Medical cannabis and HGV license

NEW AND WANNABE DRIVERS (INTERACTIVE)
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Zac_A:

Greenuser:
If you want information on how you can get medical cannabis in the U.K. the best place to go is the U.K. medical cannabis subreddit. You’ll be able to find out there if you will be eligible and the prices involved.

No, I do not want this information, I was just suggesting that you’ve got no chance of finding some numbnuts to take a chance on you driving their wagon.

EDIT: On re-reading your posts you were the one that claimed to “need” a gram of weed, and that you had a prescription for it, now you say it can’t be smoked on a prescription, so you’ve just identified yourself as a run-of-the-mill Troll. :unamused:

Don’t be silly - I have to vape my cannabis - no doctor will ever recommend smoking something.

I am within my legal rights to drive with cannabis in my system. I was only interested in finding out what I would need to do - someone on this topic has already advised to get a medical exemption certificate which is what I’ll do in due course. I’m starting training for the theory test next week

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Greenuser:

Zac_A:

Greenuser:
If you want information on how you can get medical cannabis in the U.K. the best place to go is the U.K. medical cannabis subreddit. You’ll be able to find out there if you will be eligible and the prices involved.

No, I do not want this information, I was just suggesting that you’ve got no chance of finding some numbnuts to take a chance on you driving their wagon.

EDIT: On re-reading your posts you were the one that claimed to “need” a gram of weed, and that you had a prescription for it, now you say it can’t be smoked on a prescription, so you’ve just identified yourself as a run-of-the-mill Troll. :unamused:

Don’t be silly - I have to vape my cannabis - no doctor will ever recommend smoking something.

I am within my legal rights to drive with cannabis in my system. I was only interested in finding out what I would need to do - someone on this topic has already advised to get a medical exemption certificate which is what I’ll do in due course. I’m starting training for the theory test next week

Look, my mate is a stoner and a driver at the same time. Some companies don’t even check your licence, just give you the keys and off you go.
If I was you I’d worry about it when I crash, not before [emoji16]

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^^^ we wait patiently to see the name of this operator in due course, when the inevitable happens it’s usually not long after the company goes out of business or sells out to a much bigger outfit who arn’t daft enough to let druggies or ■■■■ heads out in their vehicles.

What i don’t get is why those with various issues that require drugs to help, the type of drugs that putting it mildly arn’t exactly suited to driving licence holders, want to get into lorry driving of all jobs, doesn’t make any bloody sense.

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Greenuser:
I am within my legal rights to drive with cannabis in my system. I was only interested in finding out what I would need to do - someone on this topic has already advised to get a medical exemption certificate which is what I’ll do in due course. I’m starting training for the theory test next week

What a waste of money that would be, assuming there’s even an iota of truth in it: an unrepentant drug user who wants a job in what is arguably the most heavily legislated and regulated industry we have in modern life :laughing:

Entitlement to drive a car is one thing, entitlement to drive a truck is a whole other ball game with a different set of rules and I don’t think you know the first thing about how the system works; plus your attitude is an insult to the many many drivers who take their responsibilities very seriously. As Juddian has intimated, HGV driving is not the employment sector for drug users.

We have a whole separate layer of law enforcement you know nothing about, namely the DVSA, who can stop any truck they feel like for a spot check of vehicle or driver, and the Traffic Commissioner, who runs Public Inquiries and Driver Conduct Hearings, where he regularly takes away a driver’s HGV entitlements for a wide variety of reasons.

I find it impossible to believe that you’ve had a D4 medical where you were truthful and were given an HGV provisional entitlement on your licence, which is the first thing you’d need to do before even before signing up to do theory training.

Even if you cheated your way through the system, you can be fined £1000 for failing to disclose information to DVLA, such as a medical condition that could potentially warrant the exemption you’re talking about. And in the event of an accident you’d be prosecuted just for this failure to disclose, and that’s before we consider the other offences you’d be prosecuted for.

Even if you did cheat your way through the system and pass your tests, are you planning to admit to your drug use to an employer? I can’t think of a single Transport Manager I know who would take you on, I know for certain you wouldn’t drive for either of the companies where I’m on their O-licence, and if you cheated your way in you’d be liable for instant dismissal when you were caught out.

And the haulage industry has a vibrant grapevine, your name would soon be shared with others and you wouldn’t get a sniff of work anywhere in the surrounding area.

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Zac_A:

Greenuser:
I am within my legal rights to drive with cannabis in my system. I was only interested in finding out what I would need to do - someone on this topic has already advised to get a medical exemption certificate which is what I’ll do in due course. I’m starting training for the theory test next week

What a waste of money that would be, assuming there’s even an iota of truth in it: an unrepentant drug user who wants a job in what is arguably the most heavily legislated and regulated industry we have in modern life :laughing:

Entitlement to drive a car is one thing, entitlement to drive a truck is a whole other ball game with a different set of rules and I don’t think you know the first thing about how the system works; plus your attitude is an insult to the many many drivers who take their responsibilities very seriously. As Juddian has intimated, HGV driving is not the employment sector for drug users.

We have a whole separate layer of law enforcement you know nothing about, namely the DVSA, who can stop any truck they feel like for a spot check of vehicle or driver, and the Traffic Commissioner, who runs Public Inquiries and Driver Conduct Hearings, where he regularly takes away a driver’s HGV entitlements for a wide variety of reasons.

I find it impossible to believe that you’ve had a D4 medical where you were truthful and were given an HGV provisional entitlement on your licence, which is the first thing you’d need to do before even before signing up to do theory training.

Even if you cheated your way through the system, you can be fined £1000 for failing to disclose information to DVLA, such as a medical condition that could potentially warrant the exemption you’re talking about. And in the event of an accident you’d be prosecuted just for this failure to disclose, and that’s before we consider the other offences you’d be prosecuted for.

Even if you did cheat your way through the system and pass your tests, are you planning to admit to your drug use to an employer? I can’t think of a single Transport Manager I know who would take you on, I know for certain you wouldn’t drive for either of the companies where I’m on their O-licence, and if you cheated your way in you’d be liable for instant dismissal when you were caught out.

And the haulage industry has a vibrant grapevine, your name would soon be shared with others and you wouldn’t get a sniff of work anywhere in the surrounding area.

I think your approach is unfair to people who require medication to deal with health issues. Don’t refer to medical cannabis users as druggies. You might be lucky enough to have perfect health but some of us require medication.

Watch this video and see how cannabis helps this person. You wouldn’t want him driving before he has consumed his medication but after he has vaped his legal prescription his ticks are massively reduced.

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I’m not interested in pro-cannabis Youtube videos

I don’t understand why you think you should be allowed entry to an industry, about which you are utterly clueless. Any opinions you might have about the “fairness” of my POV are irrelevant, those involved in managing and running haulage companies have legal responsibilities you seem ill-equipped to grasp.

The hard facts, for you, are that HGV driving has definite health/medical requirements and if you need recreational drugs to function, you don’t belong behind the wheel of a large vehicle.

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Zac_A:
I’m not interested in pro-cannabis Youtube videos

I don’t understand why you think you should be allowed entry to an industry, about which you are utterly clueless. Any opinions you might have about the “fairness” of my POV are irrelevant, those involved in managing and running haulage companies have legal responsibilities you seem ill-equipped to grasp.

The hard facts, for you, are that HGV driving has definite health/medical requirements and if you need recreational drugs to function, you don’t belong behind the wheel of a large vehicle.

Agreed. Luckily I don’t require recreational drugs, just the medicine my doctors prescribe

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I cannot see anywhere this would be prescribed to a vocational licence holder, it seems that , Epilepsy. Chemotherapy and Multiple Sclerosis are the only thing a specialist hospital doctor may prescribe a cannabis product, not a GP.

nhs.uk/conditions/medical-cannabis/

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All cannabis users I know stink of it, turn up for your test and if you smell of it you won’t be going.

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I was speaking to the manager of a truck training company today, he laughed at the notion of someone driving professionally with any amount of cannabis in their system for any reason, and he suggested that his company would probably change their T’s & C’s to indemnify their selves against people as reckless as our OP.

I’m curious to know if forum sponsor PSTT already have such a policy in place to protect their self; I have a vague memory that Peter himself once made some reference to this topic.

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Funnily enough Dr Sara Jarvis was discussing it on Jeremy Vine and it isn’t commonly prescribed and at £300 per month I can see why.

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Hussar:
All cannabis users I know stink of it, turn up for your test and if you smell of it you won’t be going.

Good advice

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Wheel Nut:
Funnily enough Dr Sara Jarvis was discussing it on Jeremy Vine and it isn’t commonly prescribed and at £300 per month I can see why.

It is a bit pricey. I pay £300 for 60 grams and between 30-65 for the prescription. You don’t have to buy it every month though - there isn’t a contract in place. You can also order much less - for some people 10 grams lasts a few months

I’m being forced to switch to using CBD only products for a bit until I’m in employment due to a lack of funds. When I get my first pay cheque I’ll order more again.

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Guys.
Let’s think about for a minute. There has been folks who have been driving for 20-30 years while on Tramadol. Now I think we can all agree that that stuff is a slightly bit stronger than any form of cannabis and yet as long as it’s within legal limit you can drive no problem.

So why all the fuss about cannabis? It doesn’t have much more side effects than 2 ibuprofens [emoji2369]. I mean don’t get it twisted I would never drive stoned, especially now an hgv but there are drugs that are a lot stronger than cannabis and yet people are still allowed to drive while under the influence of them.
Something is wrong somewhere

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DSMRookie:
Guys.
Let’s think about for a minute. There has been folks who have been driving for 20-30 years while on Tramadol. Now I think we can all agree that that stuff is a slightly bit stronger than any form of cannabis and yet as long as it’s within legal limit you can drive no problem.

So why all the fuss about cannabis? It doesn’t have much more side effects than 2 ibuprofens [emoji2369]. I mean don’t get it twisted I would never drive stoned, especially now an hgv but there are drugs that are a lot stronger than cannabis and yet people are still allowed to drive while under the influence of them.
Something is wrong somewhere

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I tend to agree with this. I have experience of medical cannabis in the family too, as a relative was on it for CFS/ME. Helped massively to reduce their pain and suffering. But we have to be realistic here. No haulage company worth their salt is going to take on a cannabis user to drive their trucks. Whether it’s recreational or medical use makes no difference. It’s more hassle than it’s worth when there are ample drivers who are ‘clean’.

One thing which does strike me is the hypocrisy shown by other drivers in this thread over it. Pretty much all drivers over 50 now would have parked up for the night at the end of the day and then gone and had a meal and a skinful, often followed by a lock-in, 3 hours sleep and back on the road again with 10+ pints sloshing around in their system. That was just the done thing 20+ years ago and no-one saw any issue with it but mention the word cannabis and suddenly they’re all up in arms. :unamused:

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DCPCFML:
One thing which does strike me is the hypocrisy shown by other drivers in this thread over it. Pretty much all drivers over 50 now would have parked up for the night at the end of the day and then gone and had a meal and a skinful, often followed by a lock-in, 3 hours sleep and back on the road again with 10+ pints sloshing around in their system. That was just the done thing 20+ years ago and no-one saw any issue with it but mention the word cannabis and suddenly they’re all up in arms. :unamused:

Was it really “the done thing”? I’m sceptical. I’m 59 and the most I would allow myself on a night out was two cans. Even if it was the done thing, it isn’t anymore, no more than it is ‘the done thing’ for teachers to batter schoolchildren with slippers, canes, table-tennis bats, or even the flat of a massive hand from the school rugby playing teacher, any or all of which was an everyday event in the 1970’s.

Quite frankly, I’m pleased the world has moved on from both of these “traditions”

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Zac_A:

DCPCFML:
One thing which does strike me is the hypocrisy shown by other drivers in this thread over it. Pretty much all drivers over 50 now would have parked up for the night at the end of the day and then gone and had a meal and a skinful, often followed by a lock-in, 3 hours sleep and back on the road again with 10+ pints sloshing around in their system. That was just the done thing 20+ years ago and no-one saw any issue with it but mention the word cannabis and suddenly they’re all up in arms. :unamused:

Was it really “the done thing”? I’m sceptical. I’m 59 and the most I would allow myself on a night out was two cans. Even if it was the done thing, it isn’t anymore, no more than it is ‘the done thing’ for teachers to batter schoolchildren with slippers, canes, table-tennis bats, or even the flat of a massive hand from the school rugby playing teacher, any or all of which was an everyday event in the 1970’s.

Quite frankly, I’m pleased the world has moved on from both of these “traditions”

That’s a strawman argument. The fact is that boozing all night until the early hours then being back on the road at 6am was common and I suspect those members above who are sneering at this guy for having some smokes were regularly driving over the alcohol limit themselves. Short memories me thinks.

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I know that after a skinful of ale, it leaves your system and is untraceable within 24/36 hours, it sounds like they can trace drug use from hair samples for 3 months or more

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Wheel Nut:
I know that after a skinful of ale, it leaves your system and is untraceable within 24/36 hours, it sounds like they can trace drug use from hair samples for 3 months or more

And this is one of the problems for medical cannabis users.

I’ve been driving commercially on and off for the last 25 years. I’ve never been drug tested by the police but I’ve been breathalysed many times (always clean). But now the tests are so good you can fail a hair test by doing something as innocent as attending a Ziggy Marley concert lol.

I spoke with my work coach today who promised me it won’t be a problem with my future employer but I still worry slightly about the inconvenience of having to deal with VOSA. Like Zac A has demonstrated in this very topic - some people are very condescending towards ill people. I’m sure they see us as a burden on the state and would rather we were put down. I know we have rights but I don’t want to be the one to have to fight the battle - I’ll go back to more commonly accepted pain killers if that’s what it takes to get my license

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Greenuser:
I spoke with my work coach today who promised me it won’t be a problem with my future employer but I still worry slightly about the inconvenience of having to deal with VOSA. Like Zac A has demonstrated in this very topic - some people are very condescending towards ill people.

Why? Because I said I wouldn’t let you drive on one of my O-licences because you’d be an utter liability with the potential to sink a company and put all the other drivers out of work? That’s the bottom line with the haulage industry and you need a reality check, I don’t know one single TM who would give you the time of day.