mickyblue:
Surely if it did happen then they can only drive auto trucks?
Obviously you haven’t read the thread properly. The whole point is that if it does become Law, they WILL be able to drive manuals on an auto pass.
Daz1970:
Just heard that the DSA plans to allow LGV tests (C & C+E) to be taken in automatic vehicles and if successful the candidate will be able to drive auto’s & manual trucks also…this will obviously make passing the test(s) easier. Does anyone have any further info. on this such as dates it comes into force?
Also any thoughts on this?
I have read it properly cheers, but what I am getting at is, if they change that law then the Auto version to driving a car will have to be looked at as well. Also by the way, it’s only “Hear say” so not really a fact is it
There’s still plenty of manual 44 tonners out there, I’m on one myself for distance work. I’m surprised this would be considered in todays culture of red tape and Health and Safety !
There’s still plenty of manual 44 tonners out there, I’m on one myself for distance work. I’m surprised this would be considered in todays culture of red tape and Health and Safety !
As the current law allows for a driver to pass B and D in auto then pass C in manual straight 6 with splitter which upgrades the B and D to manual and allows the driver to drive a C with a range change or slapbox then what difference would the proposed changes make ?
ROG:
As the current law allows for a driver to pass B and D in auto then pass C in manual straight 6 with splitter which upgrades the B and D to manual and allows the driver to drive a C with a range change or slapbox then what difference would the proposed changes make ?
The standard of driving in a auto from a new driver will be lazy. Sorry but driving a lorry to a car is a different ball game.
I think it does. It’s knowing how to use it makes the control of the vehicle safer, am I right? not knowing how to use a gear box whilst driving makes you not in full control of it, am I right?
mickyblue:
I think it does. It’s knowing how to use it makes the control of the vehicle safer, am I right? not knowing how to use a gear box whilst driving makes you not in full control of it, am I right?
you are right and that was my point - which gearbox are you referring to ?
Please do not say manual or auto because they are many types of each
ROG:
As the current law allows for a driver to pass B and D in auto then pass C in manual straight 6 with splitter which upgrades the B and D to manual and allows the driver to drive a C with a range change or slapbox then what difference would the proposed changes make ?
Because IF the consultation (haven’t read this yet)/proposal turns into law…an 18 year-old can pass Cat. B manual (or auto), then Cat. C in fully automatic rigid, then Cat. C+E in fully automatic Artic…result LGV licence to drive ANY gearbox ANY truck.
My question - I probably need to read consultation doc’s- What happens to EXISTING say Cat. D licence holders with Automatic only restriction■■? Do they get a retro upgrade free of tests/charge ■■?
ROG:
As the current law allows for a driver to pass B and D in auto then pass C in manual straight 6 with splitter which upgrades the B and D to manual and allows the driver to drive a C with a range change or slapbox then what difference would the proposed changes make ?
Because IF the consultation (haven’t read this yet)/proposal turns into law…an 18 year-old can pass Cat. B manual (or auto), then Cat. C in fully automatic rigid, then Cat. C+E in fully automatic Artic…result LGV licence to drive ANY gearbox ANY truck.
My question - I probably need to read consultation doc’s- What happens to EXISTING say Cat. D licence holders with Automatic only restriction■■? Do they get a retro upgrade free of tests/charge ■■?
It would be too unfair not to upgrade those with auto D to manual if they already have B manual if the proposal comes into force so I cannot see that happening
The proposal is that if a driver has passed any B C or D manual test then all other passes in B C or D categories will be manual even if taken in autos
the maoster:
Maybe it’s me being cynical, but every time someone in authority wants to change a long established practice I wonder “what’s the agenda? Who has something to gain from this?”
No, that’s you thinking sensibly. As opposed to most people, who allow the TV to think for them.
ROG:
I wonder how we all coped with the various types of gearbox when many of us passed the test in a straight 6 - but we did
Many of us took the car test in a straight 4 or 5 speed then a lorry test which had 1 or 2 more gears. We then went onto other types of gearbox and asked how it worked before we ventured out
Taking the car test in a 5 speed and then lorry tests in autos will not cause any more issues compared to when us oldies passed so I fail to see what all the fuss is about
I’d of had a real problem if i hadnt done my tests in manuals, the companies i’ve worked for driving would never have taken the time to teach me how to use a manual.
6.6 Allowing those persons who take a lorry or bus test on an automatic vehicle to gain a manual
entitlement for those vehicles, if they already hold a manual entitlement in the following
categories: B, BE, C, CE, C1, C1E, D, DE, D1E
6.6.1 At present, where a driver holds a car driving licence, and then takes his lorry or bus test on an
automatic vehicle, his driving licence will restrict him to only being able to drive large automatic vehicles.
This change removes this restriction.
In future, if a driver takes their large vehicle test on an automatic
vehicle, as long as they already hold a manual entitlement for another vehicle, they will not be restricted
to driving large automatic vehicles.
So, a driver who had passed a test on a manually operated vehicle
(other than motorcycles) would be able to hold a manual driving licence on another vehicle, even if they
had taken a test on an automatic vehicle.
6.6.2 We will also extend this relaxation to current holders of a large vehicle automatic licence, as long
as they also hold a manual entitlement in another category (except motorcycles). Their licence would be
updated when they exchanged it for any reason - NB large vehicle drivers are required to update their
driving licence every five years, so in the main it would be updated at that time. If they wished to
exchange the licence earlier it would be their decision and they would be responsible for paying the cost
of exchanging the licence at that time.
6.6.2 We will also extend this relaxation to current holders of a large vehicle automatic licence, as long
as they also hold a manual entitlement in another category (except motorcycles). Their licence would be
updated when they exchanged it for any reason - NB large vehicle drivers are required to update their
driving licence every five years, so in the main it would be updated at that time. If they wished to
exchange the licence earlier it would be their decision and they would be responsible for paying the cost
of exchanging the licence at that time.
This could be massive for the bus/coach industry…allowing ‘service bus drivers’ with restricted auto. licence to drive manual coaches & mini-buses
of which loads still exist, in smaller operators’ fleets.
Saaamon:
I’d of had a real problem if i hadnt done my tests in manuals, the companies i’ve worked for driving would never have taken the time to teach me how to use a manual.
Lets say you passed LGV with a straight 6 splitter … how would you get to know how a 4 over 4 worked then ?