Do NOT push a cat’s tail into an electric socket, it’s cruel.
Funny, but cruel ![]()
What a mess, Instability in the car market is the last thing it needs, regardless of how the way cars are fuelled. It’s the diesel debacle all over again, with the government promoting one particular fuel, then taxing the bejesus out of it.
On one hand, you’ve got the government literally paying you to buy an electric car with generous grants, then invent a brand-new tax to tax it.
This new PPM tax will be on top of the £195 VED on electric cars that was brought in last April.
It will be a total disaster for car manufacturers as a whole who have to sell 25% of electric vehicles in 2025 or pay fines of £15000 per ICE vehicle oversold. That mandatory percentage figure rises YOY until 2030. One thing is for sure, the motor manufacturers will end up paying €billions more in fines as they will miss their mandated targets if more people aren’t buying EVs.
Overseas EV manufacturers will be hesitant to send their EVs to the UK if they think this new tax will put some people off buying them.
Take VW for an example, they’ve been stung with an $8.5 billion tariff hit in car parts & cars in the US & lost $1.3billion in the last quarter alone & $5billion in losses through Porsche sales falling off a cliff in their main car market in China, now they will see lower EV sales in the UK & have to pay $millions more in fines for not hitting their emission targets.
They can’t have much money left with idled plants along with a $221billion debt.
Here’s what the SMMT says about the proposed PPM tax on electric vehicles.
Good job the Green party aren’t in power. ![]()
“It wants to see all petrol and diesel vehicles replaced by electric vehicles within a decade – supported by an end to sales of new petrol- and diesel-fuelled vehicles by 2027 and an end to the use of petrol and diesel vehicles on the road by 2035.”
I’ve been reading more into this new EV VED & what it means, Some people who go on European holidays etc in their BEV/PHEV are up in arms as you would be charged for miles driven even going on holiday to another country. I.E. via Calais down to the south of France & back and on top of all those road tolls on France roads, you’d be charged around a further £45 for those miles driven paid straight to the UK government.![]()
I can’t see any flavour of government making it mandatory to adopt the GPS system, where every mile driven would be monitored & recorded.
No different to us having paid our VED and then using toll roads abroad. This EV thing is coming back to bite you all in the bum, just like we all said it would.
Not really, well not me anyway, I do less than the average yearly mileage & It will still be infinitely cheaper to run a BEV compared to filling up at the petrol station.
Not being sarcastic, but if you did not have have the advantage of a home charger and all the Sunday deals you seem to get but had to rely on charging at a public charge point would it still be cheaper??
I suspect (blindly guess) that all vehicles will end up paying per mile travelled at some point.
And that electricity will cost less than fossil fuels per mile travelled irrespective of any tax/toll/road-usage charge etc.
I don’t have an electric car but reckon they will be coming for most of us, most of the time.
No, a public charger will never be as cheap as a home charger with a cheap rate EV tariff from your energy supplier, I’ve never used a public charger in over five years I’ve had EVs, Some are absolutely extortionate & are still opening public charging locations today with the highest rates around 89p/kWh, and guess who they are? Yeah, Shell & BP, robbing barstewards, they’re akin to going to the motorway services to fuel up.
Quite a few CPOs are using dynamic charging these days with time of day prices, Tesla is around 67p/kWh during daytime rates & 55p/kWh offpeak.
Haven’t got a clue about your figures and prices but how does that compare to a petrol car getting 43 mpg ???
I have mentioned before that not everyone will have access to a home charger even if all cars are EV.
There are so many price differences between pence/kWh & the average MPG with petrol or diesel that I wouldn’t like to say, but someone with no access to off-road parking & a 7 kWh charger will be more inconvenienced & paying more than me.
The RAC might be fairly unbiased? They are there for all car owners.
Here they look at elec vs petrol VW Golf doing 12k mls per annum. The costs of running an electric car | RAC Drive
They look at initial cost, depreciation, tax, insurance, and of course fuel/energy costs. The figures relate to Feb of this year, but might still be a good start point.
Thanks Franglais.
They have used 24p/KWh in their calculations, is perhaps around a mid point beween public chargers and home charging (esp on cheap ev tariff).
As it happens that is also the price our work charge in the car park, which they recon is very nearly cost price to them.
I can charge at 44p up the road from me, or fast charge after 8pm and before 7am for 59p, but there isn’t much under 79p in general.
How does the maintenance servicing work on electric car, is it the same as time and mileage and what’s the cost, is there many places other than main dealers doing it
I’ve just had my 2nd service done which cost £156, I thought that was a bit steep, but apparently brake fluid flush & a video check up done, my first service was £56 for a low mileage service.
If the garage is MG certified, then you can get services done there without losing warranty.
What video check up, thanks for that
It’s a short health check video they make as they go round the car checking it up on the car lift.
I think most of the main dealers have their mechanics (technicians as they are now called) use head worn cameras to video the safety check (tyres, brake pad life, suspension, etc) and then e mail it to the customer.
I have never taken much notice of public charge points : do they have to display the current charge price on a screen or is that done on a mobile phone app?
I think it is a legal requirement for filling station fuel prices to be displayed on the roadside.
I’d guess they have to display the price.
But I know electric charging points won’t accept cash.
Most are via an app linked to your bank account