Update:
It appears the mother and child were on a pedestrian crossing when they were hit
yt03:
- someone had to run after him and knock on his door and tell him what he’s just done?? Let’s nominate him for driver of the year Merc?
I wonder if they had to chase after him because he had NO IDEA what had taken place behind him. You need eyes in your arse to drive a wagon, you can’t see all 4 corners at once.
Matt.
yt03:
Bluey Circles:
yt03:
Yeah was s & j synergy it’s a 26t curtainsider with a big overhang, !looking at the picture is it a rear tag ? when they are up the rear swing will be massive.
Rear steer yes… Don’t want to say to much I might called a [zb] again
Most likely because you are behaving like one, muppett.
Coming from someone called del trotter… How original 
1FLEETRENEGADE:
Knowing where it was, I think it might have been one of Jacksons/quote]
S and j synergy
My bad. 
xfmatt:
yt03:
- someone had to run after him and knock on his door and tell him what he’s just done?? Let’s nominate him for driver of the year Merc?
I wonder if they had to chase after him because he had NO IDEA what had taken place behind him. You need eyes in your arse to drive a wagon, you can’t see all 4 corners at once.
Matt.
Matt there are thousands of lorry drivers who have driven for years without hitting any pedestrians (especially on a pedestrian crossing) if that was the case.
Most accidents are caused by human error and the way some drivers go about their business (complete lack of observation) they are accidents waiting to happen.
Nobody knows exactly what happened here but a woman and a child have died and that is tragic.
xfmatt:
I wonder if they had to chase after him because he had NO IDEA what had taken place behind him. You need eyes in your arse to drive a wagon, you can’t see all 4 corners at once.Matt.
There’s some confusing questions in this case.Assuming it’s the crosssing on Spring Bank the truck would have been turning left ?.Were they hit by the nearside or offside.How did they get hit by the truck on the crossing assuming they weren’t on it at the time the front of the truck approached it and went past it.
But yes if they started crossing after the front of the truck had passed the crossing it’s easy to understand how the driver might have been watching one side while they got into danger with the other side.Especially in the case of the offside while the driver was looking for cyclists undertaking on the nearside.
albion1971:
Matt there are thousands of lorry drivers who have driven for years without hitting any pedestrians (especially on a pedestrian crossing) if that was the case.
Most accidents are caused by human error and the way some drivers go about their business (complete lack of observation) they are accidents waiting to happen.Nobody knows exactly what happened here but a woman and a child have died and that is tragic.
Assuming they weren’t on the crossing at the point when the truck was approaching it and the front was passing it,no amount of ‘observation’ will guarantee the safety of anyone then attempting to cross from either side before the truck has cleared it. 
albion1971:
xfmatt:
yt03:
- someone had to run after him and knock on his door and tell him what he’s just done?? Let’s nominate him for driver of the year Merc?
I wonder if they had to chase after him because he had NO IDEA what had taken place behind him. You need eyes in your arse to drive a wagon, you can’t see all 4 corners at once.
Matt.
Matt there are thousands of lorry drivers who have driven for years without hitting any pedestrians (especially on a pedestrian crossing) if that was the case.
Most accidents are caused by human error and the way some drivers go about their business (complete lack of observation) they are accidents waiting to happen.Nobody knows exactly what happened here but a woman and a child have died and that is tragic.
Exactly
I deliver to that store regularly with an 13.6m trailer, and I turn and park at the side door just near the S&J wagon. There is no excuse for hitting pedestrians on that crossing.
Although it can be very busy there with people crossing for Iceland and Tesco, the visibility and lay out are fine.
Carryfast:
albion1971:
Matt there are thousands of lorry drivers who have driven for years without hitting any pedestrians (especially on a pedestrian crossing) if that was the case.
Most accidents are caused by human error and the way some drivers go about their business (complete lack of observation) they are accidents waiting to happen.Nobody knows exactly what happened here but a woman and a child have died and that is tragic.
Assuming they weren’t on the crossing at the point when the truck was approaching it and the front was passing it,no amount of ‘observation’ will guarantee the safety of anyone then attempting to cross from either side before the truck has cleared it.
Stop making assumptions about something you know nothing about.
They have cameras in the cab anyway so everyone just leave it there before it turns into a 5 page slanging match!
Nothing worse than grown men making assumptions on the tragic deaths of a young woman and a child,show some respect to ALL involved,the driver may have not been at fault.
albion1971:
Carryfast:
albion1971:
Matt there are thousands of lorry drivers who have driven for years without hitting any pedestrians (especially on a pedestrian crossing) if that was the case.
Most accidents are caused by human error and the way some drivers go about their business (complete lack of observation) they are accidents waiting to happen.Nobody knows exactly what happened here but a woman and a child have died and that is tragic.
Assuming they weren’t on the crossing at the point when the truck was approaching it and the front was passing it,no amount of ‘observation’ will guarantee the safety of anyone then attempting to cross from either side before the truck has cleared it.
Stop making assumptions about something you know nothing about.
It’s a question not an ‘assumption’.IE were they on the crossing when the truck approached it or weren’t they ?.If not how did the ‘rear’ of the truck collide with them ?.
Assuming they weren’t on the crossing at the point
Not an assumption Carryfast? Tell me the meaning of assuming then?
albion1971:
Assuming they weren’t on the crossing at the pointNot an assumption Carryfast? Tell me the meaning of assuming then?
‘Assuming’ in that sentence obviously meant in the sense of the question ‘If’ not literally.
yt03:
They have cameras in the cab anyway so everyone just leave it there before it turns into a 5 page slanging match!
Oh hang on, the mighty yt03, who has shown himself to be an ■■■■■■■■ on here already, now deems that everyone should not discuss it…jog on moron.
Sure there are CCTV around. Wot i mean is,that even the worst Rear-swing cant catch anyone who stays safe on the Sidewalk. If someone crosses the Road before the Lorry has passed,and the Driver just looks at that moment in the wrong Mirror (Bend Inside),then he may miss the one which gets hit by the Swing of the Rear.
Now,wot you say to that? 
Dont just blame always the Lorry Drivers 
del trotter:
yt03:
They have cameras in the cab anyway so everyone just leave it there before it turns into a 5 page slanging match!Oh hang on, the mighty yt03, who has shown himself to be an [zb] on here already, now deems that everyone should not discuss it…jog on moron.
Nobody has a problem with yt03 saying he’s worked for the firm, even as much as saying he knows the driver. The problem stems from posting stuff about the driver, which could prejudice any court proceedings, find it’s way to drivers’ family, victims’ family etc.
Maybe this guy was careless but I’ve had enough near misses with barriers in those big 26 tonners.
In my experience, the overhang is so severe that I can’t really internalise it as part of my mental map, feeling the gaps isn’t enough, you have to look every single time.
Multi drop work in rigids, amongst the general public, is a recipe for disaster. These vehicles lack the road presence of an artic and are expected to go into tight areas. We’ll regard this as semi-barbaric 50 years from now, given the capacity for human error.