Optimum:
…“now we’ve been told the small bonus that we get each year for not damaging the vehicles never existed according to our HR department.”May I suggest that you ask HR if they object to you referring this to your Union.
Collective grievance is being looked at.
robroy:
Optimum:
…“now we’ve been told the small bonus that we get each year for not damaging the vehicles never existed according to our HR department.”May I suggest that you ask HR if they object to you referring this to your Union.
A pound to a pinch of [zb] they have no Union, or do not recognise them.
Anyway keep up, Unions are baaaaad.
Unite are active and recognised although membership dropped recently when they refused to support us fully in industrial action linked to pay talks (pre pandemic).
Unfortunately the union rep was run over and seriously injured by a forklift this morning 
Gavv8:
robroy:
Optimum:
…“now we’ve been told the small bonus that we get each year for not damaging the vehicles never existed according to our HR department.”May I suggest that you ask HR if they object to you referring this to your Union.
A pound to a pinch of [zb] they have no Union, or do not recognise them.
Anyway keep up, Unions are baaaaad.Unite are active and recognised although membership dropped recently when they refused to support us fully in industrial action linked to pay talks (pre pandemic).
Unfortunately the union rep was run over and seriously injured by a forklift this morning
Seems a bit of an extreme way to get rid of people? 
Sploom:
I dont place any emphisis on whether a company “values” me.The way I look at it,nobody gives a [zb] about me expect my own family and friends,so I dont worry if I get anything at Christmas or other gimmicks
I just work for the best company I can that offers the best money and conditions in the area,and if youve done that,at least you know you did your best with what skills you have to offer
I’m new to this, so not sure how valued I should feel?
I got a free ■■■■■ last night. [emoji319]
Seems to me that if no-one gets a hamper, or everyone gets a hamper, its OK. Xmas boxes are a bonus, not a right. If only some get one, and some dont, that is a sure fire way to put a nose out of joint.*
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Long service bonuses are also not a given, but having different standards for different employees, is again a source of discontent.
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a lot of this “just about had enough” feeling is down to the media putting out doom and gloom news 24-7 .I personally wont have it! Theres plenty to be happy n grateful for when you sit back and think about it .Dont mire yourself itll bring down your folks if you find things to moan about . Try and avoid Anyone who continually moans and if you cannot avoid them get rid of em!!
Optimum:
…“now we’ve been told the small bonus that we get each year for not damaging the vehicles never existed according to our HR department.”May I suggest that you ask HR if they object to you referring this to your Union.
Who do you refer HR manager to, when it comes to a Union complaint that aims to get rid of HR manager? 
Thats the problem with bonuses, they can be taken away as quickly as they’ve been given.
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rearaxle:
Thats the problem with bonuses, they can be taken away as quickly as they’ve been given.Sent from my SM-N976B using Tapatalk
^^^^^^^Post of the day.
Last year when fighting for a pay rise management instead offered a bonus scheme. It was a generous scheme but I wanted a permanent rise in wages as I knew a bonus can be taken away. But usual scenario…greedy drivers only saw the carrot dangling in front of them but couldnt see who was dangling the carrot!
I may be an old ■■■■ but the the job has gone downhill since the tachograph and other (spy ) stuff.Before this stuff you could even things up with a little bit here and there 
msgyorkie:
rearaxle:
Thats the problem with bonuses, they can be taken away as quickly as they’ve been given.Sent from my SM-N976B using Tapatalk
^^^^^^^Post of the day.
Last year when fighting for a pay rise management instead offered a bonus scheme. It was a generous scheme but I wanted a permanent rise in wages as I knew a bonus can be taken away. But usual scenario…greedy drivers only saw the carrot dangling in front of them but couldnt see who was dangling the carrot!
We just had the other way, they’ve taken away the bonus in exchange for a 10p hour rise. The rise over the year is less then the bonus used to be, but a poor performing year (take this year to come, maybe) and we are up, also it is guaranteed. It also helps when going forward they are offering percentage rises, but can you educate them? Nope. All you hear is “im going to be 200 down for the year” But you could be 500 down if they just take the bonus away at the drop of a hat…
Home delivery drivers have been balloted on strike action because of a supposed pay cut, nope, they are taking away a short term pay supplement or bonus if you will, that was an experiment to see if it helped retain/recruit drivers. It didnt so they are taking it away. Sorry, it ■■■■■ but it was only ever a trial bonus not a pay rise.
Get it on the hourly rate, not a bonus that is either unachievable or can be revoked at any time.
Are any of us in favour of “being shafted more gently” at the end of the day?
There’s rather too much of “Jam Tomorrow” and when we reach the proverbial 23:59hrs - suddenly it flips over into “Bring your own vaseline” instead…
Fuzrat:
msgyorkie:
rearaxle:
Thats the problem with bonuses, they can be taken away as quickly as they’ve been given.Sent from my SM-N976B using Tapatalk
^^^^^^^Post of the day.
Last year when fighting for a pay rise management instead offered a bonus scheme. It was a generous scheme but I wanted a permanent rise in wages as I knew a bonus can be taken away. But usual scenario…greedy drivers only saw the carrot dangling in front of them but couldnt see who was dangling the carrot!
We just had the other way, they’ve taken away the bonus in exchange for a 10p hour rise. The rise over the year is less then the bonus used to be, but a poor performing year (take this year to come, maybe) and we are up, also it is guaranteed. It also helps when going forward they are offering percentage rises, but can you educate them? Nope. All you hear is “im going to be 200 down for the year” But you could be 500 down if they just take the bonus away at the drop of a hat…
Home delivery drivers have been balloted on strike action because of a supposed pay cut, nope, they are taking away a short term pay supplement or bonus if you will, that was an experiment to see if it helped retain/recruit drivers. It didnt so they are taking it away. Sorry, it ■■■■■ but it was only ever a trial bonus not a pay rise.
Get it on the hourly rate, not a bonus that is either unachievable or can be revoked at any time.
It was the same situation years ago when it was the norm to get paid 40 hours then time and a half there on after,.with a pay raise more or less guaranteed every April.
So it got to about Wednesday when you got your basic, then for rest of week you were quids in, and it encouraged you to do a lot of overtime…kerching.
Then they decided we were getting paid too much, mostly because it was their own fault for cutting the rates to ribbons to compete with the likes of Stobarts at that time (around the late 80s?)
So they then offered a deal that they thought you couldn’t refuse,.a large raise on hourly rate…but same rate right through,
So the idiots among us,.as planned jumped in with both feet , whilst the rest of us saw what was going on, but were in the minority.
Then they stopped the annual pay raises until it got to the stage you were worse off, and the time and a half after 40 was consigned to history, to what we have now, either same rate right through, or time and a pound or something paid after 60 or similar crap.
Drivers ? …own worst enemies. 
always were always will be.
Gavv8:
Stanley Mitchell:
Gavv8:
I’ve got 20+ years in with the brown and yellow company from Devon that begins with G and I’ve just about had enough, moral is at rock bottom the transport office have all but given up being anywhere near professional and now we’ve been told the small bonus that we get each year for not damaging the vehicles never existed according to our HR department.
They’ve handed out the traditional Christmas hampers to pretty much everyone else in the depot but apparently don’t have enough for all the drivers, we’ve worked our assets off the past few years through some of the worst times I’ve known in road haulage and it all just feels like a boot in the nuts.
I know the company doesn’t owe us anything but they continually spout about how much they value their drivers on social media and it’s just garbage, they even gave a pretty feckless manager his 15 year long service award after telling the drivers ( several of whom have well over 15 years service) that they weren’t eligible until they’d done a further 15 years service.
If I could turn back the clock I’d do anything to avoid ever joining this company.Out of interest, which depot are you running out of ?
The subbies are about to get a kick in the proverbial`s according to a mate with a few on for them
Cullompton, I’ve heard things about the subbies too and about goodbye letters for some drivers based at a nearby operation run by ‘G’, looks like the big ship is taking on a list.
I was out with my mate last night who has a few on for GDL, and I was telling him about this conversation, and what you said about an “operation” run by GDL looking to jettison a few drivers not too far from Cully…
His question was…why don`t they re-deploy these drivers on other contracts, especially the pallet network job @ Cully, where they seem to be short of drivers ?
If you look at their website, there are loads of driving jobs [or were] going begging, why do they continue to “lose” drivers off a job & not move them across, or have these individuals been identified as “dead-wood” and not really wanted anywhere near anything in B&Y ? #askingforafriend
robroy:
It was the same situation years ago when it was the norm to get paid 40 hours then time and a half there on after,.with a pay raise more or less guaranteed every April.
So it got to about Wednesday when you got your basic, then for rest of week you were quids in, and it encouraged you to do a lot of overtime…kerching.Then they decided we were getting paid too much, mostly because it was their own fault for cutting the rates to ribbons to compete with the likes of Stobarts at that time (around the late 80s?)
So they then offered a deal that they thought you couldn’t refuse,.a large raise on hourly rate…but same rate right through,
So the idiots among us,.as planned jumped in with both feet , whilst the rest of us saw what was going on, but were in the minority.
Then they stopped the annual pay raises until it got to the stage you were worse off, and the time and a half after 40 was consigned to history, to what we have now, either same rate right through, or time and a pound or something paid after 60 or similar crap.
Drivers ? …own worst enemies.
It looks like the RMT guys have seen through this management ploy - which is to get them onto a rota that has them working Sundays and weekends which is not enhanced rate voluntary overtime.
So the good old time and a half which was accepted and around for donkeys is now replaced with - enhanced.
Neat trick, that - could be literally anything over standard rate - 3.92% for example.
There’s nothing that lowers morale quicker than being made to feel a mug.
In an industry that expects a minimum 50 hour week out of you, no one should be needing or wanting to work any more hours on top. I have turned down 150 quid a night bonuses to get drivers to work extra shifts in Dec. 5 nights and 50 hours a week is more.rhan enough for me thanks.
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simcor:
In an industry that expects a minimum 50 hour week out of you, no one should be needing or wanting to work any more hours on top. I have turned down 150 quid a night bonuses to get drivers to work extra shifts in Dec. 5 nights and 50 hours a week is more.rhan enough for me thanks.Sent from my CPH2173 using Tapatalk
The best contracts “full time” to hold out for - are therefore those with as few contracted hours as possible - making more room for stacks of overtime on top…
Thus was the old creed of the “Docket Kings”…
It didn’t matter much if the “Multiple” dropped a bit (within reason) as if you do 60 hours a week on a 40 hour contract, you’ve done 20 hours overtime that even at time and a quarter rather than time and a half - meant you were being paid for 65 hours at whatever base hourly rate you got…
Gotta be better than working 60 hours and only getting paid 60 hours eh? AND being compelled to work that many hours… AND strangely not getting paid 60 hours when you take 5 12 hour shifts off as “paid holiday” at so many places…
Personally, shifts of 12+ hours would seem the best structure, as there is a legal limit of 15 hours and only three times a week for that should your job overtun on a regular basis…
It’s surely nice to get a short shift ahead of a weekend for many - because you’ve used up all your 15 hour shifts by Wednesday each week?
Winseer:
simcor:
In an industry that expects a minimum 50 hour week out of you, no one should be needing or wanting to work any more hours on top. I have turned down 150 quid a night bonuses to get drivers to work extra shifts in Dec. 5 nights and 50 hours a week is more.rhan enough for me thanks.Sent from my CPH2173 using Tapatalk
The best contracts “full time” to hold out for - are therefore those with as few contracted hours as possible - making more room for stacks of overtime on top…
Thus was the old creed of the “Docket Kings”…
It didn’t matter much if the “Multiple” dropped a bit (within reason) as if you do 60 hours a week on a 40 hour contract, you’ve done 20 hours overtime that even at time and a quarter rather than time and a half - meant you were being paid for 65 hours at whatever base hourly rate you got…Gotta be better than working 60 hours and only getting paid 60 hours eh? AND being compelled to work that many hours… AND strangely not getting paid 60 hours when you take 5 12 hour shifts off as “paid holiday” at so many places…
Personally, shifts of 12+ hours would seem the best structure, as there is a legal limit of 15 hours and only three times a week for that should your job overtun on a regular basis…
It’s surely nice to get a short shift ahead of a weekend for many - because you’ve used up all your 15 hour shifts by Wednesday each week?
Very few truck driving jobs exist these days for less than 5 days or nights or 50 hours a week, that pay half decent money, and of those most mean warning way more than 50 hours a week. Some do 4 on 4 off still mind, but that often means working premium shifts at less than premium money as usual apart from some exceptions.
Get paid for 10 hours even when I do less.
I’m happy with my lot, do 50 ish a week give or take, but mostly 10 or less hours a day. Her a reasonable wage for it as well. Not the best bit nor the worst.
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SWEDISH BLUE:
The brown and yellow company are the same as the blue brigade just a little bit further up the M5. Both started by Daddy and were great. Now Son’s are running them and both have lost the plot.
You might as well say keedwells they all pi— S in the same pot