Kerragy:
Does anyone think that it is inevitable that we will be reapplying for membership in the future given that the younger section of the population seem to be overwhelmingly pro the EU? Or do you think that the UK is going to experience such a boom over the next 10 - 20 years that it will change their minds?
It’s not an ‘over whelming’ section of any of the population that are pro EU.It’s more like just a large proportion of the Socialist vote,that sees an advantage in the EU federal government system to its undemocratic aims in the infiltration and takeover of western europe,is made up of naive indoctrinated immature ‘younger’ people.IE they aren’t pro EU they are pro EU Federal Soviet style government.Bearing in mind that I’m a leave voter but would be even happier to remain in a ‘Confederal’ Europe in which the MEP’s hold the sovereign supreme right to govern along their own national interest lines.
Carryfast: Are you seriously telling me that the Corbynistas are Putin and Kingpin lovers? - They are SUPPOSED to be - but they are everything BUT that.
They are socalists with Momentum providing an Orwellian bent to the whole thing. They seek power for power’s sake. Power is the ends - not the means.
Once in power, they will get rid of those that have just lost power to them.
…That would involve accelerating the politically correct decline of Western Civilization, with factions like ISIS taking advantage of our own Trojan Horse of social engineering among us.
Once we’re beaten from without, our enemies can discard with Momentum and it’s “Nationalist Socialist” creed very akin to Himmler’s branding of the ■■■■ party - and attack us merely for being “infidels in their promised land”.
Look at what the Israelites did to the Palestinians in that regard… History repeats itself as always.
Every time someone gets close to exposing the truth, and actually educating the wider public - the whole process of “whistle blowing” on the issues - gets branded as “racism” or “anti semitism” or anything other than what it really is - Labour have let the enemy through the gate, and are losing control of their own party via a weak fool who has no guile to see what’s happening right under his nose. 
Winseer:
Carryfast: Are you seriously telling me that the Corbynistas are Putin and Kingpin lovers? - They are SUPPOSED to be - but they are everything BUT that.
They are socalists with Momentum providing an Orwellian bent to the whole thing. They seek power for power’s sake. Power is the ends - not the means.
Once in power, they will get rid of those that have just lost power to them.
…That would involve accelerating the politically correct decline of Western Civilization, with factions like ISIS taking advantage of our own Trojan Horse of social engineering among us.
Once we’re beaten from without, our enemies can discard with Momentum and it’s “Nationalist Socialist” creed very akin to Himmler’s branding of the ■■■■ party - and attack us merely for being “infidels in their promised land”.
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Look at what the Israelites did to the Palestinians in that regard… History repeats itself as always.
Every time someone gets close to exposing the truth, and actually educating the wider public - the whole process of “whistle blowing” on the issues - gets branded as “racism” or “anti semitism” or anything other than what it really is - Labour have let the enemy through the gate, and are losing control of their own party via a weak fool who has no guile to see what’s happening right under his nose.
That’s more or less the end game that I’ve described.Socialist/Islamic alliance takeover of Europe.As for Putin as I’ve said his closeness to Merkel suggests that nothing’s changed in the link between KGB,Stasi and Socialist takeover along those lines.On that note don’t believe any diversionary ideas that Corbyn and momentum don’t identify with that ideology.With at least Rjan having expressed a sympathetic line regarding the old Soviet system together with support for Corbyn.In the case of the EU it’s the same centralised system of Federal government that transcends and removes the sovereignty of the nation state that attracts them.Just as Altiero Spinelli intended.Which is why Corbyn has clearly gone for the remain agenda.
On that note trust me this isn’t the type of greeting expected of anyone who despises everything that Chinese Communism stands for.
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… “Other” communist regimes are not “Momentum’s” pretend-communist regimes that are actually Nazism dressed in red clothing. 
Atheists tend to take a “tool to be used by government” view when it comes down to popular religion among the masses.
Winseer:
… “Other” communist regimes are not “Momentum’s” pretend-communist regimes that are actually Nazism dressed in red clothing.
Atheists tend to take a “tool to be used by government” view when it comes down to popular religion among the masses.
As I said Nazism is just another form of Socialism.In this case the key marker being the same ideological trait for centralised,authoritarian,undemocratic,dictatorial government that despises the idea of self determination and the nation state.
Carryfast:
Kerragy:
Does anyone think that it is inevitable that we will be reapplying for membership in the future given that the younger section of the population seem to be overwhelmingly pro the EU? Or do you think that the UK is going to experience such a boom over the next 10 - 20 years that it will change their minds?
It’s not an ‘over whelming’ section of any of the population that are pro EU.It’s more like just a large proportion of the Socialist vote,that sees an advantage in the EU federal government system to its undemocratic aims in the infiltration and takeover of western europe,is made up of naive indoctrinated immature ‘younger’ people.IE they aren’t pro EU they are pro EU Federal Soviet style government.Bearing in mind that I’m a leave voter but would be even happier to remain in a ‘Confederal’ Europe in which the MEP’s hold the sovereign supreme right to govern along their own national interest lines.
I bet you’re sorry you asked! 
It’s going to take 3-5 years to properly split from the EU, we (any sensible person) is going to evaluate what it’s like out, and by then who the ■■■■ knows whether the EU even still exists…
Evil8Beezle:
It’s going to take 3-5 years to properly split from the EU, we (any sensible person) is going to evaluate what it’s like out, and by then who the [zb] knows whether the EU even still exists…
EU membership isn’t something that can be a case of partly in and partly out.We’re out from the moment we withdraw our MEP’s from the EU parliament and we aren’t a contributor to the EU budget which realistically means on the discharge date of article 50 around 2 years after it’s invoked.Or preferably by forgetting all about article 50 and just walking away.On that note joining was effectively an overnight process from being a non EU member to being a member state after the decision to join had been passed by parliament.So why the big deal in the case of secession.
As for whether the EU would exist after that who cares.Which just leaves the question of a change to a Confederal Constitution which would be the game changer that Cameron and Farage would have been expected to go for regarding so called meaningful ‘reform’.But which for ‘some’ reason neither even seemed to want to put on the table.
Following today’s events in Munich - it might now be the case that the EU dissolves those laws it has that allow terrorists free reign in the entire EU mainland.
The EU laws do not work. People are dying. Time for ALL the governments of the EU to get tough, crack down, and deal with this problem of “Free Movement” - before it kills us all.
There is no argument for “it will take years to leave” - all that’s stopping us is a lack of political will - despite the people already giving mandates for action.
Politicians need to get off their arses and get the job done - or the public will vote a right-wing government in to do it for them instead.
Your call incumbents! 
Although most of us would of already known this http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/22/hollande-confirms-border-controls-will-stay-calais/
It’s yet another scare story by the remain side and the calais mayor debunked officially
And over in Italy Which is self inflicted
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/22/italy-fears-calais-style-migrant-camps/
Interesting bbc.co.uk/news/business-36854272
The poles export one billion euro per years worth of people to the UK
Quote"With close to a million Poles living and working in the UK, and sending back more than a billion euros each year, "
It’s about time everybody lost the hang up about “vital access to the single market”. It’s the only weapon in the eu armoury, and the draw backs to accessing it are all the reasons we want out. If we dropped that, they’d be more worried and willing to treat us like the usa, rather than trying to button hole us like Norway
chrisdalott:
Interesting bbc.co.uk/news/business-36854272
The poles export one billion euro per years worth of people to the UK
Quote"With close to a million Poles living and working in the UK, and sending back more than a billion euros each year, "
the poles are just a greedy bunch of people who are milking our lands to feather there own nests back home. they dont care about any British people who they might of taken a job from or any feelings towards the Brits facing lower and lower wages as for them there making a killing as they earn 4 times there yearly wages over here.
if they must come here to work then there should be a rule they will be paid the same rates as they would get in there home land.
desypete:
chrisdalott:
Interesting bbc.co.uk/news/business-36854272
The poles export one billion euro per years worth of people to the UK
Quote"With close to a million Poles living and working in the UK, and sending back more than a billion euros each year, "
the poles are just a greedy bunch of people who are milking our lands to feather there own nests back home. they dont care about any British people who they might of taken a job from or any feelings towards the Brits facing lower and lower wages as for them there making a killing as they earn 4 times there yearly wages over here.
if they must come here to work then there should be a rule they will be paid the same rates as they would get in there home land.
Yes thats what they keep on repeating like a scratched record ,But Mr Farage says that there are a lot of non EU countries have single market trade deals without loosing their sovereignty or them agreeing to free movement of people, the single market for those countries is a trade deal and nothing else, of course this wouldn’t be tarrif free, or would it:? the corrupt eu and it’s media propaganda machine media isn’t going to tell us the truth
So if that is the case then our pro EU politicians need to press for this type of deal, or walk away and go the wto route, which is more work for them,
Evil8Beezle:
Carryfast:
Kerragy:
Does anyone think that it is inevitable that we will be reapplying for membership in the future given that the younger section of the population seem to be overwhelmingly pro the EU? Or do you think that the UK is going to experience such a boom over the next 10 - 20 years that it will change their minds?
It’s not an ‘over whelming’ section of any of the population that are pro EU.It’s more like just a large proportion of the Socialist vote,that sees an advantage in the EU federal government system to its undemocratic aims in the infiltration and takeover of western europe,is made up of naive indoctrinated immature ‘younger’ people.IE they aren’t pro EU they are pro EU Federal Soviet style government.Bearing in mind that I’m a leave voter but would be even happier to remain in a ‘Confederal’ Europe in which the MEP’s hold the sovereign supreme right to govern along their own national interest lines.
I bet you’re sorry you asked!
It’s going to take 3-5 years to properly split from the EU, we (any sensible person) is going to evaluate what it’s like out, and by then who the [zb] knows whether the EU even still exists…
i think your right on one point and that is in 3 to 5 years the eu will not exist any more as more countries will also vote to leave the eu its already dead now no matter how much nosie is being made by the powers that be its simply failed, the free movement of people was the last straw along with all there silly rules and regs they have imposed on us for way to long
as for the uk we should be out by the end of the year or the start of the new year, if the Muslims keep on doing what there doing i think there will be civil war in this country before we get to the end of the year so its up to the political correct lot to see and act fast before the news reports a mosque being attacked by a run away truck or someone copies there attack style but turned it on the Muslims themselves so they get the message loud and clear anything they can do we can do as well.
donald trump is going to be the key to it all if you think the brexit vote has had an impact then it will be very small fry indeed if trump wins, as street cred will be given to standing up for our own people and the minority of bleeding hearts will be drowned out by a lot more than 17 million votes as the people are getting really fed up of the outrages that are taking place daily and when people feel pressured they will react the dont think about the pound, they dont think about the money in the bank or next weeks holiday, as all they will think is who will be next when will it be one of our own kids or family members who pay with there life for this multicultural madness that is nothing more than a slow take over
Kerragy:
Does anyone think that it is inevitable that we will be reapplying for membership in the future given that the younger section of the population seem to be overwhelmingly pro the EU? Or do you think that the UK is going to experience such a boom over the next 10 - 20 years that it will change their minds?
Young people don’t understand the concept of “who pays”. They see it raining crumbs upon them, as they are standing right under the EU table.
Trouble is, - it was laid with the big spread at the older generation’s British expense… The fact that there’s no jobs for the young, despite them having degrees - the young blame on the older generation being reticent about Europe rather than the truth - that the EU isn’t actually of any good to them.
When I was young and a school leaver - I didn’t follow economics or politics at all. I thought that my seven ‘O’ levels were worth something.
The Chatham Dockyard closed down the same year I left school, and after being turned down by all three armed forces for the “regular” jobs - I was eventually offered in for the TAs in Bomb Disposal, where I ended up being a 9 year reservist. No real job though!
I wish I had studied the background like I have done since then - BEFORE I left school, and burned my bridges.
If I’d had any grasp of politics and ecomics at all - there’s no way I would even have contemplated leaving school in the middle of a bloody recession and with the biggest local employer shut-down already on the cards FFS!
Winseer:
Kerragy:
Does anyone think that it is inevitable that we will be reapplying for membership in the future given that the younger section of the population seem to be overwhelmingly pro the EU? Or do you think that the UK is going to experience such a boom over the next 10 - 20 years that it will change their minds?
Young people don’t understand the concept of “who pays”. They see it raining crumbs upon them, as they are standing right under the EU table.
Trouble is, - it was laid with the big spread at the older generation’s British expense… The fact that there’s no jobs for the young, despite them having degrees - the young blame on the older generation being reticent about Europe rather than the truth - that the EU isn’t actually of any good to them.
When I was young and a school leaver - I didn’t follow economics or politics at all. I thought that my seven ‘O’ levels were worth something.
The Chatham Dockyard closed down the same year I left school, and after being turned down by all three armed forces for the “regular” jobs - I was eventually offered in for the TAs in Bomb Disposal, where I ended up being a 9 year reservist. No real job though!
I wish I had studied the background like I have done since then - BEFORE I left school, and burned my bridges.
If I’d had any grasp of politics and ecomics at all - there’s no way I would even have contemplated leaving school in the middle of a bloody recession and with the biggest local employer shut-down already on the cards FFS!
your bang on again the young dont foot the bills mummy and daddy do or in my case daddy foots the bills while the kids are to busy playing online games and chatting to all there mates around the world without ever going outside
my kids will not leave home one is 29 the other is 20 as its cheap for them to stay with me there protected from the outside world thanks to me being a soft touch, and a dare say many kids of that age are living the same way
they will be lucky if they have a mum and dad who have a home to leave them and a few quid when they die off
but there are alot more kids who will not be in that position and never be in a position to be able to leave there own kids when they have them anything at all
let those kids who wish to vote to remain have to live on there own, work and pay the bills so they get a real taste of what life is really like, they will soon learn they can not do 8 hours a day and spend there time playing games or blowing there money on the latest this or that
life would indeed change for them and they would soon wish to vote out to try to improve things for themselves and for there own kids of the future
desypete:
donald trump is going to be the key to it all if you think the brexit vote has had an impact then it will be very small fry indeed if trump wins, as street cred will be given to standing up for our own people and the minority of bleeding hearts will be drowned out
^ This.
That would be a game changer in US foreign policy in which he’s got no European Federal agenda and sees the Nation State and Nationalism as the solution in Europe not the problem.Unlike Obama who wants to see a Eurasian Federation.Which leaves the question of what’s going on in Turkey.
Carryfast:
desypete:
donald trump is going to be the key to it all if you think the brexit vote has had an impact then it will be very small fry indeed if trump wins, as street cred will be given to standing up for our own people and the minority of bleeding hearts will be drowned out
^ This.
That would be a game changer in US foreign policy in which he’s got no European Federal agenda and sees the Nation State and Nationalism as the solution in Europe not the problem.Unlike Obama who wants to see a Eurasian Federation.Which leaves the question of what’s going on in Turkey.
well i dont wish to state the bloody obvious here about the differences between trump and obama ? its hardly surprising obama supports anything to do with free movement of ethnics into other country but his own.
obama and Diane abbot are very good for there own kind of the people. same as trump is very good for his own kind of people, not that i am suggesting there is anything racist going on but it does seem to manifest itself in all sorts of situations
now the usa would never allow free movement of people and if trump does win he will do for the usa something that i had hoped farage would of been doing for us in the uk
the brexit vote should of been a bit more drastic for my money but i had to settle for the doors to be closed as a starting point, but trump has taken the bull by the horns and is going for the jugular right from the start which i really admire him for even if it is very risky but one thing that has come out of it is the huge level of support there is for the man who was once written off by all who laughed at the idea this man could even make it to be standing for president
but forget about trump or the rest of them its the people who are voting that is speaking out loud and clear and to those who are political correct they dont like what they are hearing but they have to face it that its the reality of the situation
the people are speaking thorough trump and its the same message that we gave our own political correct, enough is enough
I reckon if Trump wins - we’ll have better relations with Russia, the Islamic extremists won’t know what’s hit them, and Ukraine + Turkey can go back to being nothing again, rather than getting pumped up like the Borgias on Steroids.
Putin has already offered to be a bit part of a major coalition to crush ISIS, rather than get told “you can’t, 'cos Raqqa and Bengazi have innocent people in them”.
Perhaps we should remind ourselves of the run-up to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah here. 
Winseer:
I reckon if Trump wins - we’ll have better relations with Russia, the Islamic extremists won’t know what’s hit them, and Ukraine + Turkey can go back to being nothing again, rather than getting pumped up like the Borgias on Steroids.
Putin has already offered to be a bit part of a major coalition to crush ISIS, rather than get told “you can’t, 'cos Raqqa and Bengazi have innocent people in them”.
Perhaps we should remind ourselves of the run-up to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah here.
Nick Ferrari described it as death of a thousand paper cuts, and he’s bang on. It’s about time the liberal voices were drowned out by the sound of blanket bombs*
*Isis not the liberals 
