M1 stuffed southbound j21 j20

[eddie_snax]

raymundo:

eddie snax:
[raymundo I don’t criticise you for yesterdays post, when all said and done this job brings out the black humour in most of us, but I do think you could have edited it today in reaction to the death of the driver.

RIP driver

Never saw the post until after I had arrived home as was driving all day but by then the [zb] had made his comments. If I had know of the drivers death before this evening then my post would have been deleted without any doubt. I also agree RIP Drive and condolences to his family.

Sometimes events can overtake us, fair dues mate

Tossitoff:
It was a driver out of our depot, a friend.

Laugh at,hate or berate me all you like, you hit a nerve, and I make no apologies for reacting.

RIP

It was an ESL Volvo FH.
]

And I’m sure in the light of how events have turned out, that most would understand and make the allowance for your reaction, but you have to acknowledge that this is an open forum, and sometimes a thick skin is required.

I send my sympathies to you at the loss of your friend and colleague,

[juddian]

Is that a photo of the actual crash scene above?

If so it’s ironic, but not at all amusing, that we see drivers walk away from the most horrendous crashes where the (once fibre glass) cabs have more or less disintegrated and yet the Volvo above looks reasonably intact and you would never expect it to result in a fatality.
You just never know how its going to work out when things go wrong.

Tossitoff, our sympathies to the drivers family and friends, not a good Christmas at all.
One question though, would that tractor unit have been fitted with AEBS, genuine query no side to the question at all.

[old_n07]

Juddian:
if so it’s ironic, but not at all amusing, that we see drivers walk away from the most horrendous crashes where the (once fibre glass) cabs have more or less disintegrated and yet the Volvo above looks reasonably intact and you would never expect it to result in a fatality.

Just going off a quote made earlier, perhaps the ES driver had a heart attack and that was the cause of this tragic accident but whatever the reason it made me stop and think yesterday

dandyhighwayman2:
It had only just happened when I went northbound but it curdles the blood when you see what looked like the driver lying in the middle lane having his chest furiously pumped in front of the trapped traffic with no cover around him.
Hope the driver makes a full recovery.

[castillidie]

Juddian:
Is that a photo of the actual crash scene above?

If so it’s ironic, but not at all amusing, that we see drivers walk away from the most horrendous crashes where the (once fibre glass) cabs have more or less disintegrated and yet the Volvo above looks reasonably intact and you would never expect it to result in a fatality.
You just never know how its going to work out when things go wrong.

Tossitoff, our sympathies to the drivers family and friends, not a good Christmas at all.
One question though, would that tractor unit have been fitted with AEBS, genuine query no side to the question at all.

Anything could have happened really, heart attack etc or if he wasn’t wearing his seatbelt (like I know a fair few drivers don’t) even a relatively slow speed crash could have sent him in to the windscreen. He could have even been distracted by something else (phone, radio etc)
Anyway I really hope it was a natural cause and not something he could have prevented.

Thoughts go to his family/friends and also the driver of the Clarkes wagon as no doubt he is feeling horrible about it.

[tango_boy]

R.I.P Driver, sad news

[tossitoff]

eddie snax:

raymundo:

eddie snax:
[raymundo I don’t criticise you for yesterdays post, when all said and done this job brings out the black humour in most of us, but I do think you could have edited it today in reaction to the death of the driver.

RIP driver

Never saw the post until after I had arrived home as was driving all day but by then the [zb] had made his comments. If I had know of the drivers death before this evening then my post would have been deleted without any doubt. I also agree RIP Drive and condolences to his family.

Sometimes events can overtake us, fair dues mate

Tossitoff:
It was a driver out of our depot, a friend.

Laugh at,hate or berate me all you like, you hit a nerve, and I make no apologies for reacting.

RIP

It was an ESL Volvo FH.
]

And I’m sure in the light of how events have turned out, that most would understand and make the allowance for your reaction, but you have to acknowledge that this is an open forum, and sometimes a thick skin is required.

I send my sympathies to you at the loss of your friend and colleague,

Again, he hit a nerve, end of.

Indeed we do need a thick skin, at times though it gets through…

Thank you for your sympathy.

Juddian:
Is that a photo of the actual crash scene above?

If so it’s ironic, but not at all amusing, that we see drivers walk away from the most horrendous crashes where the (once fibre glass) cabs have more or less disintegrated and yet the Volvo above looks reasonably intact and you would never expect it to result in a fatality.
You just never know how its going to work out when things go wrong.

Tossitoff, our sympathies to the drivers family and friends, not a good Christmas at all.
One question though, would that tractor unit have been fitted with AEBS, genuine query no side to the question at all.

Yes, that’s the incident.

Ironic indeed, you see drivers walk away without a scratch from obliterated trucks yet in this incident the cab stood up remarkably well, what happened and why we don’t know I could speculate but of course there’s little point.

He was Romanian and not the stereotype either, a good lad kept himself to himself but always said hello, he’d been with us for a good while. If anyone would wish to donate there’s a collection for him at ESL Stoke (M6 Jct 15) for his wife and children, we all have a go at the Eastern Europeans from time to time but often forget these guys are a long way from home and family doing a job that benefits our country, at 41 he’s paid the ultimate price.

[southeastcashew]

R.I.P driver!! Terrible time to happen

[southeastcashew]

R.I.P driver!! Terrible time to happen

[eddie_snax]

Tossitoff:
He was Romanian and not the stereotype either, a good lad kept himself to himself but always said hello, he’d been with us for a good while. If anyone would wish to donate there’s a collection for him at ESL Stoke (M6 Jct 15) for his wife and children, we all have a go at the Eastern Europeans from time to time but often forget these guys are a long way from home and family doing a job that benefits our country, at 41 he’s paid the ultimate price.

Such a waste, the Man was only doing what we all endeavour to do, that being to provide as best we can for our loved ones.

[bestbooties]

This was in last night’s newspaper.

stokesentinel.co.uk/eddie-st … story.html

[eddie_snax]

bestbooties:
This was in last night’s newspaper.

stokesentinel.co.uk/eddie-st … story.html

Ok, I know I’m going to get berated for this, but I’m a little bit ■■■■■■ off with this part of the story.

It is understood Marius had moved to the Potteries from Romania two years ago.
A £4,000 online appeal was launched following Marius’s death to try to raise enough money to return his body home to Romania. Almost half of the £4,000 total has so far been raised.
Appeal organiser Jenny Jardine, who works for KPI Recruiting, which has an office in Stoke-on-Trent, states: "Marius was killed in a fatal accident on the M1 while carrying out his duties

As there was such an out cry about Mathews Int not paying for the repatriation of the body of a driver who had died abroad whilst at their employ, even though their get out, that he was on a weekly rest period why is there no outrage that the agency haven’t just funded Marius’s repatriation, after all this guy was actually working on their behalf at the time of his death. I’m sure that KPI Recruiting have made some considerable profit from Marius and his fellow Romanians, judging by the differential that agency charge hauliers and pay these East European drivers (which is a scandal in its own right).

Let no one think that I have a grievance with Romanian or any other foreign workers coming to make a better income here, because I don’t. I am annoyed by KPI Recruiting dodging their responsibility to their employee.

I would say, that I reckon any one who works abroad ought to start taking personal charge of these types of situations, and put in place their own insurance for the purpose of repatriation (for whatever reason) as in this enlightened UK employment market no Employer seems to want the responsibility, Hell its good to know that we are heading towards an even more free market driven economy

[tachograph]

eddie snax:
As there was such an out cry about Mathews Int not paying for the repatriation of the body of a driver who had died abroad whilst at their employ, even though their get out, that he was on a weekly rest period why is there no outrage that the agency haven’t just funded Marius’s repatriation, after all this guy was actually working on their behalf at the time of his death. I’m sure that KPI Recruiting have made some considerable profit from Marius and his fellow Romanians, judging by the differential that agency charge hauliers and pay these East European drivers (which is a scandal in its own right).

Why would anyone expect the agency to pay for the repatriation of Mr Zuican when he was living and working in this country, and has been for 2 years

I don’t see any comparison between the 2 cases you’ve mentioned.

[eddie_snax]

tachograph:

eddie snax:
As there was such an out cry about Mathews Int not paying for the repatriation of the body of a driver who had died abroad whilst at their employ, even though their get out, that he was on a weekly rest period why is there no outrage that the agency haven’t just funded Marius’s repatriation, after all this guy was actually working on their behalf at the time of his death. I’m sure that KPI Recruiting have made some considerable profit from Marius and his fellow Romanians, judging by the differential that agency charge hauliers and pay these East European drivers (which is a scandal in its own right).

Why would anyone expect the agency to pay for the repatriation of Mr Zuican when he was living and working in this country, and has been for 2 years

I don’t see any comparison between the 2 cases you’ve mentioned.

On reflection I will concede that the 2 cases are inherently different.

What I come back to though is that the Employing agency (kpi) could easily afford to “send Him home”. Though I’m not making any accusations that KPI recruited Marius from Romania, many agencies did recruit direct from Eastern Europe and in that situation, then maybe a morale responsibility to repatriate foreign workers might be seen to fall to those whom assisted them to migrate in the first place.
As the employer at the time of Marius’s death, it could be both a humane gesture aswell as a morally right to repatriate his body, instead of leaving the guys family to have to wait whilst enough money is donated through an appeal.
I’m making no assumptions on the way KPI operate with regard to wages, but I know that agencies don’t pay the highest levels of income to some of these foreign workers (a scandal in its own right) yet will still charge customers higher hourly rates than some of the customers own employees are being paid, leaving a reasonable margin between to the income stream and the operating costs of the business.
KPI to my way of thinking should have done to right thing, and taken away further distress from the Family of Marius, by making funds available to get him home as soon as is practically possible.

[dozy]

It’s as bad as believing in xmas , people think the des eased is going too give a ■■■■ about where he’s buried , I think if you could ask him he’d say give the money too my Mrs / kids , there going to need it a sight more than he is