switchlogic:
Well I for one think they are a good idea and work fine. Just as they do elsewhere like holland.
You don’t just drive on the motorway once a year to go on holiday or visit relatives.
Maybe they can change the signs and use two lanes for a runway and land planes when it’s quiet. That or build adequate proper transport infrastructure for the volumes of traffic in this country.
I agree, let’s just keep building endless roads till we have no countryside left. After all, we all love the beautiful vista a motorway affords.
Quite right lets not spoil the beautiful vista of places surrounding the motorways like Luton and Birmingham.
Anywhere that’s got motorway congestion will typically be next to a craphole already.
Not really, large sections of the rural M1 & M6 are traffic nightmares. And I’ve been stuck in traffic just today on the M4 in Wiltshire, that renowned craphole. And even if it was just in cities, how wide do you want them to be? How many houses do you want demolished, in this country with a housing shortage already.
mr lordi:
I swear I was two feet off rear ending it. I was nt to close to the lgv in front either.
I think by definition you were too close - otherwise you would have had enough room to bring your vehicle to a full stop without needing to swerve into the next lane.
Had it not occurred to you that perhaps the driver in front should have acted a little earlier then perhaps I too would have been able to react? There was plenty of room between myself and the wagon in front, lets not forget I didn’t see the car until he had fully passed. I think if I had fully slammed on then yes I probably could have stopped, but then at the time I had a split second to think about and there was traffic behind me. But you know best
switchlogic:
Well I for one think they are a good idea and work fine. Just as they do elsewhere like holland.
You don’t just drive on the motorway once a year to go on holiday or visit relatives.
Maybe they can change the signs and use two lanes for a runway and land planes when it’s quiet. That or build adequate proper transport infrastructure for the volumes of traffic in this country.
I agree, let’s just keep building endless roads till we have no countryside left. After all, we all love the beautiful vista a motorway affords.
Quite right lets not spoil the beautiful vista of places surrounding the motorways like Luton and Birmingham.
Anywhere that’s got motorway congestion will typically be next to a craphole already.
Plenty of congestion on the M25 and much of it runs through countryside like this.
youre going north on the 42,and just as you come around the corner at the m40 split...the first overhead gantry WILL say "congestion use hard shoulder". so...no need to change lanes then. but wait a minute...the next overhead gantry says hard shoulder for junction ? only. no problem...Ill move over now,only you cant coz its bumper to bumper.
so you stop and wait for someone to let you in…whilst everyone behind you gets annoyed.
nobody is going anywhere…its a load of ■■■■■■■■,dreamt up by people who simply dont have the on road experience to run our roads system.
turbot:
They could make it more idiot proof by returning the hard shoulder to its original and only use IMHO, for breakdowns and emergency’s only, the confusion arises from having a mixed use where one second it is motorway lane and the next a no go area. A recipe for disaster.
I’ve noticed on the M25 couple of times this week the overhead signs saying “red X means lane closed”. I think the public information films are a good idea. Of course that would require the goverment spending some money so i can’t see it happening anytime soon
People slowing down to admire the countryside is the problem ,demolish the countryside i say
Ironically that has always been London’s development policy over the years and no suprise the ones who shout loudest for it are usually the first ones who then decide they want to move away from the concrete zb hole which they’ve made for themselves.
Dav1d:
I’d rather new roads were built than waste cash on HS2.
What’s needed is to make better use of the roads we’ve got the reason for most of the so called ‘congestion’ being ridiculous motorway speed limits,bad lane discipline,and cars and trucks running at excessively slow speeds to save a few bob on fuel.
Dav1d wrote:I’d rather new roads were built than waste cash on HS2.
Explain why HS2 is a waste of cash
When the West Coast Mainline is full?
When the East Coast Mainline is nearly full?
When ridership on the railways is the highest since the 1920’s with only 1/3 of the network?
Or have you been listening to the NIMBYs
Dav1d wrote:I’d rather new roads were built than waste cash on HS2.
Explain why HS2 is a waste of cash
When the West Coast Mainline is full?
When the East Coast Mainline is nearly full?
When ridership on the railways is the highest since the 1920’s with only 1/3 of the network?
Or have you been listening to the NIMBYs
There’s actually nothing to stop the so called NIMBY’s from moving away assuming that the railway companies are willing to compensate everyone affected with the pre railway development market value of their properties.No surprise the big business rail operators don’t want to pay up and then play the NIMBY card to avoid their responsibilities and save yet more cash for themselves.
If it’s all about lack of passenger capacity then they wouldn’t be saying that it’s actually all about creating more capacity for freight on the existing passenger lines thereby taking more trucks off the road all to keep the global warming believers happy by tearing up yet more of the countryside.
Rail operators big business■■?
I dont think so especially when its all controlled by the Treasury and their proxy DfT.
You forgot that the railways were undercut by the road transport industry (Together with millitant rail union bosses, p poor management and a Minister of Transport who was a director in the road construction industry … Earnest Marples)
turbot:
They could make it more idiot proof by returning the hard shoulder to its original and only use IMHO, for breakdowns and emergency’s only, the confusion arises from having a mixed use where one second it is motorway lane and the next a no go area. A recipe for disaster.
turbot:
They could make it more idiot proof by returning the hard shoulder to its original and only use IMHO, for breakdowns and emergency’s only, the confusion arises from having a mixed use where one second it is motorway lane and the next a no go area. A recipe for disaster.
+1
+1agree totaly
+1 for me too, its like musical lanes on the M42/M6, hard shoulder open, then its not, then its for the next junction only. A complete cockup especially when the worst bottleneck at J9 sb never runs at more than three lanes, presumably because the motorway is either not wide enough or the concrete piers and beams the road is built on wouldn’t take the extra weight.
I sincerely hope whoever came up with the idea of carving the M6 through the middle of Brum never got a knighthood
This managed hard shoulder running Bollox imho dangerous causes more probs than it’s supposed to cure and the 1 on m62 west yorks is crazy seems you can’t go more than a mile or 2 before you get jct ? only its just an excuse for traffic to steam up inside till last min then Q to come back across saying that i do think it works quite well on stretches where there are large distances between jncs but is it worth having if danger of hitting stranded vehicles increases
Dav1d wrote:I’d rather new roads were built than waste cash on HS2.
Explain why HS2 is a waste of cash
When the West Coast Mainline is full?
When the East Coast Mainline is nearly full?
When ridership on the railways is the highest since the 1920’s with only 1/3 of the network?
Or have you been listening to the NIMBYs
There’s actually nothing to stop the so called NIMBY’s from moving away assuming that the railway companies are willing to compensate everyone affected with the pre railway development market value of their properties.No surprise the big business rail operators don’t want to pay up and then play the NIMBY card to avoid their responsibilities and save yet more cash for themselves.
If it’s all about lack of passenger capacity then they wouldn’t be saying that it’s actually all about creating more capacity for freight on the existing passenger lines thereby taking more trucks off the road all to keep the global warming believers happy by tearing up yet more of the countryside.
They aren’t paying anywhere near enough and only if you are within a very small distance of the track
It’s wiped off 10’s and in a several cases over a hundred grand in value to some properties in our village alone Everyone of them just outside of the iirc 60m compensation zone. Who wants to now spend 3/4 mill on something that will be 65 metres from an elevated HST line ■■? The route it takes through parts of Cheshire are unspoiled greenery with little or no compo to fork out on We live pretty much in the middle of nowhere with fields to the front and back by choice and it aint exactly cheap. Thank [zb] we’ll be long gone when it’s finally built 72.5 metres from my back garden This house alone was valued 6 months ago and is now worth 28% less than at the worst of the recession
Thankfully I only rent it but the poor owner now has a house that will struggle to reach the price he paid for it 8 years ago.
It said on the news tonight the thing was now expected to cost double what it was projected to.
Everyone of them just outside of the iirc 60m compensation zone. Who wants to now spend 3/4 mill on something that will be 65 metres from an elevated HST line ■■? The route it takes through parts of Cheshire are unspoiled greenery with little or no compo to fork out on 