Limpets/Limpers

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Juddian:

nightline:

nsmith1180:

Kerragy:
Why don’t you suggest another name we can use for an agency driver that would save us a few keystrokes?

How about ‘driver’, we are no less qualified than many of you, why do we need to distinguish between the two?

James the cat:
All this wanting to work hours you want any old time, self employed business is corrosive to working conditions in the longer term. Short sighted. I don’t have a great opinion of long term “lifestyle” limpers.

Why don’t you have a great opinion of those of us who don’t tie into the company line just for a quiet and easy life? Why are we the subject of your scorn because we are willing to take the more difficult route to achieve the work/life balance we want?

The point I was making, and it was a serious point by the way is that several of the recent uses of the term limper, and the recent possibly auto-correct induced use of the term Limpet have come across is insulting. People on here tend to use the term Limper to describe someone under qualified, incompetent and of generally unsavory appeal and appearance. It is the setting in which the term is used which makes it offensive.

I would also point out that while there are some agency drivers are are under qualified, incompetent and of generally unsavory appeal and appearance, there are many more who are not. There are also many full timers who fit the same description.

Most of us are skilled men, more skilled than the average full timer on direct comparison because we have to be. We don’t know what wagon we will be driving from one day to the next, what job we will be doing. Many have every additional qualification under the sun, ADR, Hiab, Moffet et al because we never know when we might need to use them. (I dont btw claim to have moffet or ADR yet but will be doing my ADR in November ish and probably wont do a moffet, not enough work to make it pay back.)

Full timers on the other hand tend to be a lot more specialised. They have been driving the same wagon since the days of Churchill and know it inside and out, they are experts in the doing of their specific job, be it trunking, brick and block, containers or whatever. We are the Jacks of all trades, you are the Masters of one and there is a place for all of us. But there is no need for slang terms, insulting or otherwise to distinguish between the two.

Very well said, most on here would be afraid to work for agency because they would not be able to drive different trucks every day, it would put the fear of god into them and that’s why they are not professionals at what they do and post here to get a feeling of they think they are and slag people off, it sticks out a mile

Oh please, how many gate change Scammells does the average agency bod get begged to drive cos he’s the only bugger in the depot that can manage it.

Modern lorry you find D and press the loud pedal, thats about the sum total of skill the job now demands, sadly, and some even more sadly can’t manage that simple task seeing as we now need auto braking and radar distance controls.
Any bloody fool can sit behind the wheel of a lorry now, and thats why the job is cheap.
Whether the person behind the wheel is directly employed or some wide boy in a shiny suit is taking a large drink out of every pound the wheel attendant earns is a moot point.

Its as said above, banter.
What a bloody pity the PC ■■■■■■■■ that has infected and ruined everything else in our lives is seeping gradually into our once happy go lucky industry.

Its about the fear factor confidence, your right anyone can drive one but its the not knowing what they have to drive, and there’s lots and lots of drivers who live by this

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PLEASE stop the multi quotes :imp: not needed

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There are some good points in here, some funny points and some that are obviously aimed to offend.

I started this topic to make a point, insults on here run off my back like water. After all, why get massively offended by people I will likely never meet? But I do have a serious point.

Agency drivers, full timers, zero hours drivers and occasional retired drivers are all doing the same job. In the course of that job we take insults left, right and centre.

Transport Managers who started washing trucks, then went straight into the office and only know what a wagon looks like because they walk past ten on the way to their comfortable chairs insult us when we dare to disagree because what they think, we know to be wrong.

Security guards who get up on their high horse because the are sick of working crap hours in tiny gatehouses who inflict their sense of authority on us because we are the bottom of the pile, the one group of people they can actually boss around.

The media who accuse us constantly of being the worst thing on the road, incompetent, dangerous, mobile using drunks who don’t give a toss. The Clarkson’s of the world who assume all we do is munch chocolate and murder ladies of the night.

The car drivers who refuse to accept that we have a right to be on the road too.

The cyclists who treat us with such contempt they shout and swear at us when we are rolling, then hang off the bloody wagon when the lights are red, hide in the blind spots, run the inside line when we are turning left and then blame us when one of their number gets hurt.

We take such stick from everyone else, why do we have to separate ourselves by class? Why do we need to make one type of driver inferior to others because of a choice they have made between security and flexibility?

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Stanley Knife:

yorkielee:
I was on agency as I couldn’t get a full time job with a real wage working regular hours. Now finally I have n hopefully the agencies will all get closed down and abolish 0 hours contracts.

Hypocritical statement: It was okay for you to use an agency until you got a full time job but now you have one all agencies should be closed down so no-one else can follow the same path.

if they were closed down then there would only be real jobs on offer…job done.

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nightline:
Very well said, most on here would be afraid to work for agency because they would not be able to drive different trucks every day, it would put the fear of god into them and that’s why they are not professionals at what they do and post here to get a feeling of they think they are and slag people off, it sticks out a mile

I was with you part of the way on things mate, and you were doing so well up to this point.

Juddian has beat me to it, but on this occasion you are talking directly from your ■■■■.

Show me (and most of us on here) a truck that I can not drive and I will show you a Chinook Helicopter.

I don’t know how much or how little experience you have, but I have managed every type of gearbox, combination, trailer type, top range truck or heap of ■■■■ that has been presented to me over many years.
So how exactly am I not a professional compared to the likes of you exactly?

Top tip mate…Thinking things through first before you post prevents you from looking a complete chump, :bulb: you can have that one for free.

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robroy:

nightline:
Very well said, most on here would be afraid to work for agency because they would not be able to drive different trucks every day, it would put the fear of god into them and that’s why they are not professionals at what they do and post here to get a feeling of they think they are and slag people off, it sticks out a mile

I was with you part of the way on things mate, and you were doing so well up to this point.

Juddian has beat me to it, but on this occasion you are talking directly from your ■■■■.

Show me (and most of us on here) a truck that I can not drive and I will show you a Chinook Helicopter.

I don’t know how much or how little experience you have, but I have managed every type of gearbox, combination, trailer type, top range truck or heap of [zb] that has been presented to me over many years.
So how exactly am I not a professional compared to the likes of you exactly?

Well you must see a Chinook helicopter every day, that’s unless you one of the people who don’t have much confidence and there are many, its called a fear factor and a lot of people find it hard to face it, anyone could drive a truck nowadays

Top tip mate…Thinking things through first before you post prevents you from looking a complete chump, :bulb: you can have that one for free.

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robroy:
Top tip mate…Thinking things through first before you post prevents you from looking a complete chump, :bulb: you can have that one for free.

Agree and well put!

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Conor:

yorkielee:
I was an agency driver and I got called a few names. Not that any of it bothered me but the thing is I absolutely hate agency’s and what they stand for. People should be working full time hours with a real wage. Thanks to all these agencies n people wanting flexible days as not only [zb] up driving jobs but all jobs. I was on agency as I couldn’t get a full time job with a real wage working regular hours. Now finally I have n hopefully the agencies will all get closed down and abolish 0 hours contracts.

I’m on agency and I’ve been doing full time whenever I’ve wanted it and with the exception of the current place I’m at I’ve usually been on more money than the permanent staff. Perhaps the reason you couldn’t get a full time job is the reason you don’t get full time work offered with agencies?

Certainly if that was the case I’d personally be taking a long honest look at myself to see what I was doing wrong. Given in another thread you seemingly need to use a spell checker to spell simple words and can’t grasp the correct use of their, they’re and there I would hazard a guess that you couldn’t get a full time job because your application forms were like the illiterate ■■■■■■■■ you post on here and looked like someone who hadn’t gone to school had filled them in so your form went straight in the bin.

Conor I know your a an established member on here and I do sometimes respect your opinions and answers but on this comment about my spellings and use of English I think your a c…k you don’t know me and you don’t know that I am dyslexic but you do now. I can read a map I can read paperwork and I can drive a truck. I now have a full time job that pays a real wage and I’m home every night. When I said I couldn’t get a full time job that’s kinda incorrect i could and I have been offered quite a few but I won’t work for £8 a hour and I won’t do the stupid hours just to get a couple of quid overtime after 60 hours. I would say I am an intelligent person (daft at times)

In other posts I have put on here I’ve talked about my girlfriend doing management cpc so I can be a owner driver then pay myself what I feel I’m worth and put the hours into it for me. The job I have now is £600 a week job and knock. Yes I did 65 hours last week as I didn’t know where any of the places was or the way to do things but on Friday I did a 10 hour shift. Started at 4am finished by 2pm. The other lad said he does an average of 55 hours a week and like I said I’m home everyday. And the job is 8 miles from my house. I’m now happy with that. My girlfriend will still do her cpc and from then see what we do. I have also had 4 holidays this year and 3 last year

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dri-diddly-iver:

robroy:
Top tip mate…Thinking things through first before you post prevents you from looking a complete chump, :bulb: you can have that one for free.

Agree and well put!

The only people looking like complete chumps here are you two, when someone posts something true ye revert to slagging off that person, why, well maybe by someone telling a few truths you havened the intelligence to have a good reply, as I said plenty of rejects in this job and some with a lot of years behind them and that’s called limping through life good luck with that boys

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nightline:
Well you must see a Chinook helicopter every day, that’s unless you one of the people who don’t have much confidence and there are many, its called a fear factor and a lot of people find it hard to face it, anyone could drive a truck nowadays

Well now when you come to say there are many excercises in my area, and Chinooks are a common site. (thanks for being interested btw)

Me no confidence? :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

You obviously do not know me or anything about me mate, I am confident to the point of being cocky since you ask, never turned a challenge down (within reason) if failed got right back up again, never walked away from a ruck, and never suffered d.heads with any tolerance…nothing personal btw :smiley:
As for fear, nah, wrong again I’m afraid.

Epic fail on that one I reckon bud. :wink:

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nightline:

dri-diddly-iver:

robroy:
Top tip mate…Thinking things through first before you post prevents you from looking a complete chump, :bulb: you can have that one for free.

Agree and well put!

The only people looking like complete chumps here are you two, when someone posts something true ye revert to slagging off that person, why, well maybe by someone telling a few truths you havened the intelligence to have a good reply, as I said plenty of rejects in this job and some with a lot of years behind them and that’s called limping through life good luck with that boys

Oh dear oh dear, looks like you’ve lost the argument reverting to personal insults mate…

(Btw at least I have the intelligence to spell words right and use correct grammar.)

As for limping through life, managed ok up to now, but thanks for the concern.

Another freebie for you… read my post contents before you make an adverse comment, I was actually sticking up for agency drivers, my name calling on this thread was (I thought obviously, but evidently not) tongue in cheek and light hearted banter. :bulb:

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robroy:

nightline:
Well you must see a Chinook helicopter every day, that’s unless you one of the people who don’t have much confidence and there are many, its called a fear factor and a lot of people find it hard to face it, anyone could drive a truck nowadays

Well now when you come to say there are many excercises in my area, and Chinooks are a common site. (thanks for being interested btw)

Me no confidence? :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

You obviously do not know me or anything about me mate, I am confident to the point of being cocky since you ask, never turned a challenge down (within reason) if failed got right back up again, never walked away from a ruck, and never suffered d.heads with any tolerance…nothing personal btw :smiley:
As for fear, nah, wrong again I’m afraid.

I did not know we had superman here as a driver, hello superman welcome, the driver bit well we only have your word on that

Epic fail on that one I reckon bud. :wink:

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nightline:

robroy:

nightline:
Well you must see a Chinook helicopter every day, that’s unless you one of the people who don’t have much confidence and there are many, its called a fear factor and a lot of people find it hard to face it, anyone could drive a truck nowadays

Well now when you come to say there are many excercises in my area, and Chinooks are a common site. (thanks for being interested btw)

Me no confidence? :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

You obviously do not know me or anything about me mate, I am confident to the point of being cocky since you ask, never turned a challenge down (within reason) if failed got right back up again, never walked away from a ruck, and never suffered d.heads with any tolerance…nothing personal btw :smiley:
As for fear, nah, wrong again I’m afraid.

I did not know we had superman here as a driver, hello superman welcome, the driver bit well we only have your word on that

Epic fail on that one I reckon bud. :wink:

Do try and sort out the correct procedure for quoting posts and setting them out mate, it aint that difficult even for you.
Deciphering them is a job for Superman.

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dieseldog999:

Stanley Knife:

yorkielee:
I was on agency as I couldn’t get a full time job with a real wage working regular hours. Now finally I have n hopefully the agencies will all get closed down and abolish 0 hours contracts.

Hypocritical statement: It was okay for you to use an agency until you got a full time job but now you have one all agencies should be closed down so no-one else can follow the same path.

if they were closed down then there would only be real jobs on offer…job done.

+1 my mates work for a large high street company in there warehouse as flt drivers. There on £9.50 ish a hour and they have worked there over 10 years. New lads starting now are on agency and getting £7.50, after this 13 weeks thing you would expect that they get paid the same. They don’t as the agency gives them a contract at £7.50 so they never become a full timer. When I left school 15 years ago I could walk out one full time job on a Friday and start a new full time one on the Monday. Since the agency started and the eastern Europeions got free movement of people it’s all gone to pot.

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robroy:

nightline:

robroy:

nightline:
Well you must see a Chinook helicopter every day, that’s unless you one of the people who don’t have much confidence and there are many, its called a fear factor and a lot of people find it hard to face it, anyone could drive a truck nowadays

Well now when you come to say there are many excercises in my area, and Chinooks are a common site. (thanks for being interested btw)

Me no confidence? :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

You obviously do not know me or anything about me mate, I am confident to the point of being cocky since you ask, never turned a challenge down (within reason) if failed got right back up again, never walked away from a ruck, and never suffered d.heads with any tolerance…nothing personal btw :smiley:
As for fear, nah, wrong again I’m afraid.

What this is called is reverting to slagging off someone when they cant get there way, just like your slagging my grammar or spelling because you cant win or think you cant or you don’t have a answer, just so you know that’s what’s called bullying people and your up there with the best, now there’s a complement for you, are you proud of that, your a dot compared to what I have dealt with

I did not know we had superman here as a driver, hello superman welcome, the driver bit well we only have your word on that

Epic fail on that one I reckon bud. :wink:

Do try and sort out the correct procedure for quoting posts and setting them out mate, it aint that difficult even for you.
Deciphering them is a job for Superman.

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This is going well…

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the maoster:
This is going well…

Yeh, I know.
Actually bored with him now, can’t be arsed with him any longer, not even going to react to the bizzare ‘bullying’ accusation :open_mouth: :unamused:

Always feel sorry for those who are the only ones who can not see that they are making a fool of themselves.
See he still hasn’t mastered the quote thing. :laughing:

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I feel my posts are unimportant or just ignored so I’ll just loiter in the background. :unamused:

I’m definitely not a chump :imp: read my signature :wink:

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robroy:
See he still hasn’t mastered the quote thing. :laughing:

Took me a while to realise what was happening there, I just assumed that folk were simply quoting a post and adding no comment to it so I just scrolled past. Now I know what’s happening I still scroll past 'cos I can’t be arsed to read through to see which bit they added.

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Always love the comment along the lines of a full time driver only being able to drive ‘his’ lorry and only know 5 customer locations on the one route he does everyday.

Where I work most of the time im in my 2008 Volvo FH pulling a tipper trailer, but my boss expects me to been able to drive any lorry in our fleet of different makes/models ranging from 1988-2016 and multiple trailer types: Ejectors, walking floors, curtain sider, flat bed and low loaders. Also depending on work levels in different divisions I have had to drive a skip lorry and 8 wheeler tipper.

Before I turned up here I had driven most lorries from the last 10yrs and done just fridge work and curtain sider. Didn’t take a lot of time to figure out these other trailers with some help off the other drivers. I think my first issue was when they had me collect some plant and I had never driven a digger or whatever the thing was so they sent me out with a plant fitter to drive the things on/off the trailer and show me how to chain stuff down.

We never have agency drivers as they just employ enough of us to do different roles, that and there isn’t much point getting an ex Tesco driver in to do landfill work as they would probably would just reject the dirty lorry and go home :laughing: