Please tell me you’re a troll or a wind-up merchant.
If you’re not, then don’t you realise that your ego, and the sense of self-importance that has so far come across in your posts…
…has taken away from any credible points that you may have raised!!
Drop the ego and the condescending attitude…there’s nothing worse than a “superior” smart a*se!!
Am I the only one who’s got a strong suspicion that he’s got an alias on here?
No your’e not, but if he’s a condescending smart a*se, he’ll be in good company. Excluding myself of course… known mainly for my humility and lack of opinions.
Dipper_Dave:
Not really my place to comment on a discussion of this magnitude but regardless of driving ability, country of birth, tiredness, alcohol levels (let’s face it at 55mg he was hardly off his ■■■■).
I am going to have to beg to differ on that DD.
One person can be wasted on a few lagers where other people can drink pint after pint and still stand and walk but both are likely to be as equally “off their ■■■’s” The law is 35mg per 100 ml of breath, does that make someone who blows 34mg a safe driver? No it doesn’t the law just can’t do much about it, blow 35mg or more and they can, either driver is as likely in my opinion to cause an accident.
Dipper_Dave:
Not really my place to comment on a discussion of this magnitude but regardless of driving ability, country of birth, tiredness, alcohol levels (let’s face it at 55mg he was hardly off his ■■■■).
I am going to have to beg to differ on that DD.
One person can be wasted on a few lagers where other people can drink pint after pint and still stand and walk but both are likely to be as equally “off their ■■■’s” The law is 35mg per 100 ml of breath, does that make someone who blows 34mg a safe driver? No it doesn’t the law just can’t do much about it, blow 35mg or more and they can, either driver is as likely in my opinion to cause an accident.
I call myself tea total and for the most part that is true. I have the occasional glass of wine with food and on special occasions I’ll have a glass or two, maybe even a shot of Cognac.
1 Glass of wine and I can feel it straight away.
2 Pints and I’m lashed.
1 double short, lashed.
Dipper_Dave:
Not really my place to comment on a discussion of this magnitude but regardless of driving ability, country of birth, tiredness, alcohol levels (let’s face it at 55mg he was hardly off his ■■■■).
I am going to have to beg to differ on that DD.
One person can be wasted on a few lagers where other people can drink pint after pint and still stand and walk but both are likely to be as equally “off their ■■■’s” The law is 35mg per 100 ml of breath, does that make someone who blows 34mg a safe driver? No it doesn’t the law just can’t do much about it, blow 35mg or more and they can, either driver is as likely in my opinion to cause an accident.
I call myself tea total and for the most part that is true. I have the occasional glass of wine with food and on special occasions I’ll have a glass or two, maybe even a glass of Cognac.
1 Glass of wine and I can feel it straight away.
2 Pints and I’m lashed.
1 double short, lashed.
I’m more of a featherweight than a lightweight.
Everyone is different when it comes to booze.
I am mostly a tea total person, if I have a couple of pints I can tell I have had them, but people who drink regularly or regularly excessively build up a tolerance doesn’t mean they are not drunk just they handle it better.
Dipper_Dave:
Not really my place to comment on a discussion of this magnitude but regardless of driving ability, country of birth, tiredness, alcohol levels (let’s face it at 55mg he was hardly off his ■■■■).
I am going to have to beg to differ on that DD.
One person can be wasted on a few lagers where other people can drink pint after pint and still stand and walk but both are likely to be as equally “off their ■■■’s” The law is 35mg per 100 ml of breath, does that make someone who blows 34mg a safe driver? No it doesn’t the law just can’t do much about it, blow 35mg or more and they can, either driver is as likely in my opinion to cause an accident.
I call myself tea total and for the most part that is true. I have the occasional glass of wine with food and on special occasions I’ll have a glass or two, maybe even a glass of Cognac.
1 Glass of wine and I can feel it straight away.
2 Pints and I’m lashed.
1 double short, lashed.
I’m more of a featherweight than a lightweight.
Everyone is different when it comes to booze.
I am mostly a tea total person, if I have a couple of pints I can tell I have had them, but people who drink regularly or regularly excessively build up a tolerance doesn’t mean they are not drunk just they handle it better.
Tis what I think too. Can’t do with being blathered.
Carryfast:
Unfortunate’ in the sense that he might have listened too often to those saying that driving a truck doesn’t take more skill and involve as much,if not more, responsibility,as driving a train.Then dropped his level alertness to fit the the erroneous stereotype.
It’s very difficult to decipher your posts… but…
From where do you get your evidence for this?
Let’s get this right.Firstly I said ‘might have’.As in the wreckage and the fact that he’s been charged with contributing to the collision suggests that he ‘might have’ ‘possibly’ ran into the the truck ahead of him and the mini bus or less likely just the mini bus.IE not noticing an obstruction/s well ahead and in time to do something about it and/or not leaving sufficient seperation distance regards same etc etc.While as we know a train driver won’t usually be held accountable in the event of a collision with anything ahead except in the situation of a signal passed at danger.While a truck driver most certainly will.While generally not having the luxury of any advanced warning of obstructions on the road ahead whatsoever.While the wage structure and general view is that driving a train is the more skilled job.
Having said that there seems to now be an account of the circumstances which suggests that the mini bus driver,‘might’ ‘possibly’ have somehow went into the path of the Fed Ex truck resulting in the collision,in an attempt to avoid colliding with the truck ahead of him.But which would leave the question would just colliding with the minibus explain the damage to Fed Ex truck and if not then how did the Fed Ex truck also manage to collide with the truck ahead.Possibly Fed Ex truck was actually in lane 2 and then collected the lane changing minibus on the nearside which then threw the Fed Ex truck back into lane 1 ?.
Which opens a whole new can of worms regarding the question has the Fed Ex driver been wrongfully arrested and charged and if so why.While I have my own personal view of the motives of the establishment if that was the case.
dieseldog999:
if the 1st truck stopped,then surely turban boy in the bus should have been able to stop safely or not?
The big question in that case is what lane was the Fed Ex truck in immediately before the collision.If that turns out to have been lane 2 and mini bus driver was in lane 1 then that raises some obvious questions as to why the zb has Fed Ex driver been implicated in all this.
Dipper_Dave:
as we all know deep down no one really gives a fork about anyone else unless they are friends or family.
Do you actually believe that?
Good point but my beliefs are fluid, they eb and flow by experience. As a generalisation, with the pressures of society as they are today nobody gives a fork.
But and it’s a big ‘but’, the only thing one needs to feel compassion is a moment of connection. This can be by sound, sight or deed.
We can be better, we should be better, we are designed to be better. However the easy route is just to think ‘thank fork it wasn’t me’.
The game of life has no winners.
In the end it doesn’t really matter.
Carryfast:
Unfortunate’ in the sense that he might have listened too often to those saying that driving a truck doesn’t take more skill and involve as much,if not more, responsibility,as driving a train.Then dropped his level alertness to fit the the erroneous stereotype.
It’s very difficult to decipher your posts… but…
From where do you get your evidence for this?
Let’s get this right.Firstly I said ‘might have’.As in the wreckage and the fact that he’s been charged with contributing to the collision suggests that he ‘might have’ ‘possibly’ ran into the the truck ahead of him and the mini bus or less likely just the mini bus.IE not noticing an obstruction/s well ahead and in time to do something about it and/or not leaving sufficient seperation distance regards same etc etc.While as we know a train driver won’t usually be held accountable in the event of a collision with anything ahead except in the situation of a signal passed at danger.While a truck driver most certainly will.While generally not having the luxury of any advanced warning of obstructions on the road ahead whatsoever.While the wage structure and general view is that driving a train is the more skilled job.
Having said that there seems to now be an account of the circumstances which suggests that the mini bus driver,‘might’ ‘possibly’ have somehow went into the path of the Fed Ex truck resulting in the collision,in an attempt to avoid colliding with the truck ahead of him.But which would leave the question would just colliding with the minibus explain the damage to Fed Ex truck and if not then how did the Fed Ex truck also manage to collide with the truck ahead.Possibly Fed Ex truck was actually in lane 2 and then collected the lane changing minibus on the nearside which then threw the Fed Ex truck back into lane 1 ?.
Which opens a whole new can of worms regarding the question has the Fed Ex driver been wrongfully arrested and charged and if so why.While I have my own personal view of the motives of the establishment if that was the case.
Hope that helps.
There’s a lot of supposition to follow.
It appears that AIM truck was stationary in Lane one. Bus was in Lane one and fed ex in Lane two, overtaking bus.
Bus sees the obstruction late and tries to leave lane one, only to collide with fed ex. Why didn’t fed ex see the stationary truck at the same time as the bus? If he had, surely he would realise bus was in trouble and taken avoiding action? Was he distracted? Was he on the phone? Would explain the dangerous driving aspect. Like I said, supposition.
The truth may come out later.
I am not willy waving or bragging but I keep reading the comments and comparison with train drivers.
I am an ex class 1 night trunker driving artics and wag and drag a-frames, moved on to joining the DVSA voluntary register of LGV Driving instructors in class 1 and now am driving trains.
The hardest job so far - train driving. Am I worth my wages? I believe so yes.
Dipper_Dave:
as we all know deep down no one really gives a fork about anyone else unless they are friends or family.
Do you actually believe that?
Good point but my beliefs are fluid, they eb and flow by experience. As a generalisation, with the pressures of society as they are today nobody gives a fork.
But and it’s a big ‘but’, the only thing one needs to feel compassion is a moment of connection. This can be by sound, sight or deed.
We can be better, we should be better, we are designed to be better. However the easy route is just to think ‘thank fork it wasn’t me’.
The game of life has no winners.
In the end it doesn’t really matter.
Now that Dave, is very deep.
Although I would point to the thousands of selfless people - doing good deeds for no reward, and in many cases not even recognition.
But I’ll take your ‘buts and fluidity’ to mean you care, but life goes on - for a while at least. As you alluded to the end… all good things do come to an end.
Dipper_Dave:
Not really my place to comment on a discussion of this magnitude but regardless of driving ability, country of birth, tiredness, alcohol levels (let’s face it at 55mg he was hardly off his ■■■■).
The biggest question I have is why on earth was he stopped in a live lane for allegedly 12 minutes.
Talk about a perfect storm. All drivers knackered and an event that is not to uncommon but no large volumes of traffic to slow everything down.
Being the first on the scene of a hazard is never nice, no warnings etc but like I said my only question is why was he stopped.
For his sake it had better be a total failure.
Time will tell but may no one reading this ever have to suffer the pain the victims family’s are going through now.
You say 55mg is hardly off his ■■■■ but how long into his shift was he ? I’m assuming he started from Evesham unless he was nighting out so could be as much as 2 hours into it so what state was he in when he got into work initially?
True, he may have been wasted from the get go, just driving on autopilot and totally unsafe. Perhaps these things will be looked into, just maybe the alcohol level for pro drivers will be dropped to Zero.
Carryfast:
Unfortunate’ in the sense that he might have listened too often to those saying that driving a truck doesn’t take more skill and involve as much,if not more, responsibility,as driving a train.Then dropped his level alertness to fit the the erroneous stereotype.
It’s very difficult to decipher your posts… but…
From where do you get your evidence for this?
Let’s get this right.Firstly I said ‘might have’.As in the wreckage and the fact that he’s been charged with contributing to the collision suggests that he ‘might have’ ‘possibly’ ran into the the truck ahead of him and the mini bus or less likely just the mini bus.IE not noticing an obstruction/s well ahead and in time to do something about it and/or not leaving sufficient seperation distance regards same etc etc.While as we know a train driver won’t usually be held accountable in the event of a collision with anything ahead except in the situation of a signal passed at danger.While a truck driver most certainly will.While generally not having the luxury of any advanced warning of obstructions on the road ahead whatsoever.While the wage structure and general view is that driving a train is the more skilled job.
Having said that there seems to now be an account of the circumstances which suggests that the mini bus driver,‘might’ ‘possibly’ have somehow went into the path of the Fed Ex truck resulting in the collision,in an attempt to avoid colliding with the truck ahead of him.But which would leave the question would just colliding with the minibus explain the damage to Fed Ex truck and if not then how did the Fed Ex truck also manage to collide with the truck ahead.Possibly Fed Ex truck was actually in lane 2 and then collected the lane changing minibus on the nearside which then threw the Fed Ex truck back into lane 1 ?.
Which opens a whole new can of worms regarding the question has the Fed Ex driver been wrongfully arrested and charged and if so why.While I have my own personal view of the motives of the establishment if that was the case.
MTM12 wrote:
As a matter of interest I searched ‘M1 lorry crash’ in Google today and selected ‘images’ as a search parameter - the results were very sobering, dozens upon dozens of pictures of incidents and crashes involving wagons. It’s very worrying, something seems to be going very wrong in this industry. Looking at some of the pictures, not keeping enough distance from the wagon in front seems to be an often repeated basic mistake.
MickM
Winseer Wrote:
Perhaps seaching for “M1 lorry crash” might have something to do with the proliferation of actual lorries in the images…?
MickM Wrote:
Well indeed - but all these vehicles are being driven by people who have completed a level of training, passed Driving Tests and shown themselves competent to drive. If they drove at a quality anywhere near to the way they drove whilst learning or being tested these things wouldn’t happen would they.
DD wrote …True, he may have been wasted from the get go, just driving on autopilot and totally unsafe. Perhaps these things will be looked into, just maybe the alcohol level for pro drivers will be dropped to Zero.
If that happens then I’m glad that I am once again a mere amatuer …
MTM12:
MTM12 wrote:
As a matter of interest I searched ‘M1 lorry crash’ in Google today and selected ‘images’ as a search parameter - the results were very sobering, dozens upon dozens of pictures of incidents and crashes involving wagons. It’s very worrying, something seems to be going very wrong in this industry. Looking at some of the pictures, not keeping enough distance from the wagon in front seems to be an often repeated basic mistake.
MickM
Perhaps seaching for “M1 lorry crash” might have something to do with the proliferation of actual lorries in the images…?
Well indeed - but all these vehicles are being driven by people who have completed a level of training, passed Driving Tests and shown themselves competent to drive. If they drove at a quality anywhere near to the way they drove whilst learning or being tested these things wouldn’t happen would they.
MickM
I strongly suspect that an EE driving test standard is not as difficult as a UK one.
Dipper_Dave:
Not really my place to comment on a discussion of this magnitude but regardless of driving ability, country of birth, tiredness, alcohol levels (let’s face it at 55mg he was hardly off his ■■■■).
I am going to have to beg to differ on that DD.
One person can be wasted on a few lagers where other people can drink pint after pint and still stand and walk but both are likely to be as equally “off their ■■■’s” The law is 35mg per 100 ml of breath, does that make someone who blows 34mg a safe driver? No it doesn’t the law just can’t do much about it, blow 35mg or more and they can, either driver is as likely in my opinion to cause an accident.
OMG is that even allowed.
But your right everyone has their own limits, someone who is accustomed to drink I would expect to have higher limits.
But there’s one constant, everyone thinks they can drive no matter how ■■■■■■ they are.
