Well, you have to make do with what you’ve got. I’ve taken loads far further eastwards without the luxury of four chains, and in temperatures far less conducive to ideal travelling conditions. And I’m still here.
Harry Monk:
Well, you have to make do with what you’ve got.
yeah that’d stand up well in court - no worries… 
Looking at the pic I would be unsure as to whether a petty BAG officer wouldn’t try to make a deal out of it though Harry 
montana man:
In that case I would just point out that four ten-tonne chains were mathematically sufficient to secure a twenty-five tonne load.
Is it “Amateur Night” tonight?
Harry Monk:
montana man:
In that case I would just point out that four ten-tonne chains were mathematically sufficient to secure a twenty-five tonne load.
Is it “Amateur Night” tonight?
not really, I only asked a question as you know how fussy the BAG are about load restraint.
Oh and FYI check your own maths Harry 25 tons mass at 80 kmh will need a lot more than that to stop it 
Thats the way it’s figured out
I think you did a good job Harry and would have been happy with that myself. The thing that worries me is the
Also, as you can see, the coil cable has been temporarily welded to a framework which sits on the trailer floor and spreads the load- this will be cut off in Gdansk.
Many years ago a mate of mine on Econofreight had a large tank on a low loader going down Archway when the ‘temporarily welded feet’ broke off and the thing headed for the roadside. Only his skill with his chaining prevented a tragedy and it ended up hanging over the side of the trailer. I was appalled that he was accused, and convicted of, having an insecure load.
Quite the opposite. I would have fought it all the way myself but he was a timid sort of bloke and took it on the chin. 
Montana Man:
Oh and FYI check your own maths Harry 25 tons mass at 80 kmh will need a lot more than that to stop it Thats the way it’s figured out
In my humble, but nevertheless valid, opinion, as long as the chains were always tight, the load would not have shifted except in a catastrophic deceleration which probably would have caused a lot more to fly off as well. 
Spardo:
Montana Man:
Oh and FYI check your own maths Harry 25 tons mass at 80 kmh will need a lot more than that to stop it Thats the way it’s figured outIn my humble, but nevertheless valid, opinion, as long as the chains were always tight, the load would not have shifted except in a catastrophic deceleration which probably would have caused a lot more to fly off as well.
I never said he did a bad job David, It looks to me as though he did the best job with the available resources. Whether or not I would personally have been happy is impossible to say as I cannot see exactly how or where the chains were chassis hooked. Nor can I tell from the photo the condition of the internal securing points (or there rating) or for that matter the chains themselves Oh and as you pointed out there is the issue of weld quality
The point I was making in my humble but never the less valid opinion was that to the letter of the law, which is often a measure of financial discomfort by the Germans, it would be technically insufficient.
Oh and in the case of a " catastrophic decelleration" or other type of accident then the investigations would take into account the manufacturers specifications of the trailer which would indicate how much weight should be carried and in what manner in order to spread the weight over the correct load bearing areas of the trailer
Common sense may say that it would be an acceptable way to do the job, however there is no such thing in the eyes of the law
montana man:
[I never said he did a bad job David,
In the photo, two of the chains have been secured. One is passed underneath the chassis and is hooked back onto itself. After I had taken the photo I passed a second chain around the chassis in an identical way. The rear chain is hooked to the trailer floor lashing points, and then a fourth chain was connected to the forward chassis rings. These are to prevent any movement fore or aft but if anything, are overkill.
This is the standard method used to transport these cable coils, which are the size they are so that they may be transported in a 4m TIR-spec Euroliner trailer and I was perfectly happy with the load security but I am wondering how others might have secured the load?
Harry Monk:
montana man:
[I never said he did a bad job David,
In the photo, two of the chains have been secured. One is passed underneath the chassis and is hooked back onto itself. After I had taken the photo I passed a second chain around the chassis in an identical way. The rear chain is hooked to the trailer floor lashing points, and then a fourth chain was connected to the forward chassis rings. These are to prevent any movement fore or aft but if anything, are overkill.
This is the standard method used to transport these cable coils, which are the size they are so that they may be transported in a 4m TIR-spec Euroliner trailer and I was perfectly happy with the load security but I am wondering how others might have secured the load?
Couple of 5 tonne straps…
there are 2 of these loads ready on 05.12 - being touted around by every freight forwarder going, we’ve had the enquiry 7 times this week which is a sure sign it’ll be going to the lowest bidder 
Just to put my 2 pennorth in here. I would’nt want to rely on the cargo rings on the trailer bed to restrain anything that heavy. It may be ameteur night but I would rather chain or strap to the main chassis rail.