xichrisxi:
Dolph:
xichrisxi:
Dolph:
I united with everyone,as long as it suits meYou know it goes both ways
Yes, my way or the highway
Wouldnāt that be a one way street? 
Trucker Ed:
So what your saying Evil is you would just do as your told then.
Depends what my options areā¦
If I signed up to a set of T&Cās, Iād expect them to honour them (As would I).
But Iām not going to kick off if they didnāt, and instead, would first look for ways to get out, just as the OP didā¦
I wouldnāt be putting myself on the dole unless I felt forced to do so. Why, would you?
But itās all theoretical, as you canāt say until youāre in that situationā¦
eddie snax:
Dolph:
xichrisxi:
I can understand everything you said as your point of view apart from the bit where you expect the drivers on mon-fri to change their shifts **to suit you,**sorry but your asking way too much there your issue is with the management of the place whatever agreement was in place with other drivers is nothing to do with you.So much for drivers unity and equality
Its OK to be united as long as it suit you, :Driver unity would be all right if it were a race to the top, but what the OP was advocating was a worsening of long serving drivers contracts, thatās a race to the bottom, do you really think thatās the right way to go
Do you think the right way to go is to screw up new drivers all the time by making them work weekends? 
There must be a good balance, without new drivers(many quitting) being made to feel appreciated/important in the company, the second will be out of business sooner or later. And when word goes around how this company(any) treats new drivers they will find themselves in a trouble, not being able to acquire good drivers to do the work.
Have seen it with my own eyes in US, reputation is very very important if a company wants safe and sound drivers.
Lets not forget that they tried to forced him to work tired, after a 14-15 hours shift, while not keeping their word.
Dolph:
Do you think the right way to go is to screw up new drivers all the time by making them work weekends?
There must be a good balance, without new drivers(many quitting) being made to feel appreciated/important in the company, the second will be out of business sooner or later. And when word goes around how this company(any) treats new drivers they will find themselves in a trouble, not being able to acquire good drivers to do the work.
Have seen it with my own eyes in US, reputation is very very important if a company wants safe and sound drivers.
Sorry but in an economy where supply outstrips demand, thatās always going to happen. Itās up to the firm to look after its interests, and if thatās employees then great. But when they donāt HAVE to look after them, you canāt ask the existing drivers on a better contract to step in!
Dolph:
Lets not forget that they tried to forced him to work tired, after a 14-15 hours shift, while not keeping their word.
Agreed, crap firm!
But why should the existing employeeās step in and downgrade their own situation?
your first reply should have been once she barked 4am at you - who the ā ā ā ā do you think your talking to?
that would have set the boundaries straight away but by being submissive she obviously thought she could get away with it.
asda tried the reasonable request on me once - they never tried it again.
Evil8Beezle:
Dolph:
Lets not forget that they tried to forced him to work tired, after a 14-15 hours shift, while not keeping their word.Agreed, crap firm!
But why should the existing employeeās step in and downgrade their own situation?
Putted that way you are correct, they should not.
The firm is crap, at least we agree on that 
Evil8Beezle:
Dolph:
Do you think the right way to go is to screw up new drivers all the time by making them work weekends?
There must be a good balance, without new drivers(many quitting) being made to feel appreciated/important in the company, the second will be out of business sooner or later. And when word goes around how this company(any) treats new drivers they will find themselves in a trouble, not being able to acquire good drivers to do the work.
Have seen it with my own eyes in US, reputation is very very important if a company wants safe and sound drivers.Sorry but in an economy where supply outstrips demand, thatās always going to happen. Itās up to the firm to look after its interests, and if thatās employees then great. But when they donāt HAVE to look after them, you canāt ask the existing drivers on a better contract to step in!
Cāmon there is shortage of 50 000 drivers, donāt you know 
Sounds like WH Malcolm
Dolph:
Evil8Beezle:
Dolph:
Lets not forget that they tried to forced him to work tired, after a 14-15 hours shift, while not keeping their word.Agreed, crap firm!
But why should the existing employeeās step in and downgrade their own situation?Putted that way you are correct, they should not.
The firm is crap, at least we agree on that
The firm is probably not crap to those on the long service contract, probably a cushy number, or at least better than the average to the area
Dolph:
eddie snax:
Driver unity would be all right if it were a race to the top, but what the OP was advocating was a worsening of long serving drivers contracts, thatās a race to the bottom, do you really think thatās the right way to goDo you think the right way to go is to screw up new drivers all the time by making them work weekends?
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No but I donāt agree with that, but Iām afraid the way to change it, is that they get a fast turnover of guys being put on the new contract, eventually the driver supply may dry up, then theyād have to rethink their employment terms, til then, Iām afraid that I disagree with a race to the bottom for the long service drivers more
Unless something has changed recently you do not need to sign a contract of employment to be bound by its terms - if you continue to turn up for work after contract has been issued to you then you are deemed to have accepted said termsā¦
merc0447:
Send them back a letter sayingYou can chase me for the 500 pound ya roasters
I would have sent them monopoly money to the tune of Ā£500 through the post,and with a company like that I would not have lasted 2 days before telling them where to poke it
This was a compulsory induction to this company, yes?
Which they require you to complete before you start to work for them?
Which all employees would have to complete, drivers or otherwise (OK,Mage drivers induction would be tailored to driving, but warehouse would be tailored likewise.
As far as I can see, your only liability would be for the upload fee for the cpc, not the total cost of the induction.
In the meantime, driver cpc courses can be sat for about Ā£75 a day (inc upload fee) so how they think that Ā£500 is reasonable, I have no idea! The trainers are (I assume) employed by the firm directly, so their costs would be incurred regardless of how many people are inducted. There is little hope of the company recovering such a high cost from its employee on leaving, imho. (Assumption based on cost of providing training only, and no other costs e.g. Uniform, etc. )
At the end of my shift every week, I tell them what time Iāll be starting the following week (so they can make sure my truck is back)
After that, they tell me where theyād like me to be, and when, if for some reason, I canāt be there, I tell them, other than that, I manage my own hours, and I only ring in once Iām empty.
Sounds like just another DHwinknorb type operation doing their best to dumb every new starter down to lowest common denominator, robotised bums on seats is what they want, and when they get them theyāll enjoy the fruits of their policy in due course.
Regarding expecting time served drivers on their own contracts and hours to change to suit newbies who donāt want to do what theyāve signed up for, eg weekends, well that aint going to happen or the company will soon find itself training a whole new workforce every other week.
Doesnāt matter if you been doing the job 40 years, when you take a new job you start at the bottom, i had to take a right horrible shift to get started where i am now or i wouldnāt have got a start, just how it is, do the job bide your time and when a shift you want comes available apply for it.
Its possible that the existing drivers are on a completely different agreement, again thats just how it is.
If you were a 20 year server on a nice 4 day 40 hr shift for Ā£40k are you going to want to cheapen your job and get into 50 hours any five from seven and other such ā ā ā ā ā ā ā ā for Ā£30k to suit the new recruits?, no you aint and nor would anyone else.
Attitude shown by the charming alleged female sounds about right for a modern logistics provider, thats the way to get total and useful cooperation from your people sweety, carry on.
Hopefully youāve found better mate.
Evil8Beezle:
Trucker Ed:
So what your saying Evil is you would just do as your told then.Depends what my options areā¦
If I signed up to a set of T&Cās, Iād expect them to honour them (As would I).
But Iām not going to kick off if they didnāt, and instead, would first look for ways to get out, just as the OP didā¦
I wouldnāt be putting myself on the dole unless I felt forced to do so. Why, would you?But itās all theoretical, as you canāt say until youāre in that situationā¦
i think thats the whole point he didnt sign up any T&Cās . i think if they wanted to push it for new starters if you dont sign your contract and continue to work they class it as accepting there T&Cās