Youre not even worth the effort anymore after that load of ■■■■■■■■, especially the middle bit
The-Snowman:
Youre not even worth the effort anymore after that load of ■■■■■■■■, especially the middle bit
I guessed that would be your answer.Because ‘the middle bit’ contains the inconvenient fact that I’m talking about all too real facts.Related to NHS health care provision rationing and the resulting whatever it takes treatment for some,or ultimately an unwanted evil drug induced death,lottery for others and what happens to the losers in that lottery.Not conspiracy theory.
Carryfast:
I guessed that would be your answer.Because ‘the middle bit’ contains the inconvenient fact that I’m talking about all too real facts.
Not even close. Youre not talking about facts. You just think you are. It was this bit -
Carryfast:
All that to save the cash so that the luckier smug complacent I’m all right jacks like your family, taking advantage of typical Socialist everyone is equal but some are more equal than others ideology
My family are working class so therefor not “more equal than others” which makes your whole comment, like I said, ■■■■■■■■. As always you know ■■■■ all but think you are an expert.
Now jog on and haunt someone else
BTW, I must have missed the answer to these -
The-Snowman:
Remind me again why, since you think the NHS is just paffing you off till you die, you still use them and dont get the private healthcare you seem convinced is the only way forward? Remind me why you still use a service you say is definitely just giving a cocktail of drugs and will force a DNR on you for any reason it wants without consulting you first?
The-Snowman:
Incidently, im curious. What on earth makes you think an insurance company spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on someones care wont go down the exact route you seem convinced the NHS does? What makes you so sure theyll pay more expensive treastment rather than using a loophole to only fund the cheapest route (if they decide to fund any at all)? Because thats what they do. What makes you think itll be different if it happens over here?
The-Snowman:
Carryfast:
I guessed that would be your answer.Because ‘the middle bit’ contains the inconvenient fact that I’m talking about all too real facts.Not even close. Youre not talking about facts. You just think you are. It was this bit -
Carryfast:
All that to save the cash so that the luckier smug complacent I’m all right jacks like your family, taking advantage of typical Socialist everyone is equal but some are more equal than others ideologyMy family are working class so therefor not “more equal than others” which makes your whole comment, like I said, ■■■■■■■■. As always you know [zb] all but think you are an expert.
Now jog on and haunt someone elseBTW, I must have missed the answer to these -
The-Snowman:
Remind me again why, since you think the NHS is just paffing you off till you die, you still use them and dont get the private healthcare you seem convinced is the only way forward? Remind me why you still use a service you say is definitely just giving a cocktail of drugs and will force a DNR on you for any reason it wants without consulting you first?The-Snowman:
Incidently, im curious. What on earth makes you think an insurance company spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on someones care wont go down the exact route you seem convinced the NHS does? What makes you so sure theyll pay more expensive treastment rather than using a loophole to only fund the cheapest route (if they decide to fund any at all)? Because thats what they do. What makes you think itll be different if it happens over here?
We are obviously discussing the difference between my also ‘working class’ Mother’s experience of the NHS when she needed it most as opposed to your ‘equally’ 'working class family’s experience.So no I obviously wasn’t referring to more equal than others in terms of ‘class’ just as George Orwell wasn’t referring to class when he was referring to hierarchies and pecking orders within the Socialist movement.As I said the more equal than others in this case seems to be based on at least ‘age’ related triage and NHS rationing.In addition to post code lotteries in which the provision of some hospitals is stripped/reduced to provide more in others sometimes dressed up as so called ‘centres of excellence’.Or provision in some areas stripped to increase provision in others usually at the expense of highly populated areas like the South East.
As for the rest of your bs.Which part of,as I said,at the end of the day it makes no difference how it’s funded if the wages aren’t there to cover the cost,didn’t you understand.With the exception that the American way at least doesn’t provide employers with the excuse that it’s all supposedly ‘free’ in that regard.While whatever Pat’s moan is about at least he and his wife haven’t yet been forced into the murderous ‘palliative care’ regime.Which obviously seems to be more likely when the obvious conflicts of interest,between a government funded health care system and employers all wanting to save cash,together with a government enforced ‘Adult Care’ regime,and the true ideology and intent of the satanic Hospice regime all combine to create the perfect storm which is effectively all about euthanising vulnerable elderly people like my Mother.While also notice the references to government funded Medicare claimants in the US examples of those being effectively euthanised by Hospice. 
Conveniently ignoring all the other flaws in your logic youve been spouting (as always)
Carryfast:
About 4% of your overall tax contribution goes to healthcare.
You dont “pay” for healthcare already.
What were you saying about “not being able to afford healthcare twice”?
Carryfast:
Pat has to keep working or they will stop his cover and he will get NOTHING towards his healthcare.
Remind me again why that’s BS? Why is his legitimate worries for paying for his and his wife’s healthcare whining, moaning and BS but your “the whole system is rotten to the core because ive had a bad experience” is perfectly ok?
Any closer to an answer?
The-Snowman:
Incidently, im curious. What on earth makes you think an insurance company spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on someones care wont go down the exact route you seem convinced the NHS does? What makes you so sure theyll pay more expensive treastment rather than using a loophole to only fund the cheapest route (if they decide to fund any at all)? Because thats what they do. What makes you think itll be different if it happens over here?
Any answers to this one yet as well?
The-Snowman:
The-Snowman:
Remind me again why, since you think the NHS is just paffing you off till you die, you still use them and dont get the private healthcare you seem convinced is the only way forward? Remind me why you still use a service you say is definitely just giving a cocktail of drugs and will force a DNR on you for any reason it wants without consulting you first?The-Snowman:
Incidently, im curious. What on earth makes you think an insurance company spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on someones care wont go down the exact route you seem convinced the NHS does? What makes you so sure theyll pay more expensive treastment rather than using a loophole to only fund the cheapest route (if they decide to fund any at all)? Because thats what they do. What makes you think itll be different if it happens over here?
First question was obviously answered by can’t afford to pay twice for both NHS and so called ‘Private’.Even if given sufficient wages to cover the cost of decent health care provision regardless which is what this is all about.
Second question was obviously answered by it makes no bleedin difference because the wages needed to cover the real world true costs of health care ain’t there in a labour market shattered by race to the bottom economics.Although unlike my mother it’s obvious that neither Pat nor his wife have so far actually been forced out of treatment and into the murderous palliative care regime under the veiled threat of Social Services ‘Adult Care’.Unlike my Mother’s experience of the NHS and numerous examples,often no surprise, under the similar government funded US medicare system.
Your tax contributes to the nhs, you’re not paying for healthcare. Your tax won’t be reduced if the nhs is taken away. So what you’re saying is you can’t afford private healthcare or medical insurance? Strange that, since you’re advocating it as the way forward.
Your second load of waffle doesn’t even come close to answering it. Try again
The-Snowman:
Your tax contributes to the nhs, you’re not paying for healthcare. Your tax won’t be reduced if the nhs is taken away. So what you’re saying is you can’t afford private healthcare or medical insurance? Strange that, since you’re advocating it as the way forward.Your second load of waffle doesn’t even come close to answering it. Try again
No what I’m saying is that my wages like others were never enough to cover the true costs of health care regardless of how it is funded taxation based or insurance.Why wouldn’t/shouldn’t the NHS component of taxation be removed assuming there was no such thing as the NHS or someone had opted out of it.As I said I couldn’t afford to pay twice in that regard.I’m advocating a US ( or preferably German ) style system only because as I said it obviously creates more pressure on employers to pay more for their employees’ health care costs when factored into wage demands than the so called ‘free’ UK NHS system does.IE government controlled funding just gets in the way of that part of the wage bargaining process in the employers’ favour by imposing laughable levels of rationing.Which is why the employers are so keen on it and why US and German unions are rightly less keen on the Brit type system.
As for the second question.Exactly where did I say that the US insurance based system doesn’t have the same conflict of interest between what’s good for its own and wage payers’ balance sheets v what’s good for the patient.Just as it does in the case of the government doing what’s good for its own balance sheet and the interests of keeping wage costs down for employers in the case of the NHS.All of which turns deadly when the massive costs of further treatment can be saved to the advantage of employers’ wage costs and balancing the government’s books simply by euthanising anyone considered to be not worthy of saving.
While for all his moaning Pat,like your family,obviously hasn’t yet found himself facing the ultimate implications of that.Unlike people like my Mum.
You haven’t. But you’re ■■■■■■■■ about the NHS basically not being interested in helping you whilst admitting you can’t afford healthcare.
You can’t afford healthcare. That’s what the NHS is for and you’re such an ungrateful ■■■■ you can’t even see it.
No one’s forcing you to use the NHS for health treatment. Its not compulsory. If you don’t like it, go get other healthcare.
Oh thats right, you cant afford it. And lets be honest, the real reason you dont use private healthcare is because you cant due to your and your mothers age. No insurance company will touch you.
So without the NHS youd be left to fund all medical bills for any treatment you receive out of your own pocket.
Even though youre not happy with the care she is receiving, remind me again what she would receive with no NHS, given youve admitted you cant even afford insurance premiums let alone £5000 just for an ambulance trip alone?
Carryfast:
I’m advocating a US ( or preferably German ) style system only because as I said it obviously creates more pressure on employers to pay more for their employees’ health care costs when factored into wage demands than the so called ‘free’ UK NHS system does
Americans are highly taxed as well as us. Remind us again how well that works out for those on low income, who cant afford insurance costs or whose employers dont factor in healthcare costs to wages?
Pats in America and he has to keep working, despite having cancer, or theyll cancel his healthcare. Hows that a better system than "pay your tax and theres medical aid for you if you need it without worrying about the cost?
The-Snowman:
You haven’t. But you’re ■■■■■■■■ about the NHS basically not being interested in helping you whilst admitting you can’t afford healthcare.
You can’t afford healthcare. That’s what the NHS is for and you’re such an ungrateful [zb] you can’t even see it.
No one’s forcing you to use the NHS for health treatment. Its not compulsory. If you don’t like it, go get other healthcare.
Oh thats right, you cant afford it. And lets be honest, the real reason you dont use private healthcare is because you cant due to your and your mothers age. No insurance company will touch you.
So without the NHS youd be left to fund all medical bills for any treatment you receive out of your own pocket.
Even though youre not happy with the care she is receiving, remind me again what she would receive with no NHS, given youve admitted you cant even afford insurance premiums let alone £5000 just for an ambulance trip alone?Carryfast:
I’m advocating a US ( or preferably German ) style system only because as I said it obviously creates more pressure on employers to pay more for their employees’ health care costs when factored into wage demands than the so called ‘free’ UK NHS system doesAmericans are highly taxed as well as us. Remind us again how well that works out for those on low income, who cant afford insurance costs or whose employers dont factor in healthcare costs to wages?
Pats in America and he has to keep working, despite having cancer, or theyll cancel his healthcare. Hows that a better system than "pay your tax and theres medical aid for you if you need it without worrying about the cost?
If Americans are as highly taxed as us they’d obviously be paying more than £5 for a gallon of fuel.
Which part of I’m actually ■■■■■■■■ about the under funding and resulting rationing within the NHS ‘and’ the US systems,don’t you understand.With the US system being marginally ahead because,unlike the NHS,it doesn’t provide the employers,who are ultimately what funds either system in the form of wages,with the excuse that it’s supposedly all free in the face of realistic wage demands.More like you don’t want to understand obviously being a fully paid up member of the I’m all right jack winners side of the winners and losers situation created by the resulting rationing and government divide and rule tactics.Until you personally suddenly find you or your loved ones in the situation of what that means in reality.In being the wrong type of patient with the wrong illness facing being forcibly moved onto the ‘Liverpool Pathway’ ( seemingly now renamed ‘Fast Track’ to fool unsuspecting naive patients and families ) which puts you directly in the harm’s way of the Hospice hard drug euthanasia agenda.On that note which part of forcibly pushed out of hospital treatment and into the ‘palliative care’ regime,against your own and possibly also your families wishes,don’t you understand.
As for Pat’s and your bs issues concerning age related health insurance issues.Firstly as I said the German system seems to work just fine in that regard unless you’re saying that no older Germans are covered under their system.In addition to the fact that US laws also prevent such ‘difficult’ cases being denied cover bearing in mind I’ve already posted a link to those laws and Union arranged health cover including in retirement.While no I’ve never had private health cover at any age mainly as I said because of the expense of having to pay twice in not being able to opt out of the NHS taxation component.
All of which is obviously bleedin moot now that the governments and health care providers are clearly bowing to big business demands to allow the involuntary euthanasia of the elderly as yet another part of race to the bottom economics meaning the top 1% get even richer.With those like you expecting those like me and my mother to be ‘grateful’ because you selfishly think that it worked for you.Be careful what you wish for.
You’re waffling and diverting (as always)
About 4% of your overall tax contribution goes to healthcare.
You dont “pay” for healthcare already.
Even at that, if the nhs was dissolved tomorrow, no way your tax would come down. Instead, you’d have insurance premiums on top of it.
Pat has to keep working or they will stop his cover and he will get NOTHING towards his healthcare.
Remind me again why that’s BS? Why is his legitimate worries for paying for his and his wife’s healthcare whining, moaning and BS but your “the whole system is rotten to the core because ive had a bad experience” is perfectly ok?
Carryfast:
US laws also prevent such ‘difficult’ cases being denied cover bearing in mind I’ve already posted a link to those laws and Union arranged health cover including in retirement.
Yes because we all know that laws are never broken or bent by large corporations and governments. They always follow the laws eh 
And yes, you should be grateful. If you need a doctor or to go to hospital, its there for you. No one will leave you dying why they check your insurance card. No one will do a wallet biopsy. No one will refuse to send an ambulance because you owe them money already. No one will turn you away because you dont have a credit card they can charge.
As I said, no one is forcing you to use the NHS. If you’re not happy with it, don’t use it. Go private.
Oh that’s right, you can’t afford it and you’re hiding behind the bs “can’t afford to pay twice” excuse
Maybe the German system would be better. Maybe it would. Who knows? I havent researched it because its never going to happen here, and even if it did it wouldn’t be run as efficiently as the Germans manage it. We have what we have. You dont like it? Fine. But stop using it and ■■■■■■■■ about it if youre not going to go source your healthcare that you find acceptable.
You call me selfish just because it “worked for me”? I call it grateful.
Have you ever considered that if (and its a big if) your experience was so bad that maybe youre the exception rather than the rule?
The-Snowman:
Have you ever considered that if (and its a big if) your experience was so bad that maybe youre the exception rather than the rule?
So now you want to reduce the issues to one of exceptions proving rules.Tell that to Freya Wells’ mother.Or Kamalaloginidvi Pararajasingham’s family. You know just another day in an over worked under staffed under funded NHS hospital.But who cares about the losers when your experience went so well and you’re so happy with it.
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Conveniently ignoring all the other flaws in your logic youve been spouting (as always)
Carryfast:
About 4% of your overall tax contribution goes to healthcare.
You dont “pay” for healthcare already.
What were you saying about “not being able to afford healthcare twice” as your reason for not using private? You seem to have forgotten to answer it
Incidentally, what was your answer to the question of how you would cope without the NHS and being forced to rely on insurance to pay for your healthcare? What was your answer to how you thought that would play out?
Carryfast:
Pat has to keep working or they will stop his cover and he will get NOTHING towards his healthcare.
Remind me again why that’s BS? Why is his legitimate worries for paying for his and his wife’s healthcare whining, moaning and BS but your “the whole system is rotten to the core because ive had a bad experience” is perfectly ok?
Any closer to an answer?
Carryfast:
u want to reduce the issues to one of exceptions proving rules.Tell that to Freya Wells’ mother.Or Kamalaloginidvi Pararajasingham’s family.
Well those two examples arent even REMOTELY close to the “kill them off” BS youve been spouting. They seem like either tragic errors or no properly trained staff being available NOT the bs youre pedalling. If youre going to try to use media stories (especially the daily mail) to prove your point, at least make sure its relevant. Even staying consistant about what youre moaning about rather than constantly moving the goalposts and changing the subject would be a start
Ive never claimed the staff arent over worked and the nhs under funded but theres a world of difference from that to the mince youre spouting about them being out to kill you off
There will ALWAYS be exceptions. That, unfortunatly, is life. How many times a day, week, month or year are people saved when they would otherwise have been left to die because they had no money to pay? Thousands if not millions. Now compare that to the cases like your two examples. What % of good cases vs bad do you think there are? Extremelly low would be my guess. No case is ever “acceptable” but errors and mistakes happen. That, unfortunately, is a fact of life and not proof of a conspiracy.
Try again
Therefor, yes my experience went well and im happy with it. Why wouldnt I be?
Ive never said its perfect. Ive never claimed everything always works perfectly. What I HAVE said though, is that its there for you no matter how little money you have and no one will want a credit card or insurance document first.
No one is forced to use the nhs. There is private healthcare if you want (and you dont pay for healthcare already, despite what you want to believe) so if you keep using it, stop ■■■■■■■ moaning. Its obviously not as bad as you are making out
The-Snowman:
Conveniently ignoring all the other flaws in your logic youve been spouting (as always)Carryfast:
About 4% of your overall tax contribution goes to healthcare.
You dont “pay” for healthcare already.What were you saying about “not being able to afford healthcare twice” as your reason for not using private? You seem to have forgotten to answer it
Incidentally, what was your answer to the question of how you would cope without the NHS and being forced to rely on insurance to pay for your healthcare? What was your answer to how you thought that would play out?
Carryfast:
Pat has to keep working or they will stop his cover and he will get NOTHING towards his healthcare.
Remind me again why that’s BS? Why is his legitimate worries for paying for his and his wife’s healthcare whining, moaning and BS but your “the whole system is rotten to the core because ive had a bad experience” is perfectly ok?Any closer to an answer?
Carryfast:
u want to reduce the issues to one of exceptions proving rules.Tell that to Freya Wells’ mother.Or Kamalaloginidvi Pararajasingham’s family.Well those two examples arent even REMOTELY close to the “kill them off” BS youve been spouting. They seem like either tragic errors or no properly trained staff being available NOT the bs youre pedalling. If youre going to try to use media stories (especially the daily mail) to prove your point, at least make sure its relevant. Even staying consistant about what youre moaning about rather than constantly moving the goalposts and changing the subject would be a start
Ive never claimed the staff arent over worked and the nhs under funded but theres a world of difference from that to the mince youre spouting about them being out to kill you off
There will ALWAYS be exceptions. That, unfortunatly, is life. How many times a day, week, month or year are people saved when they would otherwise have been left to die because they had no money to pay? Thousands if not millions. Now compare that to the cases like your two examples. What % of good cases vs bad do you think there are? Extremelly low would be my guess. No case is ever “acceptable” but errors and mistakes happen. That, unfortunately, is a fact of life and not proof of a conspiracy.Try again
Therefor, yes my experience went well and im happy with it. Why wouldnt I be?
Ive never said its perfect. Ive never claimed everything always works perfectly. What I HAVE said though, is that its there for you no matter how little money you have and no one will want a credit card or insurance document first.
No one is forced to use the nhs. There is private healthcare if you want (and you dont pay for healthcare already, despite what you want to believe) so if you keep using it, stop [zb] moaning. Its obviously not as bad as you are making out
What’s the difference between paying tax to fund healthcare costs v paying insurance contributions.While having to pay tax to fund the NHS while then paying insurance contributions to fund private health care obviously means paying twice.Feel free to show the calculations for your 4% of tax revenue claim.Bearing in mind that road fuel taxation forms a large part of NHS funding which varies from some paying a lot more than others over a year and which even if it was correct just proves how under funded the NHS is.On that note as I said the US and especially German systems are more realistically funded with a direct link between earnings and payments.
As for the two examples they were meant to show the results of our under funded over loaded rationed health care system.All that so that employers can duck their responsibilities in terms of paying sufficient wages and corporate taxes to fund a decent health care system.
As for euthanasia of the elderly that was actually contained within the example of the Liverpool Pathways controversy for just one example ironically in a BBC report not DM.Remind us what happened to that.Don’t bother because I already know and it’s now just changed its name/s to so called Fast Track among others.In addition to the US reports of the real agenda behind Hospice and examples to prove it which touched a nerve and rang an alarm bell regarding my Father’s demise at the hands of that seemingly satanic regime,after a ridiculously late diagnosis of lung cancer after months in hospital had allowed it to spread throughout his body.Which is why I had my doubts about the way in which my Dad left this world and why my mother is now losing the last fight for her life either because of the brain damage caused by the hard drugs needlessly inflicted on her by the murderous Hospice regime which the hospital forced on her on discharge ( most likely ).Or because of her Myeloma issues being allowed to run rampant,to the point of invading her brain,which seems an extremely unlikely scenario like 1% of cases,owing to the resulting palliative categorisation taking her out of the outpatients cancer follow up and check up and further treatment regime.All that after them failing to kill her owing to a similar approach to an obvious Sepsis/Septic Shock case as that which killed Freya Wells.IE with holding of ICU provision at least,after a long wait in triage for any so called emergency attention for her illness at all.In which ironically putting a DNR on her obviously seemed to be more of a priority at that point than saving her life and doing whatever it took to prevent damage to organs like the heart with access to ICU being essential in that.
So no forgive me if I don’t have much sympathy for Pat’s moaning and rose tinted view of the NHS.Bearing in mind that I’ve shown the rules which stop US retirees and difficult cases etc being taken out of the health insurance cover system over there.Let alone your arrogant selfish I’m all right Jack position.On the subject of our rationed,to the point of being a dangerously unfit for purpose,lottery for the wrong patient at the wrong time in the wrong place,so called NHS.
So no I’m not grateful in that I feel the treatment of both my Mother and Father at its hands when they needed it most has removed any faith I had in it.Hopefully at least my telling them to shove their bowel screening programme will help to alleviate some of your unwarranted indignation in my regard.Preferring to die a quick natural death.Than,if they find something,go through loads of chemo and the damage that does to the immune and cardio vascular systems etc.All to eventually end up forced into the Palliative ‘Care’ regime to be put down like a dog at the hands of a morphine and sedative wielding Hospice Einzatz enforcer.
Carryfast:
blah blah blah
Youre basically just repeating the same BS and ignoring anything you dont like and answering questions that wernt asked. As always
Although I do find it somewhat amusing that you think “laws in place” would prevent the big conspiracy you think is rampant in the nhs regarding “kill them off”.
Incidentlly, last I checked New York was in the US. Remind me of why Pat, in the US, is “moaning” when he and his wife are in the healthcare system you say is better than ours?
Health insurance is compulsory in Germany. They also pay tax. Remind me again how insurance companies wont and dont try to dodge paying out by using loopholes in the contracts?
Also, how many Americans and Germans do you actually know? Not people youve never met who you only speak to online but ACTUAL people with ACTUAL experience of these (possibly) superior systems whos opinion you could trust? I know around a dozen in America and none of them see their healthcare system as far better than ours. So how many actual real life opinions are you basing your rose tinted view on?
Carryfast:
As for the two examples they were meant to show the results of our under funded over loaded rationed health care system
So not actually relevant to the “kill them off because its not worth paying for treatment” agenda you claim or actual evidence of what youre pedalling? Youve decided to try to change the subject to something else? What a surprise
Carryfast:
Let alone your arrogant selfish I’m all right Jack position.
The-Snowman:
What % of good cases vs bad do you think there are? Extremelly low would be my guess.
The-Snowman:
Have you ever considered that if (and its a big if) your experience was so bad that maybe youre the exception rather than the rule?
Carryfast:
Hopefully at least my telling them to shove their bowel screening programme will help to alleviate some of your unwarranted indignation in my regard.
Nope, because this all started because you didnt like the fact that I said the nhs was there for people who wouldnt be able to afford healthcare otherwise, or would be turned away because they didnt have good enough insurance. its YOU who twisted it and then changed the goalposts so many times its not about that anymore (as you always do) so you refusing a bowel screening doesnt actually change anything, despite what you want to believe
As ive said to you umpteen times before, which you seem to be having trouble reading and understanding, ive ever claimed the nhs was perfect. What ive said is its there for everyone, regardless of how much money you have or how good your insurance is. Maybe if you lost the chip on your shoulder you’d be able to see ive never disagreed the nhs isnt underfunded, nor have I claimed its perfect. Its you who keeps trying to make it about that
Btw, youve retired. How much are you paying in tax each month?
The-Snowman:
Carryfast:
blah blah blahYoure basically just repeating the same BS and ignoring anything you dont like and answering questions that wernt asked. As always
Although I do find it somewhat amusing that you think “laws in place” would prevent the big conspiracy you think is rampant in the nhs regarding “kill them off”.Incidentlly, last I checked New York was in the US. Remind me of why Pat, in the US, is “moaning” when he and his wife are in the healthcare system you say is better than ours?
Health insurance is compulsory in Germany. They also pay tax. Remind me again how insurance companies wont and dont try to dodge paying out by using loopholes in the contracts?
Also, how many Americans and Germans do you actually know? Not people youve never met who you only speak to online but ACTUAL people with ACTUAL experience of these (possibly) superior systems whos opinion you could trust? I know around a dozen in America and none of them see their healthcare system as far better than ours. So how many actual real life opinions are you basing your rose tinted view on?
Carryfast:
As for the two examples they were meant to show the results of our under funded over loaded rationed health care systemSo not actually relevant to the “kill them off because its not worth paying for treatment” agenda you claim or actual evidence of what youre pedalling? Youve decided to try to change the subject to something else? What a surprise
Carryfast:
Let alone your arrogant selfish I’m all right Jack position.The-Snowman:
What % of good cases vs bad do you think there are? Extremelly low would be my guess.The-Snowman:
Have you ever considered that if (and its a big if) your experience was so bad that maybe youre the exception rather than the rule?Carryfast:
Hopefully at least my telling them to shove their bowel screening programme will help to alleviate some of your unwarranted indignation in my regard.Nope, because this all started because you didnt like the fact that I said the nhs was there for people who wouldnt be able to afford healthcare otherwise, or would be turned away because they didnt have good enough insurance. its YOU who twisted it and then changed the goalposts so many times its not about that anymore (as you always do) so you refusing a bowel screening doesnt actually change anything, despite what you want to believe
As ive said to you umpteen times before, which you seem to be having trouble reading and understanding, ive ever claimed the nhs was perfect. What ive said is its there for everyone, regardless of how much money you have or how good your insurance is. Maybe if you lost the chip on your shoulder you’d be able to see ive never disagreed the nhs isnt underfunded, nor have I claimed its perfect. Its you who keeps trying to make it about that
Btw, youve retired. How much are you paying in tax each month?
I’ve clearly made the case that the main issue with the NHS is under funding.Of which examples like those I posted and the equally clear abuse of the intentions of the DNR and Liverpool Pathways type provisions.Particularly in regard to vulnerable elderly patients with expensive difficult to treat illnesses being a symptom of the resulting rationing within the NHS and conflict of interest in the provider also being the fund controller in this case to the obvious disadvantage of the patient and advantage of employers.
As for the law yes the big question is why aren’t the law investigating the use of hard controlled drugs by the Hospice regime and the justification for and the often all too predictable results of such use.Among other questionable practices within the so called ‘palliative care’ regime and even the justification for that regime being inflicted on many patients.Maybe a case of watch this space who knows.
So you’ve never claimed the NHS is perfect and you acknowledge that it is under funded.Which makes the case for Pat’s comments how ?.
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No we need to talk about how we increase funding levels to those needed.Which obviously means wages.
As for my tax status ironically forced to retire on health grounds.Although having contributed single person’s income tax from starting work at 16 and plenty of VAT on my consumer spending and fuel taxes thereby also keeping the economy moving.Remind me how much tax a married couple contributes including mortgage tax relief and possibly working tax credits and mimimal car fuel usage v their demands of two people plus possibly their offspring on the NHS.
Yeah yeah yeah, blah blah blah.
I’m not repeating myself anymore.
The-Snowman:
Yeah yeah yeah, blah blah blah.I’m not repeating myself anymore.
As I said be careful what you wish for.Assisted dying yeah right.Tell it like it is imposed euthanasia along the lines of Liverpool Pathways supported by heartless hypocrite quacks as part of the NHS rationing agenda.Feel free to come home Pat.To enjoy the free no cost benefits of the ‘palliative care’ regime.Including the free ’ benefits ’ of drugs like Lorozzapam and Fentanyl,which suicidal junkies pay good money for and with no need to even ask for it let alone want it.All that after fighting your way through a programme of debilitating chemo treatment first which you’d hoped was all about prolonging your life not being handed over to the Hospice regime to induce your death…
Was back in hospital this week. Bypassed GP and went straight to A&E. Seen within 20 minutes, by next day I’d had various top ups and 3 units of blood, an endoscopy and three decent meals. Again…I adore the NHS. A stress free experience from beginning to end with AMAZING staff. I’d be the first to take to the streets of ever it was threatened as I I’m sure millions of others would