Buckstones:
What about those drivers who creep about on single carriageway roads 10 mph under the limit, in cars well capable of reaching and exceeding it?
More of a nuisance than vehicles with mechanical limitations, because there seem to be lots of them.
35 mph on that piece of road is a bit more than just 10 mph under the limit even for trucks let alone cars ?.It ‘should’ be seen as a case of driving without consideration for other road users whether it’s muppet car drivers or trying to save a few bob in driving a tractor along there which could have been carried on a truck.Or needlessly driving a bus that’s designed for mainly 30 mph town environments and which,as I’ve said,was actually modified to deal with that known issue in the day.But no it’s so much better to go out causing more needless aggro on the roads when they already filled with enough muppets as it is.
No, it is being behind the wheel while physically present and mentally absent which constitutes driving without consideration for other road users.
The no 1 priority is look where you are ■■■■■■■ going, rather than drift along in a daze with no appreciation of quite how fast you are going while paying no attention to what is happening around you. Plenty of lorries pull out of various services, eg the Blue Boar on the northbound M1, into lane one at around 30 mph, it is up to drivers to be aware that there may be a slower moving vehicle in their lane. If they weren’t right up the arse of the vehicle in front then they would be able to see ahead.
I don’t think I would like to be sat on the top of a RM doing 70mph, not unless it had modifications to the steering and brakes as well as the engine and diff upgrade.
One thing to consider too, speed limits are just that, limits, not targets, not a suggested speed, but the fastest you can go on that particular stretch of road. Yeah I know all the arguments, so don’t waste time and energy spelling them out and it ■■■■■■ me off when someone is dawdling along 10mph under the posted limit, but that’s my problem, not theirs, not in the eyes of the law anyway and as Al Murray once said, what would we be without laws? French…
newmercman:
I don’t think I would like to be sat on the top of a RM doing 70mph, not unless it had modifications to the steering and brakes as well as the engine and diff upgrade.
One thing to consider too, speed limits are just that, limits, not targets, not a suggested speed, but the fastest you can go on that particular stretch of road. Yeah I know all the arguments, so don’t waste time and energy spelling them out and it ■■■■■■ me off when someone is dawdling along 10mph under the posted limit, but that’s my problem, not theirs, not in the eyes of the law anyway and as Al Murray once said, what would we be without laws? French…
It wasn’t 10 mph under the limit.It seems to have been 35 mph under the car limit and 15 mph under the truck limit. I wasn’t saying drive an RM at 70 mph just maintain the same 50 mph as expected of other large vehicle types.On that note one of the main reasons why ‘speeding’ is regarded as being more unacceptable in recent times is because the lowest denominator of road user isn’t expecting big speed differentials.It shouldn’t be any surprise when that’s reversed to them approaching something running at silly low speeds.At least when there is absolutely no need for it as in this case with the result of driving excessively slow vehicles at 35 mph in 70 mph limits being all too foreseeable sooner or later.
You can’t blame the bus for this at all, the only reasons for the car running into it are lack of awareness through a distraction of some kind or complete stupidity. There isn’t a third option.
AndrewG:
Only just down the road from my house. Eyesight must be completely shot not to see a big red bus in front of him/her…
Are you back with Jack Richards ?
Jack Richards, no mate I still have my house in the UK but its on long term rent, its St.Williams way, Norwich which isnt far from the crash on the bypass…
Beau Nydel:
Did AndrewG just post using the wrong user name or am I missing something?
Didn’t he say that he still has a house in the UK that he rents out, or is my memory playing tricks?
Youre right Albion,your memory is fine I held onto my house (proved to be the right thing to do) and its been on rent since. I had around half a dozen tenants at first over the years but the current ones have been there 11 years now, very nice people and look after the place, so ive been lucky there…
newmercman:
I don’t think I would like to be sat on the top of a RM doing 70mph, not unless it had modifications to the steering and brakes as well as the engine and diff upgrade.
One thing to consider too, speed limits are just that, limits, not targets, not a suggested speed, but the fastest you can go on that particular stretch of road. Yeah I know all the arguments, so don’t waste time and energy spelling them out and it ■■■■■■ me off when someone is dawdling along 10mph under the posted limit, but that’s my problem, not theirs, not in the eyes of the law anyway and as Al Murray once said, what would we be without laws? French…
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The ones that remained in service after the 90s hade a major overhaul and were fitted with either ■■■■■■■ Scania or Iveco engines this is one as it has the lager rear lights they also fitted.
Guess due to gearing it could still have a low top speed though.
newmercman:
You can’t blame the bus for this at all, the only reasons for the car running into it are lack of awareness through a distraction of some kind or complete stupidity. There isn’t a third option.
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Correct answer. The lack of speed is irrelevant. That bus could have been a tractor and trailer, would have been travelling even slower, and the outcome for the car driver likely to be worse. Could have been a cycle, if the car driver couldn’t see that Routemaster in broad daylight, no chance for a cyclist.
Bernard
Beau Nydel:
Did AndrewG just post using the wrong user name or am I missing something?
Didn’t he say that he still has a house in the UK that he rents out, or is my memory playing tricks?
Youre right Albion,your memory is fine I held onto my house (proved to be the right thing to do) and its been on rent since. I had around half a dozen tenants at first over the years but the current ones have been there 11 years now, very nice people and look after the place, so ive been lucky there…
It should be pretty easy to understand, we live in spain and have our own villa in Nerja (60km east of Malaga (Calle Coin Buganvillas) but i didnt sell my house in the UK, its been rented out for the past 20years hence my comment ‘near my house’. There really is nothing special (some obviously think there is) re living in Espana. Renting a place out in another country be it permanent residential or holiday let is also very easy, i just use a letting agent and pay a gardener /diy guy for any upkeep. Only thing i had to come back for in the past was to organise new windows and doors which were beyond the sell by date.
If anyone really needs to street view it…111 st. Williams Way, Thorpe St. Andrew NR7 0AN which is very near this particular crash site ie Postwick and Trowse. Any queries re myself can easily be answered by a knock on the door,mention this forum though… very friendly people and will be only too happy to help…
newmercman:
I don’t think I would like to be sat on the top of a RM doing 70mph, not unless it had modifications to the steering and brakes as well as the engine and diff upgrade.
The Routemaster coaches which BEA bought to run from the West London Air Terminal to Heathrow Airport were capable of 70 mph, although they very rarely ran at that speed since they usually towed a luggage trailer. These were fitted with a high ratio diff and the larger option AEC engine of the time set at 175 bhp and at the highest rpm setting. This necessitated not just a fully balanced crankshaft, but also a damper which IIRC required a slight modification to the chassis front crossmember to clear it.There were modifications to the steering, but only to minimise steering column shake. These buses also had the alternative Clayton Dewandre full power hydraulic braking system, which was generally regarded as being slightly better than the more common similar Lockheed system. Quite what the upper deck ride would have been like at that speed I don’t know, the short wheelbase RM does pitch a lot at any speed above 30 mph on an uneven road. Modifications to the RM front crossmember tend to have a noticeable effect on handling as felt in the driving seat.
The buses supplied to Northern General were the longer wheelbase variety and all were fitted with Leyland running gear.
The bus in the incident reported was fitted with an Iveco engine, which has an undeserved reputation for being a trifle sluggish; in good condition and properly set up it is as good as any of the other options, in many ways it was the best of the various repower options selected, requiring minimal surgery to fit and did not present the problems other engines created with auxilary systems. If Engineering had had their way then the DAF 1160 would have been selected, however the accountants won the day and only one vehicle was so fitted. The Iveco is a considerably derated, de-turbocharged conversion of a marine engine. In order to prevent it blacking under the hard acceleration needed in city service, when mileage had accumulated the bus companies cut down the fueling and revs . In town this doesn’t matter, but on the open road it does mean that progress is a little slow. Like any engine which has had a long and hard life these Iveco engines tend not to appreciate unauthorised attempts to tweak output without first resorting to a full overhaul. From a drivers perspective the Iveco is a little like an LW Gardner: it runs out of top end revs very quickly.
The popular ■■■■■■■ C series engine which appeared in so many repowers caused no end of problems which were only addressed and partly resolved when the drivers’ Union threatened industrial action unless something was done.
I remember those LHR buses running from the terminal on Brompton Rd. They had doors at the back instead of an open platform and covers on the back wheels.
When I was at school we visited the LT engineering works a couple of times, it was an amazing place, we did the buses, the tube and the PO underground railway too. This was late 70s early 80s and they were all in full swing, definitely the best times of my school days, except for the holidays.
cav551:
The Routemaster coaches which BEA bought to run from the West London Air Terminal to Heathrow Airport were capable of 70 mph, although they very rarely ran at that speed since they usually towed a luggage trailer. These were fitted with a high ratio diff and the larger option AEC engine of the time set at 175 bhp and at the highest rpm setting. This necessitated not just a fully balanced crankshaft, but also a damper which IIRC required a slight modification to the chassis front crossmember to clear it.There were modifications to the steering, but only to minimise steering column shake. These buses also had the alternative Clayton Dewandre full power hydraulic braking system, which was generally regarded as being slightly better than the more common similar Lockheed system. Quite what the upper deck ride would have been like at that speed I don’t know, the short wheelbase RM does pitch a lot at any speed above 30 mph on an uneven road. Modifications to the RM front crossmember tend to have a noticeable effect on handling as felt in the driving seat.
The buses supplied to Northern General were the longer wheelbase variety and all were fitted with Leyland running gear.
The bus in the incident reported was fitted with an Iveco engine, which has an undeserved reputation for being a trifle sluggish; in good condition and properly set up it is as good as any of the other options, in many ways it was the best of the various repower options selected, requiring minimal surgery to fit and did not present the problems other engines created with auxilary systems. If Engineering had had their way then the DAF 1160 would have been selected, however the accountants won the day and only one vehicle was so fitted. The Iveco is a considerably derated, de-turbocharged conversion of a marine engine. In order to prevent it blacking under the hard acceleration needed in city service, when mileage had accumulated the bus companies cut down the fueling and revs . In town this doesn’t matter, but on the open road it does mean that progress is a little slow. Like any engine which has had a long and hard life these Iveco engines tend not to appreciate unauthorised attempts to tweak output without first resorting to a full overhaul. From a drivers perspective the Iveco is a little like an LW Gardner: it runs out of top end revs very quickly.
The popular ■■■■■■■ C series engine which appeared in so many repowers caused no end of problems which were only addressed and partly resolved when the drivers’ Union threatened industrial action unless something was done.
Seems to defeat the object.If people want to enjoy the historic vehicle experience then surely it takes the real thing ?.Just listen to it.
They was refurbished to extend there service life which was way beyond what they was designed for. AEC had seen out of business for the best part of 20 years by then so there’s plenty that we’re saved but up dated
It should be pretty easy to understand, we live in spain and have our own villa in Nerja (60km east of Malaga (Calle Coin Buganvillas) but i didnt sell my house in the UK, its been rented out for the past 20years hence my comment ‘near my house’. There really is nothing special (some obviously think there is) re living in Espana. Renting a place out in another country be it permanent residential or holiday let is also very easy, i just use a letting agent and pay a gardener /diy guy for any upkeep. Only thing i had to come back for in the past was to organise new windows and doors which were beyond the sell by date.
If anyone really needs to street view it…111 st. Williams Way, Thorpe St. Andrew NR7 0AN which is very near this particular crash site ie Postwick and Trowse. Any queries re myself can easily be answered by a knock on the door,mention this forum though… very friendly people and will be only too happy to help…
I wasn’t saying drive an RM at 70 mph just maintain the same 50 mph as expected of other large vehicle types.On that note one of the main reasons why ‘speeding’ is regarded as being more unacceptable in recent times is because the lowest denominator of road user isn’t expecting big speed differentials.It shouldn’t be any surprise when that’s reversed to them approaching something running at silly low speeds.At least when there is absolutely no need for it as in this case with the result of driving excessively slow vehicles at 35 mph in 70 mph limits being all too foreseeable sooner or later.
I still have my house in the UK but its on long term rent, its St.Williams way, Norwich which isnt far from the crash on the bypass…
I held onto my house (proved to be the right thing to do) and its been on rent since. I had around half a dozen tenants at first over the years but the current ones have been there 11 years now, very nice people and look after the place, so ive been lucky there…