Miners strike, drivers strike

lilbow73:

Lawrence Dunbar:
Is Sissons still going I often loaded back of them from The Gyp Factory the last I heard Fergys from Blyth had the work plus East Leake Regards Larry Retired owner driver well sort of.

Hi Larry,yes they are still on the go.Not half as big as they used to be.The story goes they were stitched up regally by ES and lost some of their work.Well allegedly!!

Well theres a surprise, But having said that , he even intented to put a depot close by , but I dont think it ever came off.?,but Im pleased to here they are still going.

Bewick:
THE STRIKE----It was to put it bluntly–a right “balls up” some could carry on working,others couldn’t!!! IMO if there was going to be a strike,all drivers should have stopped,period! Cheers Bewick.

■■■■ right, it was the same with the miners, the Nottinghamshire miners (in the main)didn’t support their mates who were on strike elsewhere.
If you HAVE to have a strike you need to be 100% together or you’re wasting your time.
Just my opinion.

sammyopisite:
Am I correct in thinking that the B R S did not participate in the drivers strike as well as all the own account fleets as I can’t remember but I think that was the case. I was a shop steward at Sykes Bulk Liquids when it happened and I will add my views of it soon as it may be a long post.
cheers Johnnie

Hi Sammie,BRS drivers were on strike as they picketed A E Evans’ yard on Cricket Inn Road.All Evans’ drivers were in the URTU and we had our own agreement with them.We had to go down to Hartshead T and G office to get special dispensation forms signed so that we could carry on working out of the NCB refinery at Manvers,Wath as we did a lot of pet. spirit to animal by-products sites like FMC and Prosper de Mulder.We also had to keep the BP/Amoco North Sea Gas storage sites clear of condensate so gas could carry on being produced,it either went into Manvers or Immingham Storage.I can’t remember how long it went on for but our yard was soon minus pickets.Like has been said,everybody should have been out,pointless split like it was.

This is the form that we got signed complete with some,but not all,vehicle regs running out of Sheffield.Why the rest weren’t listed I just don’t know,very half-hearted they were down there.

You can see how modern the fleet was in 1979 by the reg numbers,two were Marathons,one was a Buffalo and the rest Mandators. :laughing:

I remember the Scottish drivers striking in 1974 for £1 an hour for 40 hours basic.

Found this on the net and was apparently taken in 1979 at Felixstowe docks

The lorry drivers’ strike from my perspective.

At this time W.H. Williams (Haulage) Ltd had 170 employees with only about half TGWU members. None or very few would have been had it not been that Thorn Domestic Appliances, who accounted for 30% of our turnover allowed their Spennymoor plant which employed about 7,000 to become a closed shop, with union members inspecting union cards at the security gate.

Our drivers were on relatively good wages due to our bonus scheme which I have described on W.H.Williams thread. To give an example a driver was paid 9 hours at double time to drive down to Kingston on Thames, where the majority parked in the London area, on a Sunday afternoon. 11 hours to travel to Portsmouth. We had plenty of work that made overtime readily available. Our base rate however was the agreed industry rate per hour plus subsistence, meal allowances, parking fees etc.

Traditionally wages had been fixed by the Road Haulage Wages Council, which was governed by The Truck Act.(An act of parliament governing several wages councils nothing to do with Trucking) This set out wages per hour to be paid and gave legal right that employees were paid in cash and various other rights. The Road Haulage Wages Council had legal powers to attend our premises and inspect our records to ensure we were paying the correct amount, fine employers who were not and make them pay employees any underpayments.

This was before the days of legal minimum wage but in many ways served a similar purpose. Unions and employers and the government thought the Truck act should be repealed and it was. Also you have to take into consideration the state of the country in the late seventies, when Hughie Green went on television and begged for industrial peace, as he saw unrest and strikes were destroying our great country.

It is easy to criticise the TGWU, whose officials lavished themselves at expensive hotels and over seas meetings at their member’s expense, but at least they were, in my opinion a lot more organised than the employers that consisted of so many hauliers who had no experience with the type of industrial relations that was heading their way.

The unions insisted that they would not negotiate on a national basis but chose regional negotiations. The only negotiators were local Road Haulage Association Comities. In the North East the representatives on these comities were made up of small hauliers who in the majority of cases attended their RHA meetings for a chin wag and drink. The North East committee was made up of some who were little more than owner drivers.

My father and I had discussions with Bob Stephenson of the TGWU representative from Newcastle. For the union the red line was £65.00 for a forty hour week, and haulers had only offered £60. Although a true ballot of union workers would never had voted to strike there were several activists that were determined to bare their teeth and in their eyes bring the country to standstill. At the time our wages were not bad, as I have already said and our problem was absenteeism among some. Particularly on a Monday morning after a good Sunday’s drinking

My answer was to agree to the £60 which was the base rate plus £5.00 per week attendance allowance which gave the union £65.00 which they were demanding but kept the overtime and double time payments and holiday pay based on the £1.50 per hour rate. (In those days holiday pay was paid at 50 hours at basic time) We got agreement and the strike started unofficially and we carried on working paying as our new agreement.

However I was watching News at ten when as Big Ben struck it was announced that the Transport Strike was made official. We had four night shift loaders working within Thorn loading our vehicles and they were told to go home as they were on strike in support of the drivers who were on strike.

We were on strike for nine days and I will over the next day or so on the W.H.Williams Thread explain in detail what happened and some details of back door dealings and personalities that put us and others back on the road earlier that the official end of the strike.

A great memory of those times Carl. Interesting reading.

Is this the same WOOLYBACK (ray) that used to work for Jimmy Mulligan■■? :smiley: :smiley:

I remember the Miners strike, allthough I wasnt involved in hauling coal I was in fact hauling sand, I had to pass two pits on route, …the miners were very hostile at both of them. Also I knew some of them ,they actually went to school at the same time as me,and it was noted that several of them picketting were there 5 days on the trot■■?. The pit manager noticed this a asked how come they had 5 days in ?, when they never had a full week in when they were working, allways had a Monday off, so why were they on strike it didnt look like it was for the money.

Lawrence Dunbar:
I remember the Miners strike, allthough I wasnt involved in hauling coal I was in fact hauling sand, I had to pass two pits on route, …the miners were very hostile at both of them. Also I knew some of them ,they actually went to school at the same time as me,and it was noted that several of them picketting were there 5 days on the trot■■?. The pit manager noticed this a asked how come they had 5 days in ?, when they never had a full week in when they were working, allways had a Monday off, so why were they on strike it didnt look like it was for the money.

Hi Lawrence, you mention the Monday off.

When Courtaulds opened at Spennymoor, one of the conditions was that they employed a high percentage of ex miners. Courtaulds was a continuous plant where the production staff worked 4 times 12 hour shifts one week and 3 times 12 hour shifts next week averaging 40 hours per week.The factory was built with no female toilets in production areas hence all male workforce. Ex miners would not turn in on Mondays because by routine they had been used to Mondays off after a scinfull on Sundays. courtaulds work would have suited female workers but because of the bias towards jobs for ex miners it was all male

Best wishes

Carl Williams

Lawrence Dunbar:
I remember the Miners strike, allthough I wasnt involved in hauling coal I was in fact hauling sand, I had to pass two pits on route, …the miners were very hostile at both of them. Also I knew some of them ,they actually went to school at the same time as me,and it was noted that several of them picketting were there 5 days on the trot■■?. The pit manager noticed this a asked how come they had 5 days in ?, when they never had a full week in when they were working, allways had a Monday off, so why were they on strike it didnt look like it was for the money.

The old question: “Why do miners only work a four-day week? Because the wages aren’t quite enough for them to manage on three days”.

I remember the strike. I drove for MAT out of MIFT on Trafford Park. We were all out including Hausers and the subbies. We stood at the side of the canal just as you go over the bridge on the right freezing our nuts off. I was glad when it was all over. Supprising how many hire motors were on the road during the strike.

grumpy old man:

Bewick:
THE STRIKE----It was to put it bluntly–a right “balls up” some could carry on working,others couldn’t!!! IMO if there was going to be a strike,all drivers should have stopped,period! Cheers Bewick.

■■■■ right, it was the same with the miners, the Nottinghamshire miners (in the main)didn’t support their mates who were on strike elsewhere.
If you HAVE to have a strike you need to be 100% together or you’re wasting your time.
Just my opinion.

It wasn’t a case of them “not supporting their mates”; Scargill called the strike and refused to ballot the membership. Ask any Notts miner and he’ll tell you that if Scargill had called a ballot, they’d probably have voted in favour. I very much doubt if the result would have been any different, but it would probably have been over quicker.

I lived in Eastwood at the time of the 1984 strike. Not a pleasant place, with family members set against each other.

kevmac47:

woolyback:
hi guys
any body got any photos of the miners strike or even the truck drivers strike. can remember miners strike well worked for banks bros (top fellas), can remeber drivers strike as i think ods were allowed to work , went with me dad kept consett fires going i think stories tooo

This is turning out to be a good thread Brian, your dad must have some memories was he working for Donkeyfreight then?

he worked for me granda i was a cab rat remember taking coal to conset and crossing the picket line apparently od s were allowed to drive

I ran Cotgrave to Cottham power station.I dont think we were allways convoyed.Rail way sleepers dropped off a bridge on our route rings a bell.Mists of time and all that but i can still remember my motor and reg YED 376T Foden 290 ■■■■■■■

brandsbybank:
I ran Cotgrave to Cottham power station.I dont think we were allways convoyed.Rail way sleepers dropped off a bridge on our route rings a bell.Mists of time and all that but i can still remember my motor and reg YED 376T Foden 290 ■■■■■■■

I used to ride with my Uncle from Cotgrave to Cottham too when the strike was on. I do remember there not being too much hassle and we never encountered the railway sleepers. I do remember driving through some picket lines but there was nothing thrown at the vehicle. I do know the reg we were travelling in SRB 414X, Leyland Octopus. Sorry I have no pics of this lorry at all:(
Who did you work for at the time brandsbybank?

Cheers
Matt

In the drivers strike of the 70s I was a shop steward while working for “Sykes Bulk Liquids” and in the week before our dialogue with the transport office was for everybody to be parked up by Saturday night ( as most were tramping or continental ) empty and cleaned out when possible but on friday lunch time the wagon on Wyatts contract pulled in to fuel up and someone told him to park up and as he was loaded Terry came to see me and said he had a load of tallow on so I said I was on my way to the pub for a sandwich and it would be better to get the load off and come in. At our meeting on the Sunday we decided to Picket all the local oil depots and terminals our idea being if fuel was not getting out it would move things on very quickly. On the Monday morning the first day I was having a pot of tea around 0530 when the phone went and all hell had broken loose with all the big oil companies ringing our owner as their drivers would not cross the picket lines so after a call from transport house in London we were asked to suspend picketing the oil terminals and depots which we did by speaking to the oil shop stewards who knew our lads ( no mobiles then ) and explained what had happened. there was meetings all day at the top level and I was asked to attend a meeting at transport house in Leeds that evening to meet some top brass union men from London ( which I was reprimanded for secondary picketing ) at which the out come was that our firms primary business was as an oil company as 90% of the work was fuel so all the bulk liquid drivers were put onto delivering oil on shifts while the stewards sorted the other things out and we did have a verbal agreement for the £1 an hour but the productivity bonus had to be all thrashed out. We did have a signed agreement with in the first week but did not go back on general purpose work as the management or unions did not want it that way but we did do quite a lot of dispensation work and I had a copy of the signed agreement which I allowed several shop stewards to photo copy especially in Hull, Immingham, Manchester and Liverpool where we did a lot of work. I recall that there were some companies who would not agree to sign up to the £1 a hour and this extended the strike into several weeks.
Johnnie