thanks for your P.M tony if i can be of any assistance in seting some thing up get back to me.
yes we are going to have drivers and others who will not back this for one reason or an other that is fine but something needs to be done now not next year.
we should all be able to help this cause in one way or an other.
LETS START DOING SOMETHING IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE BEFORE IT IS TO LATE.
Even though I disagree with this approach, I think you have missed an ideal opportunity at the NEC. Commercial Vehicle Show.
Im sure that the audience you want would have been there.
Tony…have you thought about who is going to pay for the NEC or somewhere similar for a day■■?
As with everything else, it needs money behind it 
Pat
would a person earning £600 a week go on strike for some one thats earning £250 a wk i dont think so the word union in this country is a dirty word its been made that way by both lab and con governments but just look at what happend bad conditions foreign labour issues unfair competion ie cheap labour and the like this is the peoples country and the people let this happen dont withdraw your labour but if you only worked 40 hrs instead of 60 your kids will still eat and what would the governers do sack you no theres a driver shortage lol
I once again call upon Mr. Dave Young editor of a publication THAT CLAIMS TO BE 100% FOR DRIVERS…for his comments on the general unease within this industry■■?
TONY…
[better suited on this thread that the one it was originally on]
This thread is going nowhere, just like all the others over the years promising to change the world (maybe we have our fair share of genuine MP’s on here 
).
It’s still talk talk talk and no action. Tony you’ve said you’ll be the voice so go and get on with your shouting for your brothers 
. But wait, no you can’t, because you need everyone’s backing remember 
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But hang on, this forum/website doesn’t represent/bring together - call it what you like - EVERY driver in the country does it In fact, out of the so many thousand members there are probably only about 50 of us that actually discuss/contribute anything on the forums. Now compare that 50 of us to how many drivers there are in the country 
. You’re not even looking at 0.01% and even of that 0.01% there’s been perhaps 10% of that figure again coming forward and saying they want no involvement in any strike action/blockade/picketing to improve conditions because they’re plenty happy enough where they are on the money they’re getting, so what chance in hell do you have or managing to pull anything off re striking/picketing/whatever when you’re faced with those figures. Get real man 
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For Gawd’s sake, T & D is meant to be the UK’s leading truck driver magazine but you get chatting to a driver at an MSA or where you’re tipping and mention an article you’ve read about x in T & D (or Truck & Driver magazine to use its full title) and the majority of them will have never heard of it or “I don’t read truck mags, I just come here to work, get paid and go home at the end of the day”. The same goes for the PDA (used for as an example). When was the last time you brought up the PDA in a conversation with another driver The majority of truckers haven’t heard of them, nor this website so what chance do you handful of people have trying to change the world when your fellow truckers haven’t even heard of these things, never mind Joe Public 
You have an accident at work or some work related incident where you’ve come off bad and tell the tale to another driver and the first thing they’ll say is “are you in a Union?”. Any Union or “organisation” (such as PDA) you mention other than URTU will never have been heard of. So why don’t we all go to URTU to get the world sorted out then Because they’re too busy filling their own fat pockets and drivers have lost confidence in them to do Jack [zb] about changing the world but simply have them as “back-up” for occasions when you’re involved in an RTA (for example) which you’ve (naturally) been blamed for as a trucker but you didn’t ■■■■ well cause the crash. THEN that’s when everyone goes to URTU for them take on the fight for justice for you and get your money’s worth out of them.
It’s a catch 22 situation. Our supposed Union is publicly recognised as being URTU and if they jumped up and down enough then maybe just maybe someone might start doing something if the shouting was loud enough but they’ve [zb] us over too many times now and no-one wants anything to do with them apart from using their legal back-up when need be. So we’re left with all these small poxy Unions and organisations which Joe Public has never heard of so even if they could hear the teeny-weeny voice somewhere in the back of the box threatening to go on strike if they didn’t pay us £10/hr now etc, then they sure as hell aren’t going to be taking the slightest bit of notice of it are they
It’s all very good saying, “but look at the big picture on the horizon” but there isn’t any way to get to it without years and years and years of trying to get your voice heard. Has it escaped your notice that organisations like the PDA have been campaigning to get the world changed for the past Gawd-knows-how-long (amongst other Unions and organisations) and look where they are Pretty much still sitting at the start line because it’s another tiny voice in a corner which Joe Public is laughing at going, “yeah yeah yeah whatever, another no-weight whinger bleating about something or other”, and then returning to their current office discussion of who [zb] who at the weekend.
It’s a well known fact that people think “UNIONS” when they want anything doing to improve their working environment, not “small voice organisations” with a couple of hundred members or whatever.
I don’t know what the solution is to the overall problems we’re faced with in this industry but I do feel that the only way forward where we will get our voice heard and perhaps start to get things changed is through a well established Union. If that means that we have to kick/vote the current URTU committee off the bench and chuck them out’ the window then so be it. But there pops up another problem. Folks don’t want to part with their money to become a member because of their past done-nothing record, so it will be a divide of drivers again: those who have faith and are willing to give it a go (yet again) and those who are sick of the lies from the Government and the Fat Cats over the years, have totally lost confidence in anything ever changing in the future and say [zb] it and carry on with life as normal (like myself).
There isn’t any one answer to whole shebang. You could talk about it for ever but talking isn’t doing. I look forward to you putting your wheels in motion Tony as surely by now you can’t do anymore talking on the subject on here; it’s all been said time and time again.
I haven’t even touched on the subject of P45’s waiting when we return from our strike, but that’s another major spanner in the works. I also wouldn’t want to put myself in that position just like all the other drivers.
Enough’s been said above to dwel on without adding more to it.
My 2p on it anyway.
With respect.
Thank-u for your contribution Rob,
Your post was very interesting and reasonable with a host of very good AND valid points…You come across as intelligent and may i say VERY articulate,in fact just the kind of guy i would welcome to speak out alongside me and others to try to find some common ground by which to move forward…The other organisation you mentioned and quite rightly pointed out have done nothing, and are still on the starting blocks, will stay there,only to whatch me and others jolt this industry into accepting change…THE TIME FOR CHANGE IS UPON US GENTLEMEN…TRUST ME,… YOU TOO Pat… TONY… 
I would just like to add that my mentioning of the PDA in my reply was purely for example purposes and not deliberately included with intent to stir.
I would like to hope that it isn’t edited out and that fellow members can continue replying and discussing without referring directly to my mentioning of the PDA.
oddsodz:
so for all your bleating and winging the trucknet website cannot do anything to help the uk drivers get better pay and conditions then??
So if it dosn’t do what you want it to do why do you keep coming on here, You obviously seem disheartened with the site not being proactive but I and many others don’t see the site as crusading knight sweeping all in its path aside to get better working conditions for professional drivers but as a place where we can air our views/grievences and listen to other drivers opinions.
Tony,Im sure your heart is in the right place but once again got to say that youre peeing in the wind,its a big bad world out there and not every one is a trolly dolly,theres the guy doing gen haul for flip all etc,good luck and best wishes. 
north surrey haulage:
oddsodz:
so for all your bleating and winging the trucknet website cannot do anything to help the uk drivers get better pay and conditions then??So if it dosn’t do what you want it to do why do you keep coming on here, You obviously seem disheartened with the site not being proactive but I and many others don’t see the site as crusading knight sweeping all in its path aside to get better working conditions for professional drivers but as a place where we can air our views/grievences and listen to other drivers opinions.
I take it you are know the mouth peice of trucknet then??
mods is this another personnal attack or just a load of old testicals?
My point is theres half a dozen citing riot for the many who dont earn what you lot do, just leave us to what we are happy with,if you are not happy with that,jack your well paid job in and give it to me,I CAN DO THAT!!!..you are using trucknet as a platform for your ranting and ravings as to what we should have as wages,perhaps trucknet has some points it can give the us,perhaps a little help as to what we can do,or even for you to shut your gob and stop inciting rebellion■■?
oddsodz:
north surrey haulage:
oddsodz:
so for all your bleating and winging the trucknet website cannot do anything to help the uk drivers get better pay and conditions then??So if it dosn’t do what you want it to do why do you keep coming on here, You obviously seem disheartened with the site not being proactive but I and many others don’t see the site as crusading knight sweeping all in its path aside to get better working conditions for professional drivers but as a place where we can air our views/grievences and listen to other drivers opinions.
I take it you are know the mouth peice of trucknet then??
mods is this another personnal attack or just a load of old testicals?My point is theres half a dozen citing riot for the many who dont earn what you lot do, just leave us to what we are happy with,if you are not happy with that,jack your well paid job in and give it to me,I CAN DO THAT!!!..you are using trucknet as a platform for your ranting and ravings as to what we should have as wages,perhaps trucknet has some points it can give the us,perhaps a little help as to what we can do,or even for you to shut your gob and stop inciting rebellion■■?
A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF BROTHERS STICKING TOGETHER
JUST GIVE UP THE WHOLE IDEA TONY, IT WILL NEVER GO ANYWHERE ON HERE, SERIOUSLY
some drivers on this page are worse than old women.
either lets get moving or forget the whole issue all this back bighting is getting us no where if certain drivers do not like what some of us are trying to arrange they should may be keep their comments to there self,
if you all who wont this strike where to get your act together and come up with some thing that we all as truckdrivers can work for to gether ,why dont you who wont this strike come up with a working party??,that can show us that there could be a point in going on strike then perhaps you would get the support you are trying to get…stop looking for blue peter badges
some drivers on this page are worse than old women.
And some of us are !!! 
souds like you are trying to do a bit of winding up the part of the reasons the hauage in this country is in such a mess is the same old thing drivers and some hauliers wont stick together,
not every driver wants strikes instead of picking faults come up with some ideas.
I FOR ONE DONT WANT TO COME OUT ON STRIKE.
SO LETS STOP GOING ROUND IN CIRCLES AND COME UP WITH IDEAS
CANNONBALL:
SO LETS STOP GOING ROUND IN CIRCLES AND COME UP WITH IDEAS
WHAT AGAIN
Kate:
some drivers on this page are worse than old women.
And some of us are !!!
ROFLMFAO!!!
WE NEED A PAGE JUST FOR IDEAS WITHOUT THE COMMENTS AS WELL
the reasons to go on strike would be better first,more money,better conditions or what would you like truckdriver? home every night? sorry the job does not carry that…bigger truck fh16 by chance?? sorry theres no money for that…as the boss i dont dictate the rates if im to dear they give it to some one else,so im sorry no big motor no pay rise and out every night,take it or leave it…
my father drove trucks and it was just the same then as it know,it wont change as it hasnt for over 45 years,