M1 driver jailed for causing death of PC Mark Goodlad

del949:
the sign you post is hardly relevant to the context of where the accident happened.
It has relevance to the issue of the m62 managed section…
However that would still only apply when the signal operators have seen /been told, that there is an incident and have switched the sign on.
it still wouldn’t cover the majority of motorways which are still unmanaged.
There are several sections where it is almost impossible to move out of lane 1 without having to actually force your way out.
but to be honest as I no longer drive trucks i can leave it to those who will be affected by such a change to take it up with you, as it is now Beer’O’Clock :smiley:

The sign I’ve posted is relevant in being the similar situation of a lane being effectively taken out from the point of view of further progress in it.If that sign is in front of you it’s a case of get over or stop and just like anything on the shoulder that sign can usually be seen far enough ahead to do something about it by slowing down and moving over before reaching it. :bulb:

Remember these, they used to put out cones, lights and signs and use the vehicle as a refuge, not park immediately behind a broken down car and get squashed between them

I am sorry but the guy did not do himself any favours the times he appeared in court turning up in T shirt and trainers you have to show the courts and family of the bereaved at least a bit of respect.

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone !

If thats how he went to court to answer a charge as serious as this, I am not surprised that he got sent down. A jury would just have seen the stereo typed hairy ar**d, overweight trucker.
Looking at the pics I have to wonder, that although there was no record of insufficient rest etc., wether or not tiredness did play a part.
He looks a prime candidate for sleep apnoea.

del949:
If thats how he went to court to answer a charge as serious as this, I am not surprised that he got sent down. A jury would just have seen the stereo typed hairy ar**d, overweight trucker.
Looking at the pics I have to wonder, that although there was no record of insufficient rest etc., wether or not tiredness did play a part.
He looks a prime candidate for sleep apnoea.

As an old hand when it comes to court appearances i think i’m quite qualified to comment. if you dress like that, and don’t bother having a shave, then you might as well get caught in bed with the judges daughter.
in an earlier post i refered to him as “that poor bloke”. but now he looks like a fat, scruffy, useless ■■■.

If I have a medical problem, then sod wasting the doctors time. I shall just post a photo of myself and get an instant diagnosis from this site. :unamused:

It appears that the driver did have a problem with his eye and it was discovered he had an abrasion on the cornea.

Those X5 seem to stand up to some wear and tear, especially when it has been rear ended by a speeding juggernaut at 56mph.

del949:
If thats how he went to court to answer a charge as serious as this, I am not surprised that he got sent down. A jury would just have seen the stereo typed hairy ar**d, overweight trucker.
Looking at the pics I have to wonder, that although there was no record of insufficient rest etc., wether or not tiredness did play a part.
He looks a prime candidate for sleep apnoea.

I’m betting that it’s probably more a case of him not viewing the job of driving a truck as being at least as skilled a job as driving a train,if not more,with levels of intelligence required to suit. :bulb:

moomooland:

I am sorry but the guy did not do himself any favours the times he appeared in court turning up in T shirt and trainers you have to show the courts and family of the bereaved at least a bit of respect.

yeah, there’s no excuse for that

Wheel Nut:
If I have a medical problem, then sod wasting the doctors time. I shall just post a photo of myself and get an instant diagnosis from this site. :unamused:

:smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

the kaiser:
Let him who is without sin cast the first stone !

The logical conclusion of that idea is that things would inevitably reach the point where you’ve got similar types of mayhem resulting in carnage on the roads on a regular basis.The fact is driving something requires a bit more of a scientific approach than just the attitude if it’s allowed to go onto the hard shoulder and then hits someone or something,or across the dividing lines of a single carriageway and hits something head on,it’s just an accident.

Frankydobo:
Apparantly there is a syndrome where heavy vehicles have struck others parked on the hardshoulder and despite stringent investigations no reason has come forward as to why, all the usual possibilities have been looked into such as tiredness, using phones etc and rejected.

Boffins say it could be something like momentary fixation where the driver is drawn towards the stopped vehicle yet his brain is telling him to move into line with this vehicle and follow it, something HGV drivers do more than other drivers is to return to the lane they have been in after overtaking, count how many times you will pass and move back into the lane during a days driving, its conditioned into a lorry driver.

Again how many times have you went somewhere and usually on a well trodden route, an hour or two later not remember passing the usual places. They believe some drivers, and they can’t explain why yet, go through a phase like an automaton (bit like being on a Scalextrix track) and only when its too late they realise the vehicle or vehicles infront are stopped. Not saying of course this happened in this case but some collisions do defy explanation even by survivors or those accused. All sad no matter what the cause and whether you think two years is not enough or not just hope it doesn’t happen to you sometime!

interesting post, and i really think there is something in this aswell.
bit like the drift scenario. i’ve done it myself, and seen plenty of others do it to. follow another truck mile, after mile, then all of a sudden the motor in front has a slight drift either way, and the vehicle behind seems to on occasions, do exactly the same.
the hard shoulder is the most dangerous place to be. i know sometimes its unavoidable, and the police have to be there, but i do agree with some in regards to everyday traffic stops,seatbelts, mobile phones etc, by all means stop the offender, but pull them off the motorway to do it, i’m amazed that in todays world of health and safety, that this is not the norm?

i certainly wouldn’t want to be an recovery driver, road worker or similar, dangerous job. i broke down in france in the late 90’s, was on the hard shoulder, when i got hit by a french artic doing 56m.p.h. that was a mess, and 5 minutes prior to being hit i’d put the warning triangle out :open_mouth: