Do you think this will follow for other catorgories I,e b+e etc ?
I know there has been talk of accepting auto for BE where the candidate has passed man B. But I dont know if that’s happened - I havent’ heard so.
Pete 
ROG:
The responsibility rests with the company, if something goes awry then it falls on their head
if its driving or load related its down to the driver not the company, like it or not
ROG:
Generally, companies do not want to pay for training as that is an expense for someone else to bear - they just want experienced drivers who can get on with the job straight away - especially where agency drivers are concerned
am sure a said that in my last post 
Peter Smythe:
Do you think this will follow for other catorgories I,e b+e etc ?
I know there has been talk of accepting auto for BE where the candidate has passed man B. But I dont know if that’s happened - I havent’ heard so.
Pete
In NI a manual B gets manual BE if they do BE auto and it has been that way for years
smallsie:
ROG:
The responsibility rests with the company, if something goes awry then it falls on their headif its driving or load related its down to the driver not the company, like it or not
What if the driver has not been trained correctly ?
ROG:
smallsie:
ROG:
The responsibility rests with the company, if something goes awry then it falls on their headif its driving or load related its down to the driver not the company, like it or not
What if the driver has not been trained correctly ?
well again thats not the companys or agencys fault is it and we read on here time and time again you only get what you pay for 
smallsie:
ROG:
smallsie:
ROG:
The responsibility rests with the company, if something goes awry then it falls on their headif its driving or load related its down to the driver not the company, like it or not
What if the driver has not been trained correctly ?
well again thats not the companys or agencys fault is it
Yep this is true buy cheap pay twice
But as we all know it is still the drivers responsibility as they are responsible for safety & contents of load this is EU law & they are not interested in changing it poss another reason for the dcpc
Having just taken my class one last month, I was suprised when i pulled up at the test centre in cf with tandem 40ft trailer. The motor from another school was there a 10t man pulling a tilt bodyed trailer that was about the size of a medium sized car. I quized my instructor about it but he said it still quailified for doing class one, yet bears no relation to your average unit and trailer. Ps i failed the damm test for forgeting the dog clip of all things other than that only got 2 minors got my retest next week.
One of these days some bright spark will come up with the idea that it maybe a good idea to teach newbies in a loaded truck , its a bit more realistic than empty … full size trucks of the correct type would work too .
smallsie:
ROG:
smallsie:
ROG:
The responsibility rests with the company, if something goes awry then it falls on their headif its driving or load related its down to the driver not the company, like it or not
What if the driver has not been trained correctly ?
well again thats not the companys or agencys fault is it
I think the point was missed!!
No amount of basic training is going to be able to cover everything so it is up to the company employing the driver to ensure they are competent for the job in hand and if not then they have two choices - get another driver or give specific training
bowser:
One of these days some bright spark will come up with the idea that it maybe a good idea to teach newbies in a loaded truck , its a bit more realistic than empty … full size trucks of the correct type would work too .
As I did in France, a 16M artic with manual gearbox and 17 tons of concrete in the trailer. I am amazed it isn’t the case in the UK!
ROG:
I think the point was missed!!No amount of basic training is going to be able to cover everything so it is up to the company employing the driver to ensure they are competent for the job in hand and if not then they have two choices - get another driver or give specific training
totally agree Rog, YOU have missed the point again and again how could a company or agency spent the time or money on teaching a driver every different set up in there lorrys, its called a learning curve, IMO there should be tested with a loaded lorry, after that what els could be added that would be a benefit, send them out with an other driver for 6 months
smallsie:
ROG:
I think the point was missed!!No amount of basic training is going to be able to cover everything so it is up to the company employing the driver to ensure they are competent for the job in hand and if not then they have two choices - get another driver or give specific training
totally agree Rog, YOU have missed the point again and again
No need to go that far !!
In most cases the driver would only need some quick basic training on a few things