Hi Ray,
This is a great photo of a JRT vehicle, I have this one in my collection but so glad you you took the time to put it on site.
How was thes vats lifted by the way, fork lift or crane ?
Didn’t JRT carry Harp Vats also.
Regards
Dave
Hi Dave, I think the tanks were unloaded and re loaded to and from the Guinness boats
by a mobile dock crane, and on to the quay,from where a fork truck would take them
in to the dock shed,and stack them 4 high. The circular raised section on the top of
each tank fitted snugly into the bottom of the recessed part of the tank that was above it.
The Leyland Beaver had an unusual handbrake, To apply the brake , the lever was pushed
forward to apply it, and backwards to release it. The accelerator pedal was the middle one
of the 3 pedals on the floor of the cab. Ray Smyth.
Hi Pete,
I have only seen this pic of Liverpool Haulage, maybe not many taken.
Thanks for posting.
Dave
xkopite:
Hi Pete,
I have only seen this pic of Liverpool Haulage, maybe not many taken.
Thanks for posting.
Dave
Hi Dave,
The only reason I have that photo is the lorry has a Wolverhampton registration number on it! Cheer’s Pete
Hi Pete,
Dum me, looking at everything else except plate.
Wonder why its registered in Wolverhampton, unless they had a sub depot there.
Regards
Dave
xkopite:
Hi Pete,
Dum me, looking at everything else except plate.
Wonder why its registered in Wolverhampton, unless they had a sub depot there.
Regards
Dave
Hi Dave,
Just noticed its fleet numbered 1 and it has an odd wheel centre on front axle, looks similar to one’s fitted on Sentinel steamer’s?
Hi Dave, Further to my last post, a couple of things came to mind.
Guinness Export Bottlers at Norfolk Street was on a very slight
uphill incline as you approached the delivery point,which was a
hole in the wall near ground level,and a pipe came through the
wall to be connected to the tanks. A large wooden “Scotch” on a
steel chain attached to the trailer would be placed under the rear
nearside trailer wheels,to prevent it running back.
Handbrake ■■ Not needed. The “Second Man/Trailer Lad” would
then uncouple the drawbar pin and handbrake cable, so that the
driver could go to the trailer with empties,and wait for the lad to
hook on. The lad would then climb on top of each full tank, lift
the dust cover, and undo the wingnuts on the sealed tank lid,
to allow air in,so that the pump man in the factory could start
to pump out the Guinness or Harp Lager.
Sometimes,the “Lad” would be an elderly ex horse and cart man
that never got round to learning to drive.
If the “Elf & Safetee” had existed in the 60s,they would have had
a “Field day” in Norfolk Street"
Regards, Ray Smyth.
Ray
Brill memories you have there, I remember Norfolk St and it surrounds well.
My dad worked in the African Oil Mill’s bottom of Parliament St, he used to take me down to see the steam wagons.
Cheers
Dave
countycruiser:
Hi, first post for me…I was interested in the discussion on Larkins Transport…Last year i met a gentleman at Leyland transport museum who introduced himself as Mr Larkin,we talked of haulage in Liverpool and then he took out a wad of photographs of Larkins trucks,very interesting…I think he said that his yard was at Kirkby even though he had retired.
A very interesting half hour…
HI i,m the youngest of Robbie [ BOBBY ] Larkins sons were the pics you were shown of RED AND WHITE TRUCKS or LIGHT BLUE AND DARK BLUE
THERE WERE TWO LARKINS THAT OPERATED OUT OF LIVERPOOL FOR A PERIOD
R J LARKIN
R A LARKIN
I have recently been reading about towns and cities,and what they are
well known for manufacturing, for example, Bradford for woollen products,
St Helens for glass, High Wycombe for furniture, Wigan for cotton, etc.
Liverpool, on the other hand produced lots of good things to eat.
For biscuits, there was Crawfords, Jacobs, Huntley & Palmer.
For Jam and Marmalade, Hartleys, Nelsons Preserves, and Irwins.
Apart from local bakeries large and small, there were two enormous
bakeries,with up to 100 bread vans each. They were Scotts (Allied Bakeries),
and Mothers Pride, (Rank Hovis). It seems logical to produce so many food
products in Merseyside, since most of their ingredients arrived in the UK
only a few miles away at the docks, for example, Wheat, Sugar, Maize,etc.
Made not far away was Holland Toffee in Southport, Robertsons and Duerrs
Jams in Mancester, and Santus of Wigan,(Uncle Joes Mint Balls),
and not forgetting Barker & Dobson, makers of “Everton Mints”,
and one time sponsor of Everton Football Club.
Just north of the Pier Head was Bibbys grain mill and warehouse, Tate & Lyle
Sugar Refinery, and United Molasses, all connected to the food trade,
and creating work for us lorry drivers. Regards, Ray Smyth.
P.S. Another large bakery was Sayers on Lorenzo Drive,
Further to my above post, there were two major employers, Ogdens famous for
producing St Bruno pipe tobacco and other smoking products.
Also British American Tobacco, making cigarettes and cigars.
The tobacco leaf would have arrived at the docks,just 2 miles away.
Ray Smyth.
Hi Dave, I found these 2 photos last weekend. I remember the steamers on the Dock Road
in Liverpool in the early 60s. I recall there were Bibbys,and also Criddle Sentinel Steam
short wheelbase tractors, chuff-chuff-chuffing along past the Pier Head,usually pulling
a drawbar trailer loaded with sacks of grain or animal feed.
Whether Criddle PD 1854 was ever owned and operated by Criddle, I do not know,
it has a Surrey number plate, perhaps it became a “Criddle” only in preservation.
I am sure some Sentinel expert will kindly supply us with the answer.
The 2nd Sentinel KG 1123 could have been originally with “Cardiff Gas Light & Coke Co”,
because it has a Cardiff Number Plate. I was at the Model Railway Exhibition at
Merchant Taylors School last Sunday, and by pure chance, I got chatting to an ex lorry
driver who showed me 3 photos of Jarvis Robinson Transport Leylands. as soon as he
sends them to me, I will post them on here. I have just put a photo of an “Echo Van”
on the Scrapbook Memories thread. Kind Regards, Ray Smyth.
Leyland Beaver ballast tractor ADM 354 of Jarvis Robinson Transport of Bootle, Merseyside.
Picture is courtesy of Peter Kenrick, former HGV Driver. Regards, Ray Smyth.
240 Gardner:
Mi671ke:
Hi just seen this page, Robert Armstrong(Liverpool)Ltd, Linacre Road Litherland, workedclosely with Streets of Watchet in the 60s,taking backloads of paper reels for Bowaters Ellesmere Port fron the Reed and Smith Mill at Watchet. I beleive they were absorbed by Pandoro llater on.They became part of the P&O Group, but nothing directly to do with Pandoro. As I recall, they disappreaed into P&O Roadtanks along with James Hemphill, John Forman & A S Jones
I think Pandoro were the paper company.I drove for Armstrongs from 1973 until emigrating in 1979.Then were all based in Southampton.Think PO to command in 1978 or77.I picked up the ERF from Linacre on my first trip.The Volve was painted in P&O colours later then replaced with an F12 which I drove from new.
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Hi Ray,
I found some pics of North Western Gas Board.
Thanks lads for posting some great pics in my Liverpool topic.
Cheers
Dave
Conga:
I think Pandoro were the paper company.I drove for Armstrongs from 1973 until emigrating in 1979.Then were all based in Southampton.Think PO to command in 1978 or77.I picked up the ERF from Linacre on my first trip.The Volve was painted in P&O colours later then replaced with an F12 which I drove from new.
Pandoro was P&O’s Irish Sea operation, combining haulage and freight-only ferry services: it started in 1975, as a merger between Northern Ireland Trailers and Ferrymasters (Ireland), and the HQ was at Fleetwood
Another Leyland Beaver ballast tractor, FTO 465, Jarvis Robinson Transport, Bootle,Merseyside.
The huge timbers on the trailer look very much like the size that was necessary,when the enormous
lock gates in the Mersey Docks needed repair or replacement. Picture courtesy of Peter Kenrick.
Regards, Ray Smyth.