No wonder they keep getting killed

AHT:

Silver_Surfer:
He may have as much right to be there but that thought won’t comfort him when he’s smeared up the side of someone’s cab because of inadequate luminous clothing and lighting.

That’s why people who drive vehicles on the road have to pass a test and are supposed to be competent to do so without causing injury this extends to adjusting ones speed to make sure that the vehicle can be safely stopped in the area of road that is known to be clear

Again, that’s all well & good but that thought won’t comfort him…

Do you see what I’m getting at>

You use 3 or 4 lights and presumably bright hi viz clothing when cycling at night so this isn’t really directed at you. More so the pedestrians in dark clothing wondering around in the dark on an unlit road without flashing lights attached to the back of their heads. :laughing:

Chester wrote "
While they drive like this I’ll not be giving any trucker any ounce of respect.

youtube.com/watch?v=tfF95PjAG4Q
"

Yes,

the Romanian truck driver does display a total lack of connection with the music, his actions are staccato, his arm placement is never finished off and he is not spotting properly when he turns his head.

It is almost as if the music we hear on the you tube is not the same as being played in the cab.

I remember Wayne Sleep when his dancing was at a similar immature stage. He had to do a couple of extra years at the Royal Northern Ballet before he passed his Class 1.

when i was taking my HGV lessons i was told there classed as Pigeons not a cyclist :smiley: :smiley:

chester:

beefy4605:
While they ride like this I’ll not be giving any of them an ounce of respect .
http://youtu.be/HLzGj10fg2g

While they drive like this I’ll not be giving any trucker any ounce of respect.

youtube.com/watch?v=tfF95PjAG4Q :smiley:

Things work both ways, although those cyclists were behaving like idiots

AHT:
In my experiance being on a cycle path is far more deangerous then being on the carrageway, they are often coverd in debris such as sticks, they can be very slippery and often have bad pot holes, If you do come off there is a fair change the traffic hasnt seen you at all and you will get hit, also the cycle paths have a habbite of dissaparing at junctions or taking you away from the carrageway meaning you have to try and rejoin it witch is again mroe dangerous then being there in the first place. You make it sound like he/she put you out in some way by making you change lanes when in truth they had as much right to be there as you

And you sound as if every cycle path is more hazardous than riding on the carriageway!

And why have you chosen to list a series of possible hazards on cycle paths, (none of which applied to the one this cyclist was riding parallel to) instead of accepting that not only was this cyclist endangering his own life unnecessarily, but creating an unnecessary hazard for other road users whilst doing it, whilst a perfectly good, purpose made alternative had been provided for him!

Surely if there is a cycle path, it makes logical, not to mention safer sense to use it, instead of taking the entirely selfish option and inconveniencing other road users by insisting they should care more for your safety than you yourselves do.

Yes this cyclist had a right to be there, and it is you who has assumed I was questioning their right. I was merely commenting on their stupidity, given the safer option less than 36" to their left.

Why is it that you, and I assume you’re a cyclist, think that you have some God given right to deliberately put yourselves in mortal danger and as such, have rights and privileges over and above those of other road users.

I refer you to the title of the thread, and suggest in future, you think before you type, as failing to do so, merely confirms what everyone else was thinking.

waddy640:

EastAnglianTrucker:
I’m driving along a short straight on a B road coming out of a small village deep in the heart of Norfolk… but not far from Norwich.

Is there any other type of road in Norfolk?

No! :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

All the more reason you would think, that cyclists would be more aware of the potentially mortal dangers of riding on them.

EastAnglianTrucker:
but what really [zb]'ed me off was right beside him was a purpose built cycle path! What a ■■■■■■!

I think AHT was informing as to why a cyclist may not be using a cycle path, reasonable points I thought. ■■■■■■!!

EastAnglianTrucker:
Fortunately I thought about the children, What a ■■■■■■!

Boooring now :unamused: :unamused:

chester:

EastAnglianTrucker:
but what really [zb]'ed me off was right beside him was a purpose built cycle path! What a ■■■■■■!

I think AHT was informing as to why a cyclist may not be using a cycle path, reasonable points I thought. ■■■■■■!!

Can you explain to me, in terms as simple as yourself, why cycling on an empty, purpose built cycle path is more dangerous than riding on a normally busy two lane road, where vehicles by the very nature of normal everyday life, automatically represent a vastly more lethal environment for cyclists, due to the massively increased risk of collision, which again due to the nature of the vehicles involved is likely to result in severe injury or worse to the cyclist. As Silver_Surfer has quite rightly pointed out, all the rights in the world will mean diddleysquat when you’re dead.

You statement and those of AHT are quite simply perverse in the extreme. Not to mention incredibly inconsiderate and selfish in the extreme!

I wasn’t questioning this guys right to be on the road, and the fact is, as a responsible road user I feel I am overly aware of the potential safety hazards cyclists present. Unfortunately you and he both are undermining my sympathy for those cyclists who refuse to take responsibility for their own safety, relying instead on other, more responsible road users to do it for them.

Or is such patently stupid behaviour, merely an attempt to cash in on an insurance claim, IF you survive the inevitable accident?

AHT:
Everyone is a pedestrian or a cyclist which is a right, being a driver is a privilege that comes with allot of responsibilities, In all the night time driving I have ever done i have never come close to hitting any unlit object or person although i have come across a great many

Me neither, but I resent idiots making my job that much harder than it has to be, expecting my responsibilities to save their life, and insisting I must take their safety more seriously than they do themselves…

For [zb] sake, grow up and understand I wasn’t trying to be confrontational, merely commenting on the stupidity of some cyclists!

Posts 4 and 10 try to explain why a cyclist might not use a cycle path, as sometimes they are more dangerous than a road.

If a cyclist is wearing hi-viz and lights then they is no issue where he rides.

If he chooses to ride at night with no lights dark clothing then he deserves all he gets.

which as already been explained already on this thread, please read again.

I regularly drive along a road which has a recently completed cycle path and toucan crossing to assist cyclists to travel safely, but do they bother to use it? of course not.

OK they are entitled to use the main carriageway but it’s no good being in the right if you are dead.

EastAnglianTrucker:

chester:

EastAnglianTrucker:
but what really [zb]'ed me off was right beside him was a purpose built cycle path! What a ■■■■■■!

I think AHT was informing as to why a cyclist may not be using a cycle path, reasonable points I thought. ■■■■■■!!

Can you explain to me, in terms as simple as yourself, why cycling on an empty, purpose built cycle path is more dangerous than riding on a normally busy two lane road, where vehicles by the very nature of normal everyday life, automatically represent a vastly more lethal environment for cyclists, due to the massively increased risk of collision, which again due to the nature of the vehicles involved is likely to result in severe injury or worse to the cyclist. As Silver_Surfer has quite rightly pointed out, all the rights in the world will mean diddleysquat when you’re dead.

You statement and those of AHT are quite simply perverse in the extreme. Not to mention incredibly inconsiderate and selfish in the extreme!

I wasn’t questioning this guys right to be on the road, and the fact is, as a responsible road user I feel I am overly aware of the potential safety hazards cyclists present. Unfortunately you and he both are undermining my sympathy for those cyclists who refuse to take responsibility for their own safety, relying instead on other, more responsible road users to do it for them.

Or is such patently stupid behaviour, merely an attempt to cash in on an insurance claim, IF you survive the inevitable accident?

My opinions were not extreme in any way in probably 50,000 miles of cycling in the last 5 years i have yet to find a cycle path that is fit for purpose and safe (apart from some of the ones round Lancaster however while they are passable they are far from ideal) for the majority of cyclists who want to get somewhere rather than just go for a jolly, you say there was a path there, how did it start and end? did you have to go up a curb to get on to it? did it follow the entire length of the road? how did the cycle path encounter side roads as most just end leaving you liable to be hit by approaching vehicles or vehicles turning off the main carriageway.
Segregated cycles lanes lead you into more harm than good as they never allow you to rejoin the main carriageway safely and they normally decide to dive away from the road that you want to be on and take you off somewhere els making it very difficult to get back to the main carriage way
So unless you have personally ridden on the cycle way with the same start and end as the person in question then you have no place to suggest that he should have used it

waddy640:
I regularly drive along a road which has a recently completed cycle path and toucan crossing to assist cyclists to travel safely, but do they bother to use it? of course not.

OK they are entitled to use the main carriageway but it’s no good being in the right if you are dead.

Not sure where you get the impression that all cyclists using roads are at immediate risk of being killed yes its dangerous but not half as bad as this thred seems to make out maby the coments on here are just from the poorest 1% of drivers who make the roads dangerous?
You say it has a toucan crossing, so rather then cycling down a road moving into the flow of traffic and turn right you probably have to go up a kerb to get on the cycle lane with will be very slippery coverd in debris and dog ■■■■■ then make a very tight bend to get perpendicular to the road avoiding pedestrians, dog walkers and mothers with push chairs, stop wait for the ligths to change then cross then your still on a cycle path witch probably either just stops meaning you have to go down a kery and then try and get back into the flow of traffic.

AHT:

waddy640:
I regularly drive along a road which has a recently completed cycle path and toucan crossing to assist cyclists to travel safely, but do they bother to use it? of course not.

OK they are entitled to use the main carriageway but it’s no good being in the right if you are dead.

Not sure where you get the impression that all cyclists using roads are at immediate risk of being killed yes its dangerous but not half as bad as this thred seems to make out maby the coments on here are just from the poorest 1% of drivers who make the roads dangerous?
You say it has a toucan crossing, so rather then cycling down a road moving into the flow of traffic and turn right you probably have to go up a kerb to get on the cycle lane with will be very slippery coverd in debris and dog [zb] then make a very tight bend to get perpendicular to the road avoiding pedestrians, dog walkers and mothers with push chairs, stop wait for the ligths to change then cross then your still on a cycle path witch probably either just stops meaning you have to go down a kery and then try and get back into the flow of traffic.

It is all purpose built with dropped kerbs and non slip paving stones.

Maybe if cyclists were to use cycle tracks more there would`t be the conditions they are complaining about. I find usually the main carrigeway has been narrowed to provide said cycle lane which further restricts the flow of traffic. But when has reality ever bothered blinkered cyclists. They will only travel in straight lines regardless of other road traffic believing they have a god given right go were they wish and everyone else, be they vehicles or pedestrians, just have to give way to them. As has been mentioned red lights seem to be invisible to them unless it allows them to undertake a vehicle thats just struggled to get past them on narrow roads. Its about time it was made ■■■■■■■■■■ to use any cycleway when provided. Even when god forbid it slows them down or makes them stop at junctions or horror of horrors they have to stop at a red light.

cycle lanes and cycle paths are different, I wouldnt think any cyclist would have an issue using a cycle lane.

We said before, yes they are bad cyclists but I can post youtube clips up all night of bad truckers :unamused:

Why do so many of the lycra brigade ride with their heads down? I saw one riding near the Pear Tree park and ride at Oxford ride straight into a fallen tree and go over the handlebars…'king ■■■■■■ myself laughing at the daft ■■■■■■.
I’m amazed at the idiots who cycle on the A34…

Muckaway:
Why do so many of the lycra brigade ride with their heads down? I saw one riding near the Pear Tree park and ride at Oxford ride straight into a fallen tree and go over the handlebars…'king ■■■■■■ myself laughing at the daft ■■■■■■.
I’m amazed at the idiots who cycle on the A34…

Why do some truck drivers run into stationary vehicles on the hard shoulder or stationary traffic on the carraige way?

AHT:

Muckaway:
Why do so many of the lycra brigade ride with their heads down? I saw one riding near the Pear Tree park and ride at Oxford ride straight into a fallen tree and go over the handlebars…'king ■■■■■■ myself laughing at the daft ■■■■■■.
I’m amazed at the idiots who cycle on the A34…

Why do some truck drivers run into stationary vehicles on the hard shoulder or stationary traffic on the carraige way?

I’ll ask one of my colleagues tomorrow: He tried to push an artic onto a roundabout…in a Daf LF :laughing: I cycle to work and I could cycle along an A road but I choose the (bypassed) village, unlike many yoghurt knitters who want an audience to see them save the planet.