No more Beaver

TheYoungTrucker:
Would you be able to put forward some suggestions that may improve the industry beaver? Personally i feel there is no one to represent drivers, theres the rha which is the biggest sham out there, ‘love the lorry week’ dear god. They have absolutly no interest in drivers,only there pay cheques. Then theres the driver cpc, why cant drivers stick together and get rid of this? Itl be pay rises for the vosa next and we’ll be payin for it. If uk drivers became a bit more french things might improve.

They won’t and never will have drivers interests in mind, they only represent the companies who feed into their coffers. Won’t be long before that lot start trumpeting the use of driver-less trucks!

TheYoungTrucker:
Would you be able to put forward some suggestions that may improve the industry beaver? Personally i feel there is no one to represent drivers, theres the rha which is the biggest sham out there, ‘love the lorry week’ dear god. They have absolutly no interest in drivers,only there pay cheques. Then theres the driver cpc, why cant drivers stick together and get rid of this? Itl be pay rises for the vosa next and we’ll be payin for it. If uk drivers became a bit more french things might improve.

Suggestions may be 1 thing,but as in every line of work,while the money men in suits sit in their offices bean counting all they will see is cutting costs wherever they can to justify their posh cars and expense accounts.
Drivers are expendable and throw away like any name on a list to do a job.

Daytrunker:

TheYoungTrucker:
Would you be able to put forward some suggestions that may improve the industry beaver? Personally i feel there is no one to represent drivers, theres the rha which is the biggest sham out there, ‘love the lorry week’ dear god. They have absolutly no interest in drivers,only there pay cheques. Then theres the driver cpc, why cant drivers stick together and get rid of this? Itl be pay rises for the vosa next and we’ll be payin for it. If uk drivers became a bit more french things might improve.

Suggestions may be 1 thing,but as in every line of work,while the money men in suits sit in their offices bean counting all they will see is cutting costs wherever they can to justify their posh cars and expense accounts.
Drivers are expendable and throw away like any name on a list to do a job.

Companies, especially large companies, are run for the benefits of the shareholders, it’s those people that hold senior management to account if they don’t maximise short term profits.
These profits are made by increasing turnover, sweating assets, reducing costs and reducing investment including training.
They see drivers are a cost and an assets to be maximised.

Really chuffed with the comments fella’s, thanks!

As regards being reported 29088, it always ■■■■■■ me off when the neighbourhood watch have a go. The problem is as a day man, you are always chasing your arse, and unless you get REALLY lucky with your job, you often end up ‘pushing’ it a bit.

Get a bit close in the roadworks and you’re in for it. Shout at someone, you’re in for it. Nip through a weight limit…etc.
The general public hate trucks anyway, and now everyone has free minutes and a mobile phone. Beep your horn and it’s a phone call.

Got dashcam footage?..Get it sent in :unamused: We are actively encouraged to inform on everyone and every indiscretion we see.

As regards driving a truck for a living, it’s crap. In my opinion the main reason that employers in the main take the ■■■■, is because we as drivers bend over and allow it. I HAVE HONESTLY ON NUMEROUS TIMES BEEN SO CLOSE TO DELIBERATELY PARKING MY WAGON ACROSS ALL LANES ON THE THELWALL VIADUCT AND SNAPPING THE KEY IN THE BARREL YOU WOULDNT BELIEVE IT.(Not with my most recent employers though who have treated me well).

The reason for this outrageous thought is not through mental illness :laughing: It is simply so that I can jam the crap out of the motorway and cause chaos. Whilst this chaos would be happening I would simply phone the press. The crappy rags like The Sun et al, would love it. And in an ideal world I would then be able to explain the frustration and disdain we have within the job.

Sure I would probably get arrested and face a court appearance and then a fine. But so what? I can afford the fine, and one of my mates would do a crowd fund anyway :grimacing:

IT’S ABOUT TIME DRIVERS START GROWING A BACKBONE. YOU HAVE THE POWER TO NOT DELIVER THE GOODS. REMEMBER THE FUEL STRIKES? IT CAUSED CHAOS!!! START DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THE JOB.

The facilities are crap. The conditions are crap. The employers are often crap. The parking is crap. We are spied on relentlessly. We are spoken to like crap.

STOP PUTTING UP WITH IT FFS. MANY,MANY PEOPLE OVER TIME HAVE SPILT BLOOD FOR BETTER CONDITIONS IN ALL WALKS OF LIFE. ALL WE NEED TO DO IS SAY NO A LITTLE BIT MORE.

I would be willing to spend my time money and effort supporting any drivers action, and would happily get involved in any effort that would hopefully improve conditions for drivers, but it MUST start with drivers themselves. I understand that bill’s need to be paid and mouths must be fed.

But the weapons of choice for employers in this game are PRESSURE and FEAR. Anyone scared of REFUSING A REASONABLE REQUEST? Let me tell you all something. ALMOST ANYTHING these employers ask CAN be construed as REASONABLE.

SO START REFUSING AND GROW A PAIR. You will not be sent to jail. You will not be given the lethal injection. Your loved ones will not stop loving you. IT’S JUST A JOB FFS! You can go and get another one.

LET’S START BY REFUSING TO WORK FOR THE CRAP EMPLOYERS WHO PAY PEANUTS. I have always told you lot who I work for. At Downton’s they tried intimidating me regarding my post’s about their office staff. I was told that I had slandered one staff member in particular, and that it was ’ defamation of character. I told them that I would love to go to court and tell everyone who would listen about the place.

GUESS WHAT…THEY CRAPPED IT. :unamused: START NAMING AND SHAMING AND BOYCOTTING CRAP PAYERS. IT’S A START AND HOPEFULLY WITH SOME BACKBONE AND EFFORT WE MAY BE ABLE TO RESTORE A BIT OF PRIDE AND DIGNITY.

PMd you. :wink:

Radar19:
More doom and gloom. Maybe its time to try something different in the haulage game?

That’s what I think, I think since you have been on here it’s been curtain siders and fridge work except the Canute job. There are still loads of jobs to try out :sunglasses:

rob22888:
Don’t blame you mate, i’m sick of it for the same reasons.

Am same and still classed as a newbie lol

My CPC runs out 2021 then am out if i last that long :open_mouth:

mrginge:

Radar19:
More doom and gloom. Maybe its time to try something different in the haulage game?

That’s what I think, I think since you have been on here it’s been curtain siders and fridge work except the Canute job. There are still loads of jobs to try out :sunglasses:

They are advertised for contract in Uddingston atm if anyone interested

Last year, I considered getting out of driving for some of the reasons given already. Quite what I would have done though was another thing.

One of the things that started tipping me was when I was speaking to a store man in one of my daily collections one day. He drove a forklift, picked orders and delivered local orders in their own kangoo van. He worked an hour less than me every day and only took home £30 a week less than me. Got me asking myself why I was doing multi drop in a double deck trailer round Glasgow when I could be doing something less stressful and with less responsibility for a few quid a week less.

Anyway, couple of mates had left the job I was in and landed jobs with a well known fridge company. Easiest job ever, no chasing your tail all day, no stupid long shifts or maxing your hours out and decent money they told me. They got me a start almost a year ago and I haven’t regretted it. They are a company that like things done by the book, no flying around like a mad man etc but still left to your own devices.

Like radar said, maybe a change of the type of work might do the trick. Worked for me anyway. Or perhaps you’ve been there and done that and it hasn’t worked.

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Best of luck beaver. The newbies forum will be poorer for your absence

best thing I ever did was quit driving at 21 (3 years ago) to work in a factory doing the same 7 bolts up 36 hours a week :laughing: :laughing:

goodluck!

maga:
best thing I ever did was quit driving at 21 (3 years ago) to work in a factory doing the same 7 bolts up 36 hours a week :laughing: :laughing:

goodluck!

JLR by any chance?

eagerbeaver:

rob22888:
Don’t blame you mate, i’m sick of it for the same reasons.

You are a very intelligent man Rob, and btw I enjoyed working with you :wink: I think sooner or later you too will end up jacking it in.

To put things into perspective, the minimum wage in less than a year will be £8 per hour, and I know for a fact that many on here earn hardly any more than that now for piloting a 44 tonne vehicle through roadworks at 50 mph with 18 inches to spare from the next artic :open_mouth:

It just simply makes no sense, risk/accountability vs [zb] wages/facilities etc… :neutral_face:

It’s becoming a mugs game really.

The only sector of this industry I would recommend to anybody is the ‘not for profit’ in house operations where they are delivering their own stuff or carrying out their own operations, assuming you can put up with the usual shift patterns. As soon as the truck you a driving has to make money, your usually totally up against it as a day driver.

To be honest, as much as it will hurt as a Mon-Fri man, I am coming round to the idea that a non profit shift patterned job might have to be the last throw of the dice. Sensible shift lengths & at least if I hate it the weekdays off will afford me some productive time to work towards an escape route out of this game whilst still earning.

Not going to lie, I feel a bit trapped at the minute because I can’t afford the initial big drop in money jacking driving in will land me with & I have no time to do anything about it.

UKtramp:
well if everyone keeps getting their life back, there really will be a driver shortage. Good luck to you and who can blame you. Wished I had done it years ago.

There’s a life outside of driving??
I’ve done bus/coach/truck driving and currently driving a puddle jumper on what a lot of people here would shy away from - domestic appliances including installing them including integrated dishwashers :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :blush: :blush:

Mugs game?

Certainly is IMO ( which is allowed ) if you accept a salary paid job earning ex amount for 48 plus hours a week! You reap what you sow.

Agency at hourly rate pays much better. Talking to a guy the other day who was agency for a company based in Bathgate. He told me drivers were on £8.50 an hour there and he was bagging £11.50 an hour for doing exact same job!

Agency driver? YES

Mug? NOPE

Tommy7437:
Mugs game?

Certainly is IMO ( which is allowed ) if you accept a salary paid job earning ex amount for 48 plus hours a week! You reap what you sow.

Agency at hourly rate pays much better. Talking to a guy the other day who was agency for a company based in Bathgate. He told me drivers were on £8.50 an hour there and he was bagging £11.50 an hour for doing exact same job!

Agency driver? YES

Mug? NOPE

The mugs game comment wasn’t meant to be a broad dig at drivers in general, I just think that many full time jobs in the for-profit sector are.

Agency work isn’t for me, but fair play to the guys that do it and earn the superior wages doing so.

I’m sorry you have decided to chuck it all in, I understand what you say regarding that we all need to grow a pair and stand up for ourselves. I respectfully counter that with this: no matter how much we as an industry protest about pay, hours, conditions, roads and traffic, I’m afraid nothing will ever change. We have seen this industry keel over and submit to longer working hours, increased weekend and night work, ‘just in time’ deliveries. Ridiculous booking times for goods in at the other end of the country, lack of decent town parking, cafes and just about everthing else we rely on to help us in this strange, sometimes nomadic life.

Collectively we cannot, and will not do anything it seems to better our ‘lot’. We threaten to strike but we all know we wont lose money if we can help it. We cant blockade the road networks as the French did succesfully in the past, our political structure is in so many ways different that denies it being a feasible ploy to our advantage. In many ways we continue to ■■■■ it up, hoping for change but knowing it will never get any better.

I honestly think that each of us needs to negotiate our own terms. I had been dealt a bitter blow by heart problems that saw me leave the road transport industry, and take a job with a large corporate materials supply company as a driver of a rigid 6 wheeler.
For ten years I suffered bullying and intimidation on a scale I would never once have put up with. But when you feel like this is all you are fit for, I stupidly and meekly accepted it. Eventually resentment and anger built up so much that I went into meltdown, and was seriously concerned about the stress levels i was under. I started kicking back, and everything came to a head the day I was called in and asked to explain why I took a certain route to a delivery. The dreaded Tracker had been used to try and catch me out, a day later and the same happened again. I quit there and then without another job to go to. so in a way I ‘grew a pair’ and dealt with that aspect. :wink:

A day after leaving, I found a lower paid job and only a few months later and through a friends information,I finally found the type of job that I had since longed for, where gladly to say, I was welcomed with open arms. Being a bit ‘old skool’ I had found a job with a firm that shared the same values as my own. I was prepared to give them my very best providing they treated me the same way. Luckily for me that ethos has worked. Now, with only two years to go until retirement, I will see it through to the end. I am extremely lucky with the job I have now, and for as long as it lasts (hopefully two years! ) I will give it my all. The pay wasnt particulary great to start with, but after nine months I presented them with the pay scheme I regarded I was worth. Much to my surprise they agreed and all is now well with the world. Yet again in another way I grew a pair :wink:

I do my fair share of early starts, Am always punctual for timed deliveries, I keep the vehicle clean and run it as efficient as I can. I will go anywhere at the drop of a hat, and will work the hours needed to do the job legally. I do not run over time, or off the card and have my daily 11 hours off if at all possible. Sometimes though a nine is needed, but I talk to my man and explain that I cannot be where he needs me to be and a compromise is reached, this way I do my best to manage my weekend rest. So all in all I can negotiate with the management in a calm manner to get the conditions that I want. Another pair grown :wink:

I too detest certain aspects of driving for a living, and have done for quite a while. But, I do not take umbrage with my current bosses, for the most part, it is not their fault. Customer service dictates in the world we operate in, and if companies want to stay in business, then adapt or die is the maxim. for that part we must put ourselves out now and again. We may not like it but if this is the life we have chosen, then what else are we to do?

Unfortunately we share out world with those who’s standards dont always match our own. We are treated like crap because many drivers hurl abuse left right and centre at security staff, goods in doormen, forklift drivers other roadusers including ourselves. Some of us pee and defecate literally anywhere, carve our own comrades up out on the road and generally behave like prima donnas because they drive a large vehicle. The culture of ‘I’m a truck driver, I’m better than you’ sometimes seems rife against lesser roadusers. Certain V8 drivers look down on six pots, Artic drivers look down on rigid drivers who in turn look down on puddle jumpers and transits.At the end of the day wea are all doing the same job, delivering goods. Gone is the ‘Knight of the Road image’ unfortunately we are all seen as a blight on humanity!

The country is getting more crowded, roads are breaking up under the strain, we are expected to serve many more years until retirement age is reached…and that keeps getting pushed back ! So many firms expect levels of commitment exceeding the normal while dishing out a meagre or non existant level of wage increases. I very much doubt that being a plumber or an electrician, a roofer or a builder will change things for you that much, they are all fighting for work and most of the people in those trades suffer from their own inherrent work related problems… . Its a jungle out there and only the fittest will survive!
good luck!

Good luck beaver

Same as him, good luck beaver. Just from what I’ve read on here, there’s no way I’d go back driving over there. We’ll probably catch up, but at least until I retired, it was a much better job here.

eagerbeaver:
Really chuffed with the comments fella’s, thanks!

As regards being reported 29088, it always ■■■■■■ me off when the neighbourhood watch have a go. The problem is as a day man, you are always chasing your arse, and unless you get REALLY lucky with your job, you often end up ‘pushing’ it a bit.

Get a bit close in the roadworks and you’re in for it. Shout at someone, you’re in for it. Nip through a weight limit…etc.
The general public hate trucks anyway, and now everyone has free minutes and a mobile phone. Beep your horn and it’s a phone call.

Got dashcam footage?..Get it sent in :unamused: We are actively encouraged to inform on everyone and every indiscretion we see.

As regards driving a truck for a living, it’s crap. In my opinion the main reason that employers in the main take the ■■■■, is because we as drivers bend over and allow it. I HAVE HONESTLY ON NUMEROUS TIMES BEEN SO CLOSE TO DELIBERATELY PARKING MY WAGON ACROSS ALL LANES ON THE THELWALL VIADUCT AND SNAPPING THE KEY IN THE BARREL YOU WOULDNT BELIEVE IT.(Not with my most recent employers though who have treated me well).

The reason for this outrageous thought is not through mental illness :laughing: It is simply so that I can jam the crap out of the motorway and cause chaos. Whilst this chaos would be happening I would simply phone the press. The crappy rags like The Sun et al, would love it. And in an ideal world I would then be able to explain the frustration and disdain we have within the job.

Sure I would probably get arrested and face a court appearance and then a fine. But so what? I can afford the fine, and one of my mates would do a crowd fund anyway :grimacing:

IT’S ABOUT TIME DRIVERS START GROWING A BACKBONE. YOU HAVE THE POWER TO NOT DELIVER THE GOODS. REMEMBER THE FUEL STRIKES? IT CAUSED CHAOS!!! START DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THE JOB.

The facilities are crap. The conditions are crap. The employers are often crap. The parking is crap. We are spied on relentlessly. We are spoken to like crap.

STOP PUTTING UP WITH IT FFS. MANY,MANY PEOPLE OVER TIME HAVE SPILT BLOOD FOR BETTER CONDITIONS IN ALL WALKS OF LIFE. ALL WE NEED TO DO IS SAY NO A LITTLE BIT MORE.

I would be willing to spend my time money and effort supporting any drivers action, and would happily get involved in any effort that would hopefully improve conditions for drivers, but it MUST start with drivers themselves. I understand that bill’s need to be paid and mouths must be fed.

But the weapons of choice for employers in this game are PRESSURE and FEAR. Anyone scared of REFUSING A REASONABLE REQUEST? Let me tell you all something. ALMOST ANYTHING these employers ask CAN be construed as REASONABLE.

SO START REFUSING AND GROW A PAIR. You will not be sent to jail. You will not be given the lethal injection. Your loved ones will not stop loving you. IT’S JUST A JOB FFS! You can go and get another one.

LET’S START BY REFUSING TO WORK FOR THE CRAP EMPLOYERS WHO PAY PEANUTS. I have always told you lot who I work for. At Downton’s they tried intimidating me regarding my post’s about their office staff. I was told that I had slandered one staff member in particular, and that it was ’ defamation of character. I told them that I would love to go to court and tell everyone who would listen about the place.

GUESS WHAT…THEY CRAPPED IT. :unamused: START NAMING AND SHAMING AND BOYCOTTING CRAP PAYERS. IT’S A START AND HOPEFULLY WITH SOME BACKBONE AND EFFORT WE MAY BE ABLE TO RESTORE A BIT OF PRIDE AND DIGNITY.

Well guys and girls, I think beaver speaks for us all here.
He’s so right, but how many of us will ever have the courage to stand up for better pay and conditions?

All the best beaver.