And if the company don’t pay you for waiting time, go to work for another company.
Its bad enough that the FTA/RHA have stitched us up, again, with this WTD so that we are still at work stupidly long hours to improve the gaffers profit margins. If you aren’t getting paid because you are waiting, that is even more of your money in the gaffers pocket.
That is why I tried to explain the difference between what WTD working time means, and what wages working time should mean.
60 hour weeks, wages time, would include tacho breaks with some companies but not all. Do you get paid for tacho breaks now?
If your boss claims he hasn’t been told what the WTD means, that, legally, is his problem. Ignorance of the law is no defence, in law.
Anything else about this, which you are not sure about, ask us. We’ll do our best to help you get it clear, so that you know what you have to do. Then its up to you whether or not you do it.
Keep your own records of how many hours you do each week (the new Drivers Hour Guard, when its available will help). That way you will know when you are due a reasonable amount of time off, so you can plan to make the most of it and you should be paid £410 for that week off (I think). Give the job a go, it might be OK and is some of that all important experience, when you go for some other job that looks like its what you want. Do you have a Palletline franchise near you? Our Palletline delivery/collection drivers work 8 till 6, Mon to Friday and get a good wage for it. Not the job for me though.
Well done andy in getting the job m8 thing is m8 if you dont like the job leave m8, ive always done that i will not make myself unhappy just for cash. Thats why ive decided that it is time to get out of driving. I called my old boss the other day to try get a job back on the council, as a summer worker road sweeping litter picking having a good time in the sun. start at 7am finnish at 3pm. All so i can save £1000 to do training as a plumber hopefully it will work out better than driving has for me.
This WTD lark is such a load of [zb]. Every time you stop whack it on break and every stop say that you knew how long you were going to be there for. Say that you uncoupled from the trailer while it was being tipped, loaded.
I’ve only just got the hang of all the hours ins and outs after about 4 years on the job and I only just found out about that split shift lark after reading a thread on here yesterday.
You’d need a supercomputer to work out all your reduced rest/weekly rest add it on after bla bla bla. I just make sure I don’t drive more than 4 1/2 at a time no more than 9 or 10 couple of times a week, have enough daily rest and at least 36 hours which is normally 48 at the weekend and then hope for the best.
Pat Hasler:
All of you seem to worry about this WTD
I had it explained to me by a very highly placed transport official a couple of weeks ago and it will make no difference You can still be at work for 60 hours providing that you are informed that you will spend time at each drop waiting etc, the company can then take this in to account and add it to the set hours as extra. If you arrive at a drop and there is a delay that you were not informed of then that would be included in the set hours All you have to say tocarry on working 60 hours a week is say you were informed of every delay.
It’s very simple.
Quite right that is the stupidity of this law. How are VOSA going to prove you didnt know about the deyay?
north surrey haulage:
And as for having to work 60 hrs I dont want to sound sarcastic but welcome to the real world
Fair enough, I know a lot of people have to work long hours to earn enough to support themselves and/or their families, but I don’t need to work all them hours, I just can’t find anything else more suitable for me.
Could anybody honestly say that if they were in my position (live at home, only got to pay for my car and my keep), that they would work more than they needed to just because they can. What am I supposed to do with the money, frame it? I certainly won’t have time to spend it.
I know I’m whinging a bit here (sorry) and that you don’t mean to be patronising or anything, but the more I think of it the more silly it seems to me.
I.m with Andy on this one, I live on my own, life is bad enough as it is without having to work as well. I work when I have to,but spend as much time as possible doing the things that please me most. Ok, I run an old banger and I dont have holidays away, but I dont worry about needing to earn for a family or mortgage( council tenant).Or worry about how to survive if I didn’t have a job. Each to their own I suppose.
By the way,good luck in your new job,Andyroo, onwards and upwards
I reckon you 2 need to job share then the only problem for you will be who’s going to start sunday - tuesday night ,and who’s going to run wednesday til the end of the week
As for paid breaks, if your boss is salarying you, then you just have the breaks when it suits or is requiered, as your not having to string it out for the overtime, or getting cut short when there isnt the work available. I used to do quiete a lot of multi drop work , well 7-8 drops on a trailer, plus pick ups on return. realy enjoyed it, bust a gut on outward jurney, so that i would be empty that night, then string it out for an easy day on the return leg, when i say multi drop 7-8 drops that dont sound a lot, but it did include running out of Yarmouth to say the south west or north east or whereever then all the drops would be in the same area…
Well the driver I was sitting in with decided that it was his ticket for an easy day, so I drove today. L Reg FL6 Heaven and had the stress of being told where to go to the nth degree all day - “No forward a bit, that’ll do ya!”
Long day, but not too hard by the looks of it and provided I get something better than the FL6 (it was the worst motor they had) and get used to the hours I reckon it’s alright for the time being.
Andyroo:
Well the driver I was sitting in with decided that it was his ticket for an easy day, so I drove today. L Reg FL6 Heaven and had the stress of being told where to go to the nth degree all day - “No forward a bit, that’ll do ya!”
Long day, but not too hard by the looks of it and provided I get something better than the FL6 (it was the worst motor they had) and get used to the hours I reckon it’s alright for the time being.
Don’t be too harsh on him Andy, you’re probably the only entertainment he gets.
You can still be at work for 60 hours providing that you are informed that you will spend time at each drop waiting etc, the company can then take this in to account and add it to the set hours as extra. If you arrive at a drop and there is a delay that you were not informed of then that would be included in the set hours 
then the only problem for you will be who’s going to start sunday - tuesday night ,and who’s going to run wednesday til the end of the week 
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