Now, I don’t condone this for one second but was thinking today, how do you go over your hours with a digi tacho card and not get found out and / or get away with it?
Say for example, you just HAD to make that drop and didn’t have enough hours left, what would you do? Yes, yes, I know you’d park up and tell the boss to shove it, but what if you were an OD for example?
Just curious like! 
Do it and it gets recorded, end of.
Ken.
Yeah but…I have heard tales of drivers taking their cards out and carrying on driving?
RobRob:
Yeah but…I have heard tales of drivers taking their cards out and carrying on driving?
… and that get’s recorded as well!
There is no easy way, that’s why they introduced digi cards.
Of course, I’ve heard some driver’s talk about simply “losing” one card and applying for another, but THAT WILL NOT WORK as the cards are consecutively numbered. This means your card number just increases by one, and it takes 2 secs for the VOSA man to work out the card you show him is a replacement, but the card used for a full day’s work just prior to him stopping you, is your original… There is no explanation and you will have your licence revoked.
There probably are ways and means, but, and especially if you’re an OD, would you really want to risk your entire existence, not to mention your expensive truck payments, on some shonky, digi card shuffle?
use a device that sounds like a kitchen company
charliebear:
use a device that sounds like a kitchen company
OK, where would I be able to get one of these Moben devices■■? 
Bacon Sandwich:
charliebear:
use a device that sounds like a kitchen companyOK, where would I be able to get one of these Moben devices■■?
From your Moben designer. Alternatively use a Magnet.
I have taken the card out and carried on. Not for long and yes I know it’s wrong!
If you are going to do it then it’s best to leave the card in and record it. The fines for going over your hours are tiny compared to those for falsifying records. Oh and they don’t carry the threat of a potential jail sentence of up to two years.
Coffeeholic:
If you are going to do it then it’s best to leave the card in and record it. The fines for going over your hours are tiny compared to those for falsifying records. Oh and they don’t carry the threat of a potential jail sentence of up to two years.
+1
I was doing some work last summer on log dook in a truck fitted with a digi tacho, the job I had to do would have taken a 12 hour drive, easy I think, I’m on log(lie) book so no probs! Or so I thought 
I got pulled by vosa and matey boy jumps in to the cab looks at the log book which was fine, he then puts his own digi card in and does a print out! I nearly [zb] myself, I didn’t give the digi machine a second thought about recording what I was doing without a card in. Luckily I was legal but I had to arrange for another driver to come out a bit further down the road to rescue me.
RobRob:
Say for example, you just HAD to make that drop and didn’t have enough hours left, what would you do? Yes, yes, I know you’d park up and tell the boss to shove it, but what if you were an OD for example?
An OD can use Article 8(a)
By way of derogation from Article 8, an Owner Driver may extend the daily
rest period beyond the 24-hour period in order not to jeopardise customer relations
and thereby his business. This derogation may be used no more than twice between
weekly rest periods and any rest taken outside the 24-hour period shall be compensated
by an equivalent period of rest taken en bloc before the end of the third week following
the week in question and attached to another rest period of at least nine hours.
I hope this helps.
Coffeeholic:
RobRob:
Say for example, you just HAD to make that drop and didn’t have enough hours left, what would you do? Yes, yes, I know you’d park up and tell the boss to shove it, but what if you were an OD for example?An OD can use Article 8(a)
By way of derogation from Article 8, an Owner Driver may extend the daily
rest period beyond the 24-hour period in order not to jeopardise customer relations
and thereby his business. This derogation may be used no more than twice between
weekly rest periods and any rest taken outside the 24-hour period shall be compensated
by an equivalent period of rest taken en bloc before the end of the third week following
the week in question and attached to another rest period of at least nine hours.I hope this helps.
Too good…
It would be very difficult to modify the information on both the VU and the card because they are protected by 1024-bit RSA encryption which it had been claimed would take a supercomputer more than 100 years to crack.
But when it was finally cracked the year before last they said it had only taken them 104 hours.
engadget.com/2010/03/09/1024 … pu-of-ele/
This would all be just a little bit too much hassle for most drivers though I should imagine so I think you can still be 99 percent certain that whoever tells you they have an easy hack for the digi tacho machine is talking bull.
Talking of going over hours. Last Friday evening when part of the north of England came to a grinding halt in the very slightly adverse conditions and it was looking like I might run out of hours lad in the office says " its okay to go over your hours if you are running back to the yard loaded" I replied " Oh no its not" he insisted he was right so I replied " Don’t matter any ways cause I’m empty". Surely that only applies if you are carrying livestock ? I got back in time as it happens no thanks to the peeps who abandoned their cars in the slush.
I can’t believe people will admit here to doing things like removing the card and continuing work.
VOSA bods are many things, idiots fools and stupid they most certainly are not, i should imagine they have the use of clever geeks who can put a name address inside leg and willy measurement to anyone here in seconds.
Once a post is out in the ether lads there is not telling where it might end up, do think a bit before online confessions.
Quinny:
Do it and it gets recorded, end of.Ken.
yep thats what i used to do… ( its just cost me £19 for a card thats ahem lost )
Juddian:
VOSA bods are many things, idiots fools and stupid they most certainly are not, i should imagine they have the use of clever geeks who can put a name address inside leg and willy measurement to anyone here in seconds.
There are only two ways that anyone could put a name and address to anyone, 1) if someone has not hidden his/her identity on the Internet 2) if they have access to your IP address, and even then they would have to convince your ISP to release your name and address which would probably be contravening the data protection act unless there was a court order in place.
then they have to prove you wer`nt lieing
Coffeeholic:
An OD can use Article 8(a)By way of derogation from Article 8, an Owner Driver may extend the daily
rest period beyond the 24-hour period in order not to jeopardise customer relations
and thereby his business. This derogation may be used no more than twice between
weekly rest periods and any rest taken outside the 24-hour period shall be compensated
by an equivalent period of rest taken en bloc before the end of the third week following
the week in question and attached to another rest period of at least nine hours.I hope this helps.
It certainly does. Well well, I didn’t know that one existed, not that I’m likely to be OD again. Not in this country anyway.