Monkey241:
Should old bill attend a possibly violent incident with a single patrol if others are available?
We have no idea how this ‘gentleman’ behaved to the camera operator though I seem to recall it wasn’t portrayed as benign. Then of course we have the issue of refusing to answer the door…how would you expect old bill to react?
This gentleman has now claimed he did it all to highlight his medical condition and draw attention to fund raising. The cynic in me wonders why this is only now coming to light.
He’s also revelling in the Banksy caricature.
Ill or not, old bill have an alleged offence with an immediately identifiable suspect and an official complaint. Being ill generally isn’t an excuse to break the law
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In what sense is mooning a copper in a speed van “possibly violent”? The dying pensioner wasnt even there - they had to track him down to his home through his car - they could have sent a letter. They only went 6 handed cos this stupid copper wanted his own back for being made to look like the idiot he is.
The next time you need the police ask for 6 of them. See how lucky you get. Ive heard the only way to get the police out of the doughnut shop is to shout “officer down, officer down”. Then they turn up.
Read the article again.
He says a police van was there after about 20 minutes.
They “ended up knocking on the windows”
Then… other vehicles arrived.
He is under investigation for indecent exposure and dangerous driving.
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So, it wasn’t sending half a dozen cops round straight away. It seems to be his refusing to talk when only one or two were there thst escalated it all.
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Why didn’t he make them a cup of tea, and say it looks bad but it’s just silly, it’s my bucket list? Maybe it would have made no difference? Maybe it would be a severe finger wagging? It sure is all written up now.
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Refusing to open the door is never going to go well. And his health issues wouldn’t have been apparent to them would it?
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It wasnt life or death was it - why on earth were they sending more cars round after they saw he was a seriously ill pensioner? Were they scared? Did he really need to be arrested? It wasnt indecent exposure - nothing of the sort - that was just something the cop made up cos he felt a bit silly. His police mates should have laughed and told him to grow up.
He did the right thing refusing to open the door - 5 men throwing him to the floor and kneeling on him, hes lucky they didnt kill him.
He did tell the police it was a bucket list - he said dont you think its funny? and the police said “no”. I know theres never been a policeman yet with a sense of humour but surely when you’re toe-ending a dying pensioner across the lawn with 5 mates to help you must ask yourself “what the hell am i doing?”
The day I need 5 mates to attack a dying pensioner is the day I will know its time to give up.
JeffA:
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It wasnt life or death was it - why on earth were they sending more cars round after they saw he was a seriously ill pensioner? Were they scared? Did he really need to be arrested? It wasnt indecent exposure - nothing of the sort - that was just something the cop made up cos he felt a bit silly. His police mates should have laughed and told him to grow up.
He did the right thing refusing to open the door - 5 men throwing him to the floor and kneeling on him, hes lucky they didnt kill him.
He did tell the police it was a bucket list - he said dont you think its funny? and the police said “no”. I know theres never been a policeman yet with a sense of humour but surely when you’re toe-ending a dying pensioner across the lawn with 5 mates to help you must ask yourself “what the hell am i doing?”
The day I need 5 mates to attack a dying pensioner is the day I will know its time to give up.
Since he wasn’t opening the door to the first van, how did they know he was an ill pensioner?
If someone refuses to open the door or interact, do you expect the Cops to get back in the van and go off for a cuppa?
File a report “No one came to the door so we went home”?
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After he had been messing them around, yes, I daresay any sense of humour would have been worn thin.
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It started as a van 20 minutes after he got home to investigate indecent exposure and dangerous driving, by someone mobile enough to drop his kecks then get back in car, and drive off.
Surely you see it was his refusing to even open the door or talk that led to it all escalating?
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I do agree it is ending up out of all proportion.
Mooning is silly. He could have smiled at the cop with the camera, held his hands up and said “nowt personal, it’s a joke against the camera”. Might have taken it down a notch? But he got in his car, and when details were being written down, drive off. Allegedly at speed.
No one is letting that go are they?
I’ve got sympathy for his state of health, but sorry, mostly he has bought this on himself.
As I have said previously, and Jeffa has repeated, why was it necessary to even attend the man’s house, following the ‘mooning’? It seems odd that ‘they alleged speeding away’ FROM A SPEED CAMERA!!! And such prompt policing, 18 minutes from offence to attendance! I still say this could and should have been dealt with by post. It was a complete non-event that was blown out of all proportion. So I do believe Jeffa has some merit in saying it was because the speed gun cop got his/her knickers in a twist.
LazyDriver:
As I have said previously, and Jeffa has repeated, why was it necessary to even attend the man’s house, following the ‘mooning’? It seems odd that ‘they alleged speeding away’ FROM A SPEED CAMERA!!! And such prompt policing, 18 minutes from offence to attendance! I still say this could and should have been dealt with by post. It was a complete non-event that was blown out of all proportion. So I do believe Jeffa has some merit in saying it was because the speed gun cop got his/her knickers in a twist.
I agree…(no surprise I know. )
All the ifs buts and maybe are relevant, but it could gave been dealt with better,.and more proportional to the ‘‘crime’’ this chump commited.
Some copper has been made to look a ■■■ sat behind his camera and is offended be ain’t being taken seriously,.and his mates agree.
Any bloody thing to do with the law and the establishment is paramount to the pompous establishment and it’s cronies like the Police.
The old class system is still alive and well in this country, and if us 'plebs as they see us dare to take them on, in any shape or form,.and however trivial…they hate it.
That is why offences like tax fraud are viewed more serious than assault and theft etc,.and dealt with more severely.
At least abd as in many other cases, they have not done themselves any favours in the public eye.,if more of this stuff was highlighted maybe their PR dept would kick in to try and regain csome confidence from the public.
LazyDriver:
As I have said previously, and Jeffa has repeated, why was it necessary to even attend the man’s house, following the ‘mooning’? It seems odd that ‘they alleged speeding away’ FROM A SPEED CAMERA!!! And such prompt policing, 18 minutes from offence to attendance! I still say this could and should have been dealt with by post. It was a complete non-event that was blown out of all proportion. So I do believe Jeffa has some merit in saying it was because the speed gun cop got his/her knickers in a twist.
Looks like the Cop who received the mooning would have been trying to talk to the guy?
“I drove off when the speed camera van started taking my details” …umm?. The van wouldn`t have been taking his details would it? A Cop was taking his details when he drove off….
“I came home and within 20 minutes there was a police van outside. They were banging on the window. Within another five minutes, three squad cars turned up.”
A single van arrives. He refuses to talk. What can they do?
They dont know if he is ill, or a drunk, or a nutter. They cant just walk away from someone who won`t give details.
It started with mooning, yes. It ended up with much more.
Franglais:
“I came home and within 20 minutes there was a police van outside. They were banging on the window. Within another five minutes, three squad cars turned up.”…
… It started with mooning, yes. It ended up with much more.
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So, blown out of all proportion by over zealous policing.
Franglais:
“I came home and within 20 minutes there was a police van outside. They were banging on the window. Within another five minutes, three squad cars turned up.”…
… It started with mooning, yes. It ended up with much more.
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So, blown out of all proportion by over zealous policing.
If you think sending round a single van, 20mins after the guy arrived home, after he drove off without giving details, is “over zealous”? You are right. I don`t agree.
. After he drove off. After he refused to open the door or talk. Then more cars arrived.
He had his joke, fine. If he thinks being ill gives carte blanche to do anything he is wrong.
Have your joke, but grow up and accept the consequences.
Franglais:
“I came home and within 20 minutes there was a police van outside. They were banging on the window. Within another five minutes, three squad cars turned up.”…
… It started with mooning, yes. It ended up with much more.
^^^(edited)
So, blown out of all proportion by over zealous policing.
If you think sending round a single van, 20mins after the guy arrived home, after he drove off without giving details, is “over zealous”? You are right. I don`t agree.
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Something we will disagree on then. The fact that they wanted his details, presumably to send him a fine, and were able to obtain them remotely within 20 minutes, would beg the question, why would they then need to attend. What, to take his details again?
Franglais: After he drove off. After he refused to open the door or talk. Then more cars arrived.
He had his joke, fine. If he thinks being ill gives carte blanche to do anything he is wrong.
Have your joke, but grow up and accept the consequences.
I for one haven’t used his health as a mitigating circumstance. But 4 police vehicles for an adolescent prank! That’s the comical thing.
Franglais:
“I came home and within 20 minutes there was a police van outside. They were banging on the window. Within another five minutes, three squad cars turned up.”…
… It started with mooning, yes. It ended up with much more.
^^^(edited)
So, blown out of all proportion by over zealous policing.
If you think sending round a single van, 20mins after the guy arrived home, after he drove off without giving details, is “over zealous”? You are right. I don`t agree.
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Something we will disagree on then. The fact that they wanted his details, presumably to send him a fine, and were able to obtain them remotely within 20 minutes, would beg the question, why would they then need to attend. What, to take his details again?
Franglais: After he drove off. After he refused to open the door or talk. Then more cars arrived.
He had his joke, fine. If he thinks being ill gives carte blanche to do anything he is wrong.
Have your joke, but grow up and accept the consequences.
I for one haven’t used his health as a mitigating circumstance. But 4 police vehicles for an adolescent prank! That’s the comical thing.
It seems to be his attitude that since summat is on his bucket list, he should get a free go at it. The world isnt like that. Maybe some leeway is given by some, but how could Cops know this if he wont talk to them?
The cops did have a reg number etc, but didnt necessarily know who was the driver. How many times is it "Oh, it wasnt me driving". “My cars been nicked”?
How do they know he wasn`t drunk or whatever? Hardly everyday actions of a sober citizen is it? Rolling around in person to see what is happening seems perfectly rational to me.
Loads on here moan about the lack of personal touch policing but you are supporting faceless tickets in the post.
If he explained it was a bucket list foolish prank it may have been different. He chose to keep indoors and not communicate.
Monkey241:
Should old bill attend a possibly violent incident with a single patrol if others are available?
We have no idea how this ‘gentleman’ behaved to the camera operator though I seem to recall it wasn’t portrayed as benign. Then of course we have the issue of refusing to answer the door…how would you expect old bill to react?
This gentleman has now claimed he did it all to highlight his medical condition and draw attention to fund raising. The cynic in me wonders why this is only now coming to light.
He’s also revelling in the Banksy caricature.
Ill or not, old bill have an alleged offence with an immediately identifiable suspect and an official complaint. Being ill generally isn’t an excuse to break the law
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In what sense is mooning a copper in a speed van “possibly violent”? The dying pensioner wasnt even there - he had gone home - they had to track him down to his home through his car - they could have sent a letter. They only went 6 handed cos this stupid copper wanted his own back for being made to look like the idiot he is. Or he was bored sitting in the speed van and fancied duffing up a old dying pensioner with cancer.
The next time you need the police ask for 6 of them. See how lucky you get. Ive heard the only way to get the police out of the doughnut shop is to shout “officer down, officer down”. Then they turn up.
Well, that’s a bag of…
You think the civilian manning the van got his mates to go round mob handed?
Monkey241:
Should old bill attend a possibly violent incident with a single patrol if others are available?
We have no idea how this ‘gentleman’ behaved to the camera operator though I seem to recall it wasn’t portrayed as benign. Then of course we have the issue of refusing to answer the door…how would you expect old bill to react?
This gentleman has now claimed he did it all to highlight his medical condition and draw attention to fund raising. The cynic in me wonders why this is only now coming to light.
He’s also revelling in the Banksy caricature.
Ill or not, old bill have an alleged offence with an immediately identifiable suspect and an official complaint. Being ill generally isn’t an excuse to break the law
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In what sense is mooning a copper in a speed van “possibly violent”? The dying pensioner wasnt even there - he had gone home - they had to track him down to his home through his car - they could have sent a letter. They only went 6 handed cos this stupid copper wanted his own back for being made to look like the idiot he is. Or he was bored sitting in the speed van and fancied duffing up a old dying pensioner with cancer.
The next time you need the police ask for 6 of them. See how lucky you get. Ive heard the only way to get the police out of the doughnut shop is to shout “officer down, officer down”. Then they turn up.
Well, that’s a bag of…
You think the civilian manning the van got his mates to go round mob handed?
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Someone got them round there mob-handed somehow - that’s no easy thing. When I phoned them cos my car had been broken into and robbed they just gave me a “crime number” over the phone. Presumably because none of their feelings had been hurt. I bet if I’d said “My cars been broken into Mr Woodentop” he would have sent half a dozen round to crush me and make sure I “respect his authority”.
Monkey241:
Should old bill attend a possibly violent incident with a single patrol if others are available?
We have no idea how this ‘gentleman’ behaved to the camera operator though I seem to recall it wasn’t portrayed as benign. Then of course we have the issue of refusing to answer the door…how would you expect old bill to react?
This gentleman has now claimed he did it all to highlight his medical condition and draw attention to fund raising. The cynic in me wonders why this is only now coming to light.
He’s also revelling in the Banksy caricature.
Ill or not, old bill have an alleged offence with an immediately identifiable suspect and an official complaint. Being ill generally isn’t an excuse to break the law
Sent from my SM-G981B using Tapatalk
In what sense is mooning a copper in a speed van “possibly violent”? The dying pensioner wasnt even there - he had gone home - they had to track him down to his home through his car - they could have sent a letter. They only went 6 handed cos this stupid copper wanted his own back for being made to look like the idiot he is. Or he was bored sitting in the speed van and fancied duffing up a old dying pensioner with cancer.
The next time you need the police ask for 6 of them. See how lucky you get. Ive heard the only way to get the police out of the doughnut shop is to shout “officer down, officer down”. Then they turn up.
Well, that’s a bag of…
You think the civilian manning the van got his mates to go round mob handed?
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Someone got them round there mob-handed somehow - that’s no easy thing. When I phoned them cos my car had been broken into and robbed they just gave me a “crime number” over the phone. Presumably because none of their feelings had been hurt. I bet if I’d said “My cars been broken into Mr Woodentop” he would have sent half a dozen round to crush me and make sure I “respect his authority”.
It was 4 males and 2 women.
Who was holding the camera? His wife [emoji1787]
You got a crime number for your car? Any idea of the problems associated with that investigation?
But here we have an offence that could well see the man on the ■■■ Offenders Register with an almost immediate identification.
I count 5 hairy-bottomed police officers holding him down in this photo monkey. The bad guy doesn’t exactly look like Canelo Alvarez does he - I’m not sure I’d be screaming for my mates to come and help when I had 40 years on him. It’s not going to be Decca Heggie vs Danny Christie the rematch is it?
Are they really going to charge him? I can’t see it - it was just the police throwing a rather effeminate hissy fit. They all went round in a big flounce to intimidate and threaten him for not respecting their speed van mate.
I imagine the problem with sending someone round to my car being robbed was that they were all out rolling round in the muck with dying pensioners. Probably would have chinned his 70 year old wife if she’d answered back.
Alvarez - just unified the world boxing title on saturday.
The footage is released isn’t it? - can’t you hear him saying “I’m a dying man and it was on my bucket list”? I wouldn’t call mooning a speed van “Indecent exposure” no. Not in a million years.
The police also put you on the ground when their feelings have been hurt and they want to play the big man. You’re not happy paying a fortune in council tax so the police can investigate crimes like this are you? What about that murdering cop who used to drive round with no trousers on showing the women at macdonalds drive thru his meat and two veg? Surely that’s indecent exposure? No police investigated that - they just called him “The ■■■■■■” and laughed about it.
JeffA:
Alvarez - just unified the world boxing title on saturday.
The footage is released isn’t it? - can’t you hear him saying “I’m a dying man and it was on my bucket list”? I wouldn’t call mooning a speed van “Indecent exposure” no. Not in a million years.
The police also put you on the ground when their feelings have been hurt and they want to play the big man. You’re not happy paying a fortune in council tax so the police can investigate crimes like this are you? What about that murdering cop who used to drive round with no trousers on showing the women at macdonalds drive thru his meat and two veg? Surely that’s indecent exposure? No police investigated that - they just called him “The ■■■■■■” and laughed about it.
I can hear him saying it after he’s on the floor [emoji6]…but that’s the problem, suspects lie.
He claims he received no treatment…I find that unlikely…unless he refused it
Does it look bad? Sure.
But then we have 30 seconds of footage and his account. Refusing to answer the door initially suggests this ‘gentleman’ wasn’t as benign as he pretends.
You wouldn’t call mooning a police van indecent exposure? But the legal statute would. That’s the only bit that matters here.
Do I mind paying for this bloke to be arrested? No. I prefer my 10 year old girl not to witness old men getting their ■■■ out.
As for the copper driving around without pants…irrelevant to this case.
And the coppers who maybe turned a blind eye need jailing too
So if mooning a police van is indecent exposure what do they call going to the macdonalds drive thru with no trousers on?
Can you see them prosecuting this in the cold light of day? It’s just been a complete waste of time and money - which is what the police are best at. I’d get the guy in the speed van and tell him “The next time someone moons you DO NOT report it as indecent exposure so you get 6 police, 3 cars and a helicopter - simply say someone made you feel a bit silly. Maybe even laugh about it”. Certainly if I’d been one of the 6 cops going round to investigate “indecent exposure” I would have been sorely tempted to chin the policeman who had claimed indecent exposure instead of “He mooned the speed van”.
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