especially, that the serious, open minded discutants left the thread long time ago, and I just continue my discussion with them on PM).

The amount of abuse I got from some people who are still in this discussion is ubelievable and in my opinion is a further confirmation that some of Britons just can’t stand not only critics of their country but even that anyone says something good at other country than Britiain. Therefore I am off from discussion, you are welcome to discuss some aspects further in private, if you wish, but on a first word of abuse the PM will be deleted without reading it further.

I would like again apologize to luke (not that I think that he will able to accept it) for that I reminded him of this painful day in his career, but I still stand on the point that I did nothing wrong by using the information from the publicly available (and widely promoted) website.

I would like also to thank the people who supported me, even thought they often did not had a courage to face the closeminded bigots on open forum.

And since I did all what I could to use argumentation to open some closed minds, and I failed, I just give up on these few, being happy that I managed to open minds of some other particicipants in that discussion, that even though they often have different views to mine, keep open mind and accept some facts. From now on, I will report to the mods every hateful speech I will encounter on trucknet, just as I did with Harrys post here.

Hereby I am unsuscribing from this topic, so my good buy will be real, unlike some other’s people.

Thank you for your time, I learned a lot about British biggotry, this thread was read by some British people from outside trucking community and it was an eye opener for them. I might want to use it in the article I am writing in cooperation with one Scottish journalist, in that case I will off course individually ask for permition to use your quotes, as forum rules state.

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What a beautiful Oscar acceptance speech, brought a tear to my eye. Pompous much?

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@orys have you unsubscribed from TNUK or just this one thread :question:

Regards
Dave Penn;

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luke i think it nearly ranked along side damian lewis acceptance speech the other night :smiley:

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orys:
To sum the things up.

The OP asked about operating a truck from Eastern Europe, wherby you decided to make every excuse for them being able to operate cheaper.

orys:
Everyone who was bothered to read that post can clearly see (if he chooses to have his eyes open) that it’s a “battle” between me, providing fact, links, explanations and not hesistating to admit when there is something wrong on the part of my fellow Eastern European people …

Thats when the conversation wanders to the more general theme of European competition.

orys:
They just need the comfort of they safety cocoon of superior Britain, when they don’t bare any blame for anything that happen to them, and it’s all due to that inferior “other”.

Something thats borne as true when we look at the worlds residents who want to come here and do come here to be under that safe cocoon.

orys:
Recent twist in the discussion with harrys racist remarks on Poles being to stupid to be able to operate any machinery and switchlogic’s rage when I used his example to show that even Britons make mistakes I think sum it up to such extend that there is no further point in discussions (especially, that the serious, open minded discutants left the thread long time ago, and I just continue my discussion with them on PM).

More fool you. WHat your problem here is Orys is that in your quest to remain superior you will invole other posters, bizzarley they don’t thank you for it.

orys:
The amount of abuse I got from some people who are still in this discussion is ubelievable and in my opinion is a further confirmation that some of Britons just can’t stand not only critics of their country but even that anyone says something good at other country than Britiain. Therefore I am off from discussion, you are welcome to discuss some aspects further in private, if you wish, but on a first word of abuse the PM will be deleted without reading it further.

NO !! ANyone bad mouthing Poland will be deleted but its ok to bad mouth UK?

orys:
Hereby I am unsuscribing from this topic, so my good buy will be real, unlike some other’s people.

You can still read it though.

orys:
Thank you for your time, I learned a lot about British biggotry, this thread was read by some British people from outside trucking community and it was an eye opener for them. I might want to use it in the article I am writing in cooperation with one Scottish journalist, in that case I will off course individually ask for permition to use your quotes, as forum rules state.

Thank you Orys for your time,i learned a lot about Polish people, even how they still hold the Yalta agreement to hand. And to be honest Orys, if we took notice of everything from history then we would be sorry for the slave trade, the irish potatoe famine,workhouses, orphanages,colonialsim and lots more, we’ll all go flog ourselves to death for it and you lot can just jump on the bandwagon !! Oh, and you’re a journalist. Good one !!!

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I think this thread has run it’s course and now degenerating into a slanging match, Orys will forever blame everyone else for every thing that’s poxy about eastern europe so cant someone please lock this thread soon.
He called me boring, have you read his replys FFS :unamused:

I’m off to bed so ninite

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What a load of long-winded monkey bollox. Orys your statements just go on & on & on & on…zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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I love Poland and Polish people…Delete THAT! :smiley:

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Shame Orys had to go :cry:

I have a simple question that will undo all his propaganda :sunglasses:

If lorry drivers from Poland are as fantastic as he says, why do they all wear knock off shiny four stripe Adidas track suits :question:

Surely, as good as they are, they would have a bit of sartorial elegance about them :bulb:

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newmercman:
Surely, as good as they are, they would have a bit of sartorial elegance about them :bulb:

Genius! I may not be the greatest driver in the word but at least I dont own a tracksuit!