robroy:
^^^^^^
I think you misunderstand me, not a problem with outward facing cameras, in fact I’m all for them.
I just think the dual ones with the inward facing are a bit if a liberty, those are the ones that implicate the driver more times than they exonerate them.
So which bit is so wrong - the driver doing the naughty things or the camera recording it?
Having recently looked at some video of veh reversing (badly) from minor onto a main road, having a prang, yet they spent the whole time with one hand on the wheel, the other sending texts, and no eyes on the mirrors!
What is wrong, is the way some operators manage and deal with that incab cameras.
robroy:
^^^^^^
I think you misunderstand me, not a problem with outward facing cameras, in fact I’m all for them.
I just think the dual ones with the inward facing are a bit if a liberty, those are the ones that implicate the driver more times than they exonerate them.
So which bit is so wrong - the driver doing the naughty things or the camera recording it?
Having recently looked at some video of veh reversing (badly) from minor onto a main road, having a prang, yet they spent the whole time with one hand on the wheel, the other sending texts, and no eyes on the mirrors!
What is wrong, is the way some operators manage and deal with that incab cameras.
Good post.
Cameras are a tool… (insert your own joke here)
They can we well or badly used.
robroy:
those are the ones that implicate the driver more times than they exonerate them.
Only implicating the driver if they are in the wrong though.
If they arent playing with their phone, or peeling the spuds, instead of driving, the camera will show that. The car driver and passengers who all swear blind you were reading "The Sun" or "Bumsn`■■■■ Weeky" instead of looking at the road will be proven liars.
You hear about the times a driver is caught out by cameras because that is news, you dont hear about the times they clear them, because "Lorry Driver drives OK" doesnt make it to the front page.
Ok mate, just you carry on believing what they tell you…‘‘If you aint doing anything wrong you’ve nothing to worry about’’… as the brainwashed tell us .
As I said a long noisy yawn could be quite easily (and very conveniently) construed as a driver carrying on driving when he needed to stop, but chose to carry on and ‘‘cause’’ an accident, … or me taking a sip from a Costa whilst still having both eyes on the road, in full control (whatever they say or you chose to believe) but at the same time some dork runs into me, no relavance to the accident in ‘‘real world’’ but you can sure as hell bet they will go all out to pin it on me…because I was ‘‘in the wrong’’ as you say.
In either case without a camera it would not be conveniently interpreted as the driver at fault.
But hey…‘‘They are there to protect us’’ ‘‘they’’ tell us , so there you go.
So.as I say Frangers,.carry on conforming with ’ The rules’’ and believing what they tell you in their hidden agendas.
Well, if your job doesn`t allow you 5 or 10 minutes to finish your coffee before dashing off, I feel for you, mate.
If you are driving well with no distractions the camera will show that.
If you “choose to believe” that the whole world is a massive conspiracy to trap the innocent driver, than you carry on believing what all of those YouTubers tell you.
You tubers??
Wtf are you rambling on about exactly mate. …yet ANOTHER one of your compulsive obsesions with all the digging you do on there for tedious links maybe?
Don’t ‘‘feel for me’’ either, I choose and enjoy a coffee whilst driving despite all the ott alarmist objections from people like yourself.
robroy:
^^^^^^
I think you misunderstand me, not a problem with outward facing cameras, in fact I’m all for them.
I just think the dual ones with the inward facing are a bit if a liberty, those are the ones that implicate the driver more times than they exonerate them.
So which bit is so wrong - the driver doing the naughty things or the camera recording it?
Having recently looked at some video of veh reversing (badly) from minor onto a main road, having a prang, yet they spent the whole time with one hand on the wheel, the other sending texts, and no eyes on the mirrors!
What is wrong, is the way some operators manage and deal with that incab cameras.
If you re happy with it bud,.absolutely nothing…nice to see you using an extreme example to hammer home your point though.
You…driver causing mayhem by dangerously and recklessly reversing on a main road/texting/not using mirrors.
Me…Sipping from a cup of coffee.
Right.
robroy:
Don’t ‘‘feel for me’’ either, I choose and enjoy a coffee whilst driving despite all the ott alarmist objections from people like yourself.
Made me chuckle with that comment. I have had some funny looks at me whilst lorries passing me on their limiters and starting on an upward hill staring in at me, I hold my coffee cup up to them and cheekily give them a smile.
robroy:
Don’t ‘‘feel for me’’ either, I choose and enjoy a coffee whilst driving despite all the ott alarmist objections from people like yourself.
Made me chuckle with that comment. I have had some funny looks at me whilst lorries passing me on their limiters and starting on an upward hill staring in at me, I hold my coffee cup up to them and cheekily give them a smile.
I ain’t as blatant as you, I’m more discreet, I try and hide it so as not to upset the snowflakes too much…(have you read some of the comments on this forum? … or get spotted by the passing Old Bill.
Mystery Action:
Is it true that some insurance companies insist on in cab cameras?
Or is it just an excuse so drivers can be spied on?
Absolutely 100% true. Although not many to be honest. They may mandate in on those fleets that have a high claims frequency or are starting to deteriorate. From an insurance perspective we’re not interested on spying on drivers, just want the evidence to fight your corner as all too often the (HGV) driver is to blame when they are not at fault.
Maybe you ain’t interested in ‘spying on drivers’ fair enough, but the operators sure as hell are, and they usually put the same positive spin on it as what you have stated…‘‘To protect the driver’’ followed by a (usually made up ) example of Joe Bloggs who was found innocent and exonerated by his driver facing camera…aye right., which then goes on to be repeated and regurgitated by the ‘yes men’ and the serial conformists in the job.
For every innocent Joe Bloggs, how many have been implicated, and I ain’t on about the few isolated cases of telephone/video use carnage, those kers deserve all they get, but maybe some poor [zb] filmed having a coffee, or a long noisy yawn, then 5 mins later having a crash which was more than likely unconnected…but he was ‘‘Driving Tired’’.
I know it ain’t your bag mate as an insurance bod, but I’m just stating facts and reality here to balance up your last statement.
Cheers…
That’s an interesting angle tbf and immensely frustrating. I guess in some businesses there are the middle yes men that are just interested in pushing their chests out. I don’t have time for that. If there’s footage that will help then great, if there is footage that will hinder then it needs to be managed properly. Believe it or not there has been significant wins for the haulier and insurer with camera footage. Not just in liability disputes but we caught a major fraud gang when they staged an accident. 8 people are serving significant time as a result of it, those people worked at a car hire company, scrap yard, solicitors and an insurance claims dept. They were all in on it. A multi million pound set-up targeting HGV’s. That was a good day when they were caught. The trouble is for every one caught there are probably another 50 getting away with it
You mention the occupations of 8 people serving time for fraud and strangely enough driver isn’t one of them.
You did mention insurance workers though, so perhaps you wouldn’t mind a camera fixed on you throughout your working day, including breaks, and see how you like it.
Mystery Action:
You mention the occupations of 8 people serving time for fraud and strangely enough driver isn’t one of them.
You did mention insurance workers though, so perhaps you wouldn’t mind a camera fixed on you throughout your working day, including breaks, and see how you like it.
Lots of offices have cameras.
But even more relevantly, office workers often have records kept of all their online activity. They don`t need to have cameras in their office or home because, if needed, every key stroke can be seen.
There isnt an army of watchers overseeing it all, just as there shouldnt be an army sitting watching every second of a driver`s day, but it is all there if needed.
Monitors and cameras are tools.
I don`t defend their misuse, but it is foolish to condemn them totally because some abuse them.
Mystery Action:
You mention the occupations of 8 people serving time for fraud and strangely enough driver isn’t one of them.
You did mention insurance workers though, so perhaps you wouldn’t mind a camera fixed on you throughout your working day, including breaks, and see how you like it.
Lots of offices have cameras.
But even more relevantly, office workers often have records kept of all their online activity. They don`t need to have cameras in their office or home because, if needed, every key stroke can be seen.
There isnt an army of watchers overseeing it all, just as there shouldnt be an army sitting watching every second of a driver`s day, but it is all there if needed.
Monitors and cameras are tools.
I don`t defend their misuse, but it is foolish to condemn them totally because some abuse them.
Similarly, every ‘key stroke’ a driver makes is recorded though tachograph, microlise and outside cameras. I believe these provide more than enough evidence without the driver being under full time surveillance.
There’s maybe not an army of watchers but I know of drivers who have been pulled up for smoking a ■■■ or drinking a coffee even when no incident had occurred, so these films are being routinely looked at.
I’m more discreet, I try and hide it so as not to upset the snowflakes too much…(have you read some of the comments on this forum? 
