wheelnutt:
nick2008:
So how do you secure 24 ton of sandIn a hard bodied tipper that is certified to transport 24 tons of sand securely. The body of the tipper is the restraint. If it is in bags on pallets and weighs more than 400kgs each, you use a strap.
so in the event of a roll over what stops spillage 
Daz1970:
Wheelnutt - you have posted some very good points on this thread.
If my ramblings here shows even one driver that he needs to pay a bit of attention or change the way he operates that could be a life saved, a load not ending up on the motorway or damaged in transit. We all gain from that ultimately.
nick2008:
so in the event of a roll over what stops spillage
You cannot prevent the load departing your means of transport in case of a rollover, not in a tipper, not in a curtainsider, but that is not what is required either.
The requirement is that under normal operation, including hard breaking to avoid a collision or traveling at posted speeds through bends, or braking while cornering at posted speeds a load stays secured.
Nowhere does anyone say that your load must remain in the trailer/tipper if you stupidly roll your wagon down a ravine in Wales.
Daz1970:
Dave55:
Has anyone lost a pallet through a curtain?Itâs not just about losing a palletâŚThe HSE (who will ultimately prosecute - DVSA & police do the spade work on their behalf) have said that any load inside a curtain-sider should be secured using restraints, even if the curtains are load bearing. The two reasons they give:
- Even if a load shifts & comes to rest against a load-bearing curtain, someone is going to be put in danger when they release the curtain.
- If a load does shift & rest against a curtain it could also affect the dynamics & handling characteristics of the vehicle.
Also the ropehook thing is correct, these are for securing tarpaulins only - with ropes. Restraints should go to load-bearing anchor points, the trailer chasiss or the chock rail. Rope hooks are not designed to anchor a ratchet strap to, especially the aluminium rivetted/bolted ones fitted to smaller rigid flats.
Wheelnutt - you have posted some very good points on this thread.
Rope hooks Were quite simply that in years gone by ⌠then all of a sudden rope hooks had to be rated as any form of lashingâŚIE rope.
wheelnutt:
nick2008:
so in the event of a roll over what stops spillageYou cannot prevent the load shodding in case of a rollover, not in a tipper, not in a curtainsider, but that is not what is required either.
The requirement is that under normal operation, including hard breaking to avoid a collision or traveling at posted speeds through bends, or braking while cornering at posted speeds a load stays secured.
Nowhere does anyone say that your load must remain in the trailer/tipper if you stupidly roll your wagon down a ravine in Wales.
WN iâm in total agreement with you âŚwhat I am saying VOSA seem to have become self proclaimed GODS how so say Know everything about nothing . I bet if you gave a vosa bod a trailer and straps etc he wouldnât have a clue. going to court would be His word against the drivers experience âŚ
Vosa should stay at what they are good for tapping bloody wheels and nuts just a shame they focus too much on trucks and not a lot on the car driver with a dodgy head light or rear lightâŚ
Yes all loads should be restrained âŚno argument âŚ
My point is even if you put on ratchet straps on this kind of load your still not surcuring it to the deck of the trailer you are only surcuring the cases under the straps
The only way to meet what vosa want on most goods on pallets is some sort of net/cover in the trailer covering the hole load fitted with straps
The frim I work for has just ordered 150 new trailers sdc I think with this sort of load securing in them on the advice of vosa as this is what in the future they will deem acceptable
Due to poor build quality and weight saving/cost cutting measures the chock rails/side raves on many modern curtain sider trailers are only thin/weak and the return on the bottom is of the wrong size to strap to effectively, ie the hook on the strap will try to pull itself off as you tighten the the ratchet, so in many cases the chassis is the only way to go when you need to strap a heavy cargo
the flat bodies and trailers I use have a heavy duty fully welded to every cross member angle chock rail/side rave which is ideal to strap to or even use load binder chains, the rope hooks are also a fully welded heavy duty type, fitted by myself
Daz1970:
Dave55:
Has anyone lost a pallet through a curtain?Itâs not just about losing a palletâŚThe HSE (who will ultimately prosecute - DVSA & police do the spade work on their behalf) have said that any load inside a curtain-sider should be secured using restraints, even if the curtains are load bearing. The two reasons they give:
- Even if a load shifts & comes to rest against a load-bearing curtain, someone is going to be put in danger when they release the curtain.
- If a load does shift & rest against a curtain it could also affect the dynamics & handling characteristics of the vehicle.
Also the ropehook thing is correct, these are for securing tarpaulins only - with ropes. Restraints should go to load-bearing anchor points, the trailer chasiss or the chock rail. Rope hooks are not designed to anchor a ratchet strap to, especially the aluminium rivetted/bolted ones fitted to smaller rigid flats.
Wheelnutt - you have posted some very good points on this thread.
Actually, thatâs one of my problems with using internal straps. If you undo curtainsiders properly, you go around undoing the buckles, then you stand out of the way at the front of the trailer and release the tension. Anything leaning on the curtain comes crashing harmlessly to the floor. Now imagine the same scenario with an internal strap ⌠youâre directly beneath the load when you release the tension on the strap.
If rope hooks arenât strong enough to restrain a load held down with ratchet straps, how come they were strong enough to restrain loads when loads were roped and sheeted?
Moose:
the rope hooks are also a fully welded heavy duty type, fitted by myself
If they aint rated they wont accept it, thatâs the problem VOSAâs attitude seems to be ââ Everything needs to be rated ââ
next they say Bog roll needs stress rating 
thatâs my next job, getting some stickers made up which states what my hooks are rated to!
I for 1 wont be taking any advise off a â â â â â â official when it comes to my trailer fabrication and construction, the load even if sheeted/strapped/roped properly to the hooks only would never leave the trailer as when you add up the thickness and the amount of steel in the hooks alone itâs more than what actually hold the trailer to the unit!
The bolts holding the fifth wheel to the unit are also untested, so is the steel in the rubbing plate and fifth wheel pin assy!
the thing is this load restraint crap (though its been law for many years) is only been jumped on now that these â â â â â â officials can extract money at the roadside!
lets be honest if safety is their main concern some of the numptyâs you see on the road every day would be parked up.
Common sense should be used when restraining loads, the problem is some drivers donât know how to or cant be bothered!
Rhythm Thief:
Daz1970:
Dave55:
Has anyone lost a pallet through a curtain?Itâs not just about losing a palletâŚThe HSE (who will ultimately prosecute - DVSA & police do the spade work on their behalf) have said that any load inside a curtain-sider should be secured using restraints, even if the curtains are load bearing. The two reasons they give:
- Even if a load shifts & comes to rest against a load-bearing curtain, someone is going to be put in danger when they release the curtain.
- If a load does shift & rest against a curtain it could also affect the dynamics & handling characteristics of the vehicle.
Also the ropehook thing is correct, these are for securing tarpaulins only - with ropes. Restraints should go to load-bearing anchor points, the trailer chasiss or the chock rail. Rope hooks are not designed to anchor a ratchet strap to, especially the aluminium rivetted/bolted ones fitted to smaller rigid flats.
Wheelnutt - you have posted some very good points on this thread.
Actually, thatâs one of my problems with using internal straps. If you undo curtainsiders properly, you go around undoing the buckles, then you stand out of the way at the front of the trailer and release the tension. Anything leaning on the curtain comes crashing harmlessly to the floor. Now imagine the same scenario with an internal strap ⌠youâre directly beneath the load when you release the tension on the strap.
if its leaning on the curtain then you havenât secured it have you, its moved because you have not secured it. its about time VOSA jumped on these steering wheel attendants
green456:
Harry Monk:
In 26 years, I have never had a load of palletised goods fall off of a curtainsided trailer.Whilst that may be true I suspect that the wagon and trailer went over complete with the load
You seemed quite proud of the fact and posted pictures on here but canât be arsed looking for them
This one?
Yes, I did do that, but I wasnât âproud of the factâ. I post about things that happen in my working life, good or bad. Perhaps the info might help others, who knows?
In any event, I canât see internal straps making much of a difference to the outcome of that particular incident.
green456:
Rhythm Thief:
Daz1970:
- Even if a load shifts & comes to rest against a load-bearing curtain, someone is going to be put in danger when they release the curtain.
- If a load does shift & rest against a curtain it could also affect the dynamics & handling characteristics of the vehicle.
Actually, thatâs one of my problems with using internal straps. If you undo curtainsiders properly, you go around undoing the buckles, then you stand out of the way at the front of the trailer and release the tension. Anything leaning on the curtain comes crashing harmlessly to the floor. Now imagine the same scenario with an internal strap ⌠youâre directly beneath the load when you release the tension on the strap.
if its leaning on the curtain then you havenât secured it have you, its moved because you have not secured it. its about time VOSA jumped on these steering wheel attendants
How would an internal strap stop the pallet in question from leaning against the curtain? If it leans against an internal strap, itâll be leaning on the curtain, in effect. Thatâs what Iâm getting at ⌠in terms of safety, the person undoing the curtain is much more likely to be safely out of the way if the pallet is not strapped. Ratchet straps, I agree, would be highly effective, but does it not strike anyone else that going round anywhere up to four double deckers every single night, dilligently strapping every single one of up to 65 pallets, might be overkill? As I mentioned earlier, I (and plenty of other drivers) have been driving curtainsiders with freight secured by no straps whatsoever for years, and the number of things which have fallen off would seem to indicate that itâs nowhere near as dangerous as VOSA and some others are making out. Even DHL didnât train me to secure loads on curtainsiders with straps and that was only two years ago.
I had a couple of months doing ferry trailers out of immingham, big mistake when I am normally on containers for the same money, I wanted to be off it after a week.
Yeah some loads needed strapping down, but there were some loads that didnât need strapping down, but had to be, in trailers with side boards and load restraining curtains which had been loaded on a bay, so no chance of doing it when it was being loaded!
You can shove curtainsider work where the sun donât shine, I would rather spend the couple of hours or so it takes to load/unload the container on the bunk or watching TV, rather than â â â â â â â about in the wind and rain buckling/unbuckling and strapping/un strapping loads!
And no Iâm not afraid of hard work, just unneseccery work!
Moose:
thatâs my next job, getting some stickers made up which states what my hooks are rated to!
I for 1 wont be taking any advise off a â â â â â â official when it comes to my trailer fabrication and construction, the load even if sheeted/strapped/roped properly to the hooks only would never leave the trailer as when you add up the thickness and the amount of steel in the hooks alone itâs more than what actually hold the trailer to the unit!
The bolts holding the fifth wheel to the unit are also untested, so is the steel in the rubbing plate and fifth wheel pin assy!
the thing is this load restraint crap (though its been law for many years) is only been jumped on now that these â â â â â â officials can extract money at the roadside!
lets be honest if safety is their main concern some of the numptyâs you see on the road every day would be parked up.
Common sense should be used when restraining loads, the problem is some drivers donât know how to or cant be bothered!
That pretty well sums it up for me.
OVLOV JAY:
nick2008:
So how do you secure 24 ton of sand
Very Good
nick2008:
:lol:OVLOV JAY:
nick2008:
So how do you secure 24 ton of sand
Very Good
make a sandcastle 
wheelnutt:
limeyphil:
What the [zb] are rope hooks for? hanging your washing on?.You could call it that, rope hooks are for the sheeting only, not to restrain the actual load.
what? To rope and sheet? You talk bollox! 
