Just noticed an inwards facing camera in my cab

[whitetruckman]

eagerbeaver:
If you work for Hermes, Keedwell’s, Maritime, etc you are monitored with your in cab camera’s and I am sure there are plenty other rubbish firms that subscribe to this nonsense.

But let’s be honest here, it WILL get worse because drivers in the main have no fibre. Plenty say how close their depot is and other crap like " They don’t mither me so it’s ok ". Other glimpses of the weak are phrases such as " I’m not bad financially and just do a few hours here and there to keep my hand in " or " I like doing agency (LTD Co) because I only work 9 months a year ".

Too many have houses and cars that they really are struggling to afford and don’t have the confidence and belief in themselves to push back against the system. I remember one poster on here boasting about having a nice middle class lifestyle involving drinking Merlot on one of my previous ’ employment roastings ’ The politicians in this country have most people exactly where they want them sadly, trapped by debt and materialistic desires whilst working & being treated like a dog doing 50/60/70+ hours a week.

A very grim situation indeed. You only get one life so why don’t you tell the pointy shoes to shove their spying devices up their arses and show some fortitude and pride ffs It’s a piece of ■■■■ to get another truck driving job, get a spine you fools

Loud cheers!

[nick2008]

eagerbeaver:
If you work for Hermes, Keedwell’s, Maritime, etc you are monitored with your in cab camera’s and I am sure there are plenty other rubbish firms that subscribe to this nonsense.

But let’s be honest here, it WILL get worse because drivers in the main have no fibre. Plenty say how close their depot is and other crap like " They don’t mither me so it’s ok ". Other glimpses of the weak are phrases such as " I’m not bad financially and just do a few hours here and there to keep my hand in " or " I like doing agency (LTD Co) because I only work 9 months a year ".

Too many have houses and cars that they really are struggling to afford and don’t have the confidence and belief in themselves to push back against the system. I remember one poster on here boasting about having a nice middle class lifestyle involving drinking Merlot on one of my previous ’ employment roastings ’ The politicians in this country have most people exactly where they want them sadly, trapped by debt and materialistic desires whilst working & being treated like a dog doing 50/60/70+ hours a week.

A very grim situation indeed. You only get one life so why don’t you tell the pointy shoes to shove their spying devices up their arses and show some fortitude and pride ffs It’s a piece of ■■■■ to get another truck driving job, get a spine you fools

Really
With the standard of driving today I’m all for it and you have to admit who’s at fault
Oh yes the muppets who can’t keep their hands off the phone and on the wheel

[ets]

mike68:
Cable tie a smart phone to the camera run a a couple of ■■■■ clips and see what gives.

I can’t download ■■■■ on my phone. Every time I try to open an “adult” website, a message comes up saying I need to contact my operator’s customer support and ask them to unblock it for me

[andy187]

ETS:

mike68:
Cable tie a smart phone to the camera run a a couple of ■■■■ clips and see what gives.

I can’t download ■■■■ on my phone. Every time I try to open an “adult” website, a message comes up saying I need to contact my operator’s customer support and ask them to unblock it for me

You could always make a home movie

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[tgtrucker]

The vast majority of you who are against this need to face the reality that it will become the norm at some point in the not too distant future. If I were you I would be starting to think about alternative jobs.

I had to stop truck driving 4 years ago, I worked for a decent company that trusted their drivers, but I’m sure eventually they will reluctantly bow to pressure from their insurance company and fit them. It might not even be insurance companies, it could become law to have them.
As a driver back then I probably would have walked away from the job if the company fitted them unless I had written guarantees that the camera was only active when the vehicle was moving and that it only recorded to hard drive and couldn’t be monitored in real time.

Now however as a non truck driving member of the great unwashed who infest the roads in a car I want driver facing cams fitted to every commercial vehicle on the road.
I don’t get out much these days but when I do it’s normally either a 12 mile trip to my local hospital or a 35 mile trip to a specialist clinic. Both of these journeys involve the A38 between plymouth and exeter. I can almost guarantee on each journey I’ll see at least one truck being driven erratically and when I draw level there’s the driver with his nose in his/her phone. It’s not the exception anymore, it’s becoming the norm.
From a car driving point of view this is genuinely scary.
If I or any member of my family was involved in an accident with a truck my first question would be where’s the driver cam footage? If there wasn’t any, or the cam had been tampered with I’d be pushing the police to do something about it. No idea if it would do any good but being aware driver faxing cams exist I’d want to know why any footage wasn’t available.

Sorry to all those who are professional drivers and don’t actually need monitoring in this way but with the massive influx of muppets to the industry who don’t give a ■■■■ about doing the job in a proper fashion, driver facing cams are now becoming increasingly necessary.
As I said at the beginning, it’s fast approaching the time you might want to look for alternative employment. Your professionalism is fast becoming a redundant skill.

[rob22888]

eagerbeaver:
Too many have houses and cars that they really are struggling to afford and don’t have the confidence and belief in themselves to push back against the system. I remember one poster on here boasting about having a nice middle class lifestyle involving drinking Merlot on one of my previous ’ employment roastings ’ The politicians in this country have most people exactly where they want them sadly, trapped by debt and materialistic desires whilst working & being treated like a dog doing 50/60/70+ hours a week.

A very grim situation indeed. You only get one life so why don’t you tell the pointy shoes to shove their spying devices up their arses and show some fortitude and pride ffs It’s a piece of ■■■■ to get another truck driving job, get a spine you fools

Your bang on the money, beaver.

The penny dropped with me not so long ago that the only thing that really matters in life is having time. Time at home with the family, time to pursue interests and just generally do stuff that makes you happy. On top of that, all you need is a roof over your head and a mode of transport that both offer a decent level of comfort.

Massive mortgages on overpriced ‘dream’ homes on cul de sacs & big car finance on flash cars that impress the neighbours, along with all the other ‘buy now on interest free credit’ clobber are total ■■■■■■■■ & a trap that ultimately enslave you.

I fell into the trap & it’s a long game to get out but I’m copping for the in cab camera at the moment as I fully intend for this driving job to be my last. The industry is too far gone.

[matto75]

I’d be intrigued to know how the law views the idea of private phone calls being monitored, break time being monitored and for trampers, recording while you are getting undressed etc.

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[robroy]

Tgtrucker:
The vast majority of you who are against this need to face the reality that it will become the norm at some point in the not too distant future. If I were you I would be starting to think about alternative jobs.

I had to stop truck driving 4 years ago, I worked for a decent company that trusted their drivers, but I’m sure eventually they will reluctantly bow to pressure from their insurance company and fit them. It might not even be insurance companies, it could become law to have them.
As a driver back then I probably would have walked away from the job if the company fitted them unless I had written guarantees that the camera was only active when the vehicle was moving and that it only recorded to hard drive and couldn’t be monitored in real time.

Now however as a non truck driving member of the great unwashed who infest the roads in a car I want driver facing cams fitted to every commercial vehicle on the road.
I don’t get out much these days but when I do it’s normally either a 12 mile trip to my local hospital or a 35 mile trip to a specialist clinic. Both of these journeys involve the A38 between plymouth and exeter. I can almost guarantee on each journey I’ll see at least one truck being driven erratically and when I draw level there’s the driver with his nose in his/her phone. It’s not the exception anymore, it’s becoming the norm.
From a car driving point of view this is genuinely scary.
If I or any member of my family was involved in an accident with a truck my first question would be where’s the driver cam footage? If there wasn’t any, or the cam had been tampered with I’d be pushing the police to do something about it. No idea if it would do any good but being aware driver faxing cams exist I’d want to know why any footage wasn’t available.

Sorry to all those who are professional drivers and don’t actually need monitoring in this way but with the massive influx of muppets to the industry who don’t give a ■■■■ about doing the job in a proper fashion, driver facing cams are now becoming increasingly necessary.
As I said at the beginning, it’s fast approaching the time you might want to look for alternative employment. Your professionalism is fast becoming a redundant skill.

Ok, you make a fair and valid number of points there…but.
This is exactly what ‘‘they’’ want, acceptance of all this crap among drivers as being ‘‘The norm’’ , and this is what ‘‘they’’ want in order to make it easier to implement more injustices, and to create a totally subservient and accepting workforce with zero rights and zero fairness (half way there already btw ) so where does it stop exactly??

It’s another example of the old chucking out the baby with the bathwater approach, the usual answer to everything in this ■■■■ country.
(The same reason why the likes of you and me can not get as cheap supermarket beer as in the past, to sit down and watch football on a Sunday, because the ■■■■■■■■■ don’t know when to stop and the costs that result.
Why I can not park in a lot of long term favourite parking spots anymore, because of the ■■■■■ s who leave their mess next morning…ok, two tenuous examples but you get my drift, either penalise everyone, tax it or ban it, never deal with the source…good old UK. )

We have a whole nucleus of absolute unproffesional and utterlly pathetic and inept truck drivers today (■■■■ poor car drivers who have managed to blag a Class 1)

So how do ‘‘they’’ deal with it?..Do they…

Go to grass routes and look at the training quality and efficiency?

Penalise them hard at first strike with a heavy fine and te.test with a view to eventually getting rid of these characters out of the industry, and clean it up?

Actually ‘‘police’’ the roads with actual ‘‘Police’’ (yeh what a revolutionary and bizzare idea eh? ) and catch them to achieve option 2?

No…‘‘they’’ go for the easy option instead…
Tar everyone with the same brush, and penalise the likes of me and many others who try and do the job with a modicum of professionalism, who in real terms have no need or justification to be treated like this…they put a ■■■■ camera in your cab.

Result? …All the proper drivers kick off and ultimately have a bellyful of all the one size fits all methods of management, and jack the job in.
So then all you are left with the are the types who caused this epidemic of ineptitude in the job in the first place.

You say we should all look for alternative jobs…why tf should we?? It was not ‘‘us’’ who caused all this crap in the first place. That’s my point of view anyway.

[kcrussell25]

matto75:
I’d be intrigued to know how the law views the idea of private phone calls being monitored, break time being monitored and for trampers, recording while you are getting undressed etc.

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My first job was at Turner’s and you could turn them off when the ignition was off…

[the_nodding_donkey]

eagerbeaver:
If you work for Hermes, Keedwell’s, Maritime, etc you are monitored with your in cab camera’s and I am sure there are plenty other rubbish firms that subscribe to this nonsense.

But let’s be honest here, it WILL get worse because drivers in the main have no fibre. Plenty say how close their depot is and other crap like " They don’t mither me so it’s ok ". Other glimpses of the weak are phrases such as " I’m not bad financially and just do a few hours here and there to keep my hand in " or " I like doing agency (LTD Co) because I only work 9 months a year ".

Too many have houses and cars that they really are struggling to afford and don’t have the confidence and belief in themselves to push back against the system. I remember one poster on here boasting about having a nice middle class lifestyle involving drinking Merlot on one of my previous ’ employment roastings ’ The politicians in this country have most people exactly where they want them sadly, trapped by debt and materialistic desires whilst working & being treated like a dog doing 50/60/70+ hours a week.

A very grim situation indeed. You only get one life so why don’t you tell the pointy shoes to shove their spying devices up their arses and show some fortitude and pride ffs It’s a piece of ■■■■ to get another truck driving job, get a spine you fools

As usual, you’re 90% on the money my friend .

I agree that the persuit of perceived happiness has driven many into huge and often escalating debts. Due to the easy manner in which drivers can do twice the working hours than ‘ordinary’ factory or office workers, many drivers have for most of their careers laboured under the impression that they are on ‘good money’, when, in reality, they have worked themselves into the ground, sacrificed their family life and health, only to find themselves trapped by the need to earn that money, and accept the accompanying crap terms and conditions.

But to dismiss them all as ‘spineless yesmen’, who should go and get another job, is unfair. There are very few decent jobs out there, and many of those come with conditions that some ( ) might scoff at. But each driver has different ideas of what is good, and what is unacceptable.
In South Wales there are plenty of jobs, If working all week for £8.50 sounds apealling. Newport/Cardiff is a little better £10 p/h can now be had from the likes of Owens, Downturns, Hicks, TDW et all. As usual, it is a case of ‘more of the same’. I like 4on-4off, the money and hours are suiting me, And I’m not moving from one to another, just because there’s a camara pointing at me. Let’s face it, all the ‘big’ firms will introduce them at some point.

If I would contemplate working 5 days a week again, mon-Fri stylee, I could fill my boots with jobs, driving shiny trucks that have been driven through the Kelsa catalogue. Probably earning £700+a week. But I rather spend 4 days home every week.

It doesn’t matter wether us old timers grumble or not, just like syncro boxes, tachographs and the DCPC, it will happen. I’m just glad I have enjoyed the job so far, and I’ll make the most of it untill I retire.
With or without a camera.

[the_nodding_donkey]

sammym:
I’d tape it.

Best thing is you are agency so can jump into another job no problem.

I had a kip today whilst at work. I was waiting to be tipped, and was on POA. I don’t want someone watching me whilst I’m sleeping. It’s a disgrace. The fact that they didn’t inform you tells you all you need to know. Disgraceful.

Dry your eyes, and stop behaving like a millenial.

The cameras don’t work (well, shouldn’t. …) when the ignition is off. And nobody can stop you covering the camera whilst you have a break/ daily rest. So nobody will have to watch you sleep. Or toss yourself to sleep.

[ezydriver]

Most UK workplaces are like open prisons now, they’re depressing. At least a decade or two ago work was tolerable, sometimes even fun. But now?

[ets]

Tgtrucker:
The vast majority of you who are against this need to face the reality that it will become the norm at some point in the not too distant future. If I were you I would be starting to think about alternative jobs.

I had to stop truck driving 4 years ago, I worked for a decent company that trusted their drivers, but I’m sure eventually they will reluctantly bow to pressure from their insurance company and fit them. It might not even be insurance companies, it could become law to have them.
As a driver back then I probably would have walked away from the job if the company fitted them unless I had written guarantees that the camera was only active when the vehicle was moving and that it only recorded to hard drive and couldn’t be monitored in real time.

Now however as a non truck driving member of the great unwashed who infest the roads in a car I want driver facing cams fitted to every commercial vehicle on the road.
I don’t get out much these days but when I do it’s normally either a 12 mile trip to my local hospital or a 35 mile trip to a specialist clinic. Both of these journeys involve the A38 between plymouth and exeter. I can almost guarantee on each journey I’ll see at least one truck being driven erratically and when I draw level there’s the driver with his nose in his/her phone. It’s not the exception anymore, it’s becoming the norm.
From a car driving point of view this is genuinely scary.
If I or any member of my family was involved in an accident with a truck my first question would be where’s the driver cam footage? If there wasn’t any, or the cam had been tampered with I’d be pushing the police to do something about it. No idea if it would do any good but being aware driver faxing cams exist I’d want to know why any footage wasn’t available.

Sorry to all those who are professional drivers and don’t actually need monitoring in this way but with the massive influx of muppets to the industry who don’t give a ■■■■ about doing the job in a proper fashion, driver facing cams are now becoming increasingly necessary.
As I said at the beginning, it’s fast approaching the time you might want to look for alternative employment. Your professionalism is fast becoming a redundant skill.

This all reminds me of that episode of South Park where someone died due to a malfunctioning self-flushing toilet (it’s a cartoon) so the city council decided to install cameras in everyone’s toilet to “prevent further tragic incidents”

youtube.com/watch?v=NRquaeH8kfQ

[winseer]

Franglais:

ETS:
I disabled my laptop’s in-built camera as soon as I bought it for the tiny chance that someone might someday somehow hack into it

They can be hacked into remotely of course… a very slight chance of it being done, but…
A bit of gaffer tape is a simple fix that works on cameras and to some limited extent on microphones, too.

…One disables the device by uninstalling the driver, and then deleting that driver software.

I did mine the first day I had it as well. No “Skype in our time”

I have occasionally said “proceed without installation” when it comes up with the prompt “Install Microphone?” which is a bit worrying.

Have we now reached the point, I’m wondering - that we no longer bother with “updates” because each update is something like "1% makes your fonts look smoother-edged, 99% installs some spyware/adware/malwayre/randsomware/PC slower-downer on your pootah?

[rottweiler22]

I have no doubt at all that these cameras will become the norm in the coming years. It’s been unbelievable how more and more hauliers have started installing them.

I remember when it was just Turners and Maritime who had them. Funnily enough, the Turners ADR and powder tanker fleet never had them. It was just the East Anglia and Lincolnshire based fridge fleet that had the cameras. The East Anglian and Lincolnshire fridge bases which are also coincidentally manned by nearly all Eastern European drivers. The very same fridge bases who were paying Class 1 drivers £8.07 per hour in 2016. Pay, peanuts, and monkeys come to mind.

Firms love to spout off about how they’re in the interest of safety. They think that if they use the word “safety” then it’s impossible to argue against. It’s for the safety of yourself and others. Beat them at their own game. The second you feel a tad sleepy, slow, or behind the game, park up. After all, safety’s the firm’s number one concern. Don’t move off again until you’re 100% alert. You’re in a 44 tonne killing machine, so you need to be fully alert, in the interest of your own safety and that of others. TMs will soon get upset when they can’t get their 15 hour shifts any more, or their 46 minute breaks. Take an hour break. Even two. Don’t drive until you’re safe to do so. Park up at 4pm, as any later could mean truck stops being full, you having to resort to a lay-by, and jeopardising the safety of yourself. If they want safety, give them safety.

[robroy]

the nodding donkey:

eagerbeaver:
If you work for Hermes, Keedwell’s, Maritime, etc you are monitored with your in cab camera’s and I am sure there are plenty other rubbish firms that subscribe to this nonsense.

But let’s be honest here, it WILL get worse because drivers in the main have no fibre. Plenty say how close their depot is and other crap like " They don’t mither me so it’s ok ". Other glimpses of the weak are phrases such as " I’m not bad financially and just do a few hours here and there to keep my hand in " or " I like doing agency (LTD Co) because I only work 9 months a year ".

Too many have houses and cars that they really are struggling to afford and don’t have the confidence and belief in themselves to push back against the system. I remember one poster on here boasting about having a nice middle class lifestyle involving drinking Merlot on one of my previous ’ employment roastings ’ The politicians in this country have most people exactly where they want them sadly, trapped by debt and materialistic desires whilst working & being treated like a dog doing 50/60/70+ hours a week.

A very grim situation indeed. You only get one life so why don’t you tell the pointy shoes to shove their spying devices up their arses and show some fortitude and pride ffs It’s a piece of ■■■■ to get another truck driving job, get a spine you fools

As usual, you’re 90% on the money my friend .

I agree that the persuit of perceived happiness has driven many into huge and often escalating debts. Due to the easy manner in which drivers can do twice the working hours than ‘ordinary’ factory or office workers, many drivers have for most of their careers laboured under the impression that they are on ‘good money’, when, in reality, they have worked themselves into the ground, sacrificed their family life and health, only to find themselves trapped by the need to earn that money, and accept the accompanying crap terms and conditions.

But to dismiss them all as ‘spineless yesmen’, who should go and get another job, is unfair. There are very few decent jobs out there, and many of those come with conditions that some ( ) might scoff at. But each driver has different ideas of what is good, and what is unacceptable.
In South Wales there are plenty of jobs, If working all week for £8.50 sounds apealling. Newport/Cardiff is a little better £10 p/h can now be had from the likes of Owens, Downturns, Hicks, TDW et all. As usual, it is a case of ‘more of the same’. I like 4on-4off, the money and hours are suiting me, And I’m not moving from one to another, just because there’s a camara pointing at me. Let’s face it, all the ‘big’ firms will introduce them at some point.

If I would contemplate working 5 days a week again, mon-Fri stylee, I could fill my boots with jobs, driving shiny trucks that have been driven through the Kelsa catalogue. Probably earning £700+a week. But I rather spend 4 days home every week.

It doesn’t matter wether us old timers grumble or not, just like syncro boxes, tachographs and the DCPC, it will happen. I’m just glad I have enjoyed the job so far, and I’ll make the most of it untill I retire.
With or without a camera.

Nail on head there ND…,.I even thought (for all of one second ) Beaver was having a pop at me , as we’ve had conversations together in the past about all this over breakfasts (normally bought by me ) … but then I remembered he wouldn’t as he’s secretly frightened of me as I’m so big and butch and I’m actually his hero.

Seriously though… Our lot have cameras (not one to one surveillance but the ‘‘incident’’ type that are triggered) I’ve made no secret of the fact I don’t agree with them, but it’s discreetly covered.
As Beaver says, I’m also guilty of the ‘‘I aint hassled/I’m content with the job, so I put up with it’’ comments, but there are few alternatives tbh.

Just like yourself I live in an area with loads of crap jobs available, but not too many good jobs, so I make the best of things,.and I’ve no intention of going back to the outbased type jobs abroad and in South of England as I once did.

Beav is lucky enough to live in an area with a vast choice of half decent jobs…(and by Christ does he take full advantage of that building up his famous uniform collection hobby ) but my stance is a ‘better the devil you know’’ scenario.

Also like yourself, I have no longer any interest in chasing the pound by maxing 70 + bloody hours every week, nor taking hp agreements out, but prefer the extra time spent with my lovely wife that I’ve neglected over the years by spending much of our marriage apart, by cutting back to 4 days on from a Wed, and 3 off.

[eagerbeaver]

As my good friends Donkey & Nobroy have pointed out, it’s more of a ’ 90% ’ post It goes without saying that various areas of the UK are limited in terms of choice, and within reason I also understand the travelling distance to and from work (day drivers in mind as trampers obviously only do 2 journeys).

I worked for one of the 3 mentioned firms and one of the drivers at my depot has responded on this thread with a refreshing post regarding being aware of the ’ trap '. He is a smart chap and someone who I have time for, I know that the hours, travelling time for him, and easy clean work represent in his case a decent ’ package '. But there are far too many drivers who DO have a choice and just simply cannot be arsed changing employers.

While these firms continue to attract drivers, we are all screwed. The best case scenario is surely to boycott these firms and FORCE them to mainly employ new starts, migrants and 6-9 point licence holders.

A sort of quarantine to stop them infecting the rest of the haulage industry with their camera infection. If your firm KNOW they won’t get decent drivers if camera’s are installed, surely it could help stop the rot?

[truckerjimbo]

eagerbeaver:
If you work for Hermes, Keedwell’s, Maritime, etc you are monitored with your in cab camera’s and I am sure there are plenty other rubbish firms that subscribe to this nonsense.

But let’s be honest here, it WILL get worse because drivers in the main have no fibre. Plenty say how close their depot is and other crap like " They don’t mither me so it’s ok ". Other glimpses of the weak are phrases such as " I’m not bad financially and just do a few hours here and there to keep my hand in " or " I like doing agency (LTD Co) because I only work 9 months a year ".

Too many have houses and cars that they really are struggling to afford and don’t have the confidence and belief in themselves to push back against the system. I remember one poster on here boasting about having a nice middle class lifestyle involving drinking Merlot on one of my previous ’ employment roastings ’ The politicians in this country have most people exactly where they want them sadly, trapped by debt and materialistic desires whilst working & being treated like a dog doing 50/60/70+ hours a week.

A very grim situation indeed. You only get one life so why don’t you tell the pointy shoes to shove their spying devices up their arses and show some fortitude and pride ffs It’s a piece of ■■■■ to get another truck driving job, get a spine you fools

AMEN !!!

WELL SAID!!!

[truckerjimbo]

And this:

■■■■■■ Offences Act 2003 - Voyeurism

■■■■■■ Offences Act 2003

Drive naked and they are BREAKING the LAW

[remy]

truckerjimbo:
And this:

■■■■■■ Offences Act 2003 - Voyeurism

■■■■■■ Offences Act 2003

Drive naked and they are BREAKING the LAW

(3) (a) States a person commits an offence if he records another person doing a private act.

Guess you know what you have to do now lads