We must never wish for this - but I have a horrible feeling that it would take a “successful” France-style terror attack - to get the two women Rudd and her backseat driver May to realize that “playing the slow game with our lives on the line” is WRONG. 
tommy t:
Winseer:
We really need to grow a pair here, and stop fearing “consequences” of Brexit. OTHER countries are looking at Britain to be the trailblazer here - and show them all leadership in “how to get away from an overcontrolling faceless and wasting political power”Problem is ,sharia isn’t for giving us brexit, she therefore needs removing from office, she won’t go willingly so what do we do? the longer we delay the more it’s costing us financially and the more eu migrants are going to land here, this as well as those illegal muslim invaders from places like calais with possible Islam extremists even isis foot soldiers the truth is with no ID we do not know who they are , but the EU and it bs regulations prevents us from deporting them , this left wing extremist bonanza has to end and soon, either our government do it or the people will, then they will see real racism and how ugly it can get
Firstly plenty of other EU states all have their own Nationalist movements and more importantly probably more effective than the fat free Nationalist lite UKIP.
While getting Nationalist recognised as not being ■■■■ and removing the Socialists self appointed monopoly of the so called ‘left’ as part of that and continuing with the democratic process from the current moral high ground of the referendum vote.Would be far more productive.
Than playing into the hands of the Socialists by joining those zb wits on the streets,thereby removing all credibility from the Brexit/Nationalist cause and leaving the Cons in control.
I think this should be renamed ‘the nutjobs’ thread. Most of you are completely nuts!
As you were.
Carryfast:
Rjan:
But other EU nations also have democratic mandates,Exactly ‘what’ ‘law’ and what law does the Brexit manifesto need the permission of other EU states to withdraw from as a non EU member state.
It’s not always about needing permission, but about what consequences will flow from our actions (particularly if other nations adopt the same beggar-thy-neighbour thinking).
We can invoke article 50 without permission and leave, but the only access we will then have to the EU single market is with Europe’s permission. They won’t try to exclude us on principle (any more so than they exclude any other nation from trading with them on principle), but they will still impose tariffs which will extract a similar toll as our EU membership fees, so that we cannot undercut mainland European businesses by flouting rules which they have to comply with and saving costs that they still have to pay.
If we abolish paid holidays, for example, to try and make British goods cheaper than German goods, they’ll impose a tariff on us which restores the cost back to its old level, so that German goods are not undercut in that way. The only difference is that the “paid holiday” element of the price will now go to the Germans in the form of tariffs, instead of to British workers as wages.
Also, if we strike new trade deals with the rest of the world, then Europe is in no worse a position to do the same. There is no one we can strike a deal with, which they cannot. If we strike a deal with China to get products cheaper than we buy them from Germany, for example, then Germany will strike a deal with China to get products cheaper than they currently buy from Britain.
The only real winner in that race to the bottom is the Chinese - not the workers in either Britain or Germany. Maybe the bosses in Britain and Germany might win, because it helps them fight a class war against workers, and that’s why Ukip is led and bankrolled by financiers.
Rjan:
Carryfast:
Rjan:
But other EU nations also have democratic mandates,Exactly ‘what’ ‘law’ and what law does the Brexit manifesto need the permission of other EU states to withdraw from as a non EU member state.
It’s not always about needing permission, but about what consequences will flow from our actions (particularly if other nations adopt the same beggar-thy-neighbour thinking).
We can invoke article 50 without permission and leave, but the only access we will then have to the EU single market is with Europe’s permission. They won’t try to exclude us on principle (any more so than they exclude any other nation from trading with them on principle), but they will still impose tariffs which will extract a similar toll as our EU membership fees, so that we cannot undercut mainland European businesses by flouting rules which they have to comply with and saving costs that they still have to pay.
If we abolish paid holidays, for example, to try and make British goods cheaper than German goods, they’ll impose a tariff on us which restores the cost back to its old level, so that German goods are not undercut in that way. The only difference is that the “paid holiday” element of the price will now go to the Germans in the form of tariffs, instead of to British workers as wages.
Also, if we strike new trade deals with the rest of the world, then Europe is in no worse a position to do the same. There is no one we can strike a deal with, which they cannot. If we strike a deal with China to get products cheaper than we buy them from Germany, for example, then Germany will strike a deal with China to get products cheaper than they currently buy from Britain.
The only real winner in that race to the bottom is the Chinese - not the workers in either Britain or Germany. Maybe the bosses in Britain and Germany might win, because it helps them fight a class war against workers, and that’s why Ukip is led and bankrolled by financiers.
To be fair we don’t see German steel workers calling for a reduction in German steel making capacity to allow the Brits to suffer less cuts for just one example.We also don’t see Juncker calling for/imposing a total ban on Chinese steel imports or at least the type of tarrifs that the US has imposed.
While what you’re describing is the imposition of a trade war,for the crime of secession which stops the import of cheap east euro labour.Which from our point of view being a net importer we can’t lose anyway and would actually increase jobs here.So remind us again how is Socialist Europhile agenda good for Brit workers.Bearing in mind that Europe is already flooded with cheap Chinese imports anyway.While the argument is about a Europe in which the idea of the Nation State isn’t allowed to be wiped out by dodgy Socialist ideology.
While Farage’s credentials are no worse,probably better,in that regard than Corbyn’s.
Winseer:
We must never wish for this - but I have a horrible feeling that it would take a “successful” France-style terror attack - to get the two women Rudd and her backseat driver May to realize that “playing the slow game with our lives on the line” is WRONG.
even then ,i would have my doubts if it would cause them to get their fingers out 
and get us out of the EU as the muslim invaders AKA ISIS can do no wrong , 
Carryfast:
Rjan:
Carryfast:
Rjan:
But other EU nations also have democratic mandates,Exactly ‘what’ ‘law’ and what law does the Brexit manifesto need the permission of other EU states to withdraw from as a non EU member state.
It’s not always about needing permission, but about what consequences will flow from our actions (particularly if other nations adopt the same beggar-thy-neighbour thinking).
We can invoke article 50 without permission and leave, but the only access we will then have to the EU single market is with Europe’s permission. They won’t try to exclude us on principle (any more so than they exclude any other nation from trading with them on principle), but they will still impose tariffs which will extract a similar toll as our EU membership fees, so that we cannot undercut mainland European businesses by flouting rules which they have to comply with and saving costs that they still have to pay.
If we abolish paid holidays, for example, to try and make British goods cheaper than German goods, they’ll impose a tariff on us which restores the cost back to its old level, so that German goods are not undercut in that way. The only difference is that the “paid holiday” element of the price will now go to the Germans in the form of tariffs, instead of to British workers as wages.
Also, if we strike new trade deals with the rest of the world, then Europe is in no worse a position to do the same. There is no one we can strike a deal with, which they cannot. If we strike a deal with China to get products cheaper than we buy them from Germany, for example, then Germany will strike a deal with China to get products cheaper than they currently buy from Britain.
The only real winner in that race to the bottom is the Chinese - not the workers in either Britain or Germany. Maybe the bosses in Britain and Germany might win, because it helps them fight a class war against workers, and that’s why Ukip is led and bankrolled by financiers.
To be fair we don’t see German steel workers calling for a reduction in German steel making capacity to allow the Brits to suffer less cuts for just one example.We also don’t see Juncker calling for/imposing a total ban on Chinese steel imports or at least the type of tarrifs that the US has imposed.
While what you’re describing is the imposition of a trade war,for the crime of secession which stops the import of cheap east euro labour.Which from our point of view being a net importer we can’t lose anyway and would actually increase jobs here.So remind us again how is Socialist Europhile agenda good for Brit workers.Bearing in mind that Europe is already flooded with cheap Chinese imports anyway.While the argument is about a Europe in which the idea of the Nation State isn’t allowed to be wiped out by dodgy Socialist ideology.
While Farage’s credentials are no worse,probably better,in that regard than Corbyn’s.
Farage says he may return in 2020 for the GE if we ain’t out by then ■■? thats far too long to have to wait http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/691728/Nigel-Farage-to-tour-Europe-in-push-for-Brexit-independence-from-European-Union
and this tool wins this weeks prize of ■■■■ of the week http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/21/europe-open-borders-economic-migrants/
Maybe we should quit the UN as well especially with cretins like sachs making comments like that
Winseer:
My arguments are things for our elected POLITICIANS to do, - and of course those other immigrants that have been here a while working for government departmets that have integrated enough to be on “our” side, rather than the next uncle pretending to be from Syria or whatever. There are plenty of people working as interpreters of say, Syrian extraction - that’ll soon tell you that “Hey that guy ain’t no Muslim brother - he don’t even sound like he’s from Syria!”
I think some people over-estimate how many people have just come over on a boat.
Also even the “next Uncle from Syria” types who are recent arrivals, may be fairly well liked by his family, and he may have come here precisely to preserve his life and limb as a result of the destabilisation caused by incoherent Western intervention.
It’s not going to win us any friends for the Great British Nation amongst those who have such relatives - it’s like bombing the Costa Del Sol until civil society collapses, and then saying the British ex-pats there cannot return here. I know it’s not a perfect analogy because ex-pats are British to begin with, but it picks at an intuition that most Brits would be highly concerned if the government wouldn’t let their relatives join them to escape a warzone (and to boot that the British government had helped create the warzone).
Empthasis on “Guy” there. Too many “no papers” types are single, young, and male - pretending to be younger than they really are, and claiming that “being sent back means certain death” when we all know that there is a fatwa on APOSTATES - which this guy never seems to claim to be, despite all the rest of his made-up bull story.
In reality, some will be lying, and some will be telling the truth. Young men may be over-represented for legitimate reasons - firstly because their elder relatives may have been killed (and “elderly” may not be that old in many of these war-torn places), and secondly because they are undertaking journeys that older people would be unable to cope with. Many elderly people in those situations are actually inclined to stay and take their chances whilst encouraging their children to leave.
Young men will also be over-represented relative to women because women are more likely to have children to care for, and the risks to women of making such a journey may be worse than staying (i.e. they face more chance of ■■■■ in a refugee camp than in a warzone). Women may also face different risks from military actors - they are more likely to be raped or enslaved, than murdered outright as men are. They may also find refuge nearer to home under the protection of other more powerful men, whereas men who are fleeing are less likely to find that.
I’m not saying that there isn’t a single carpetbagger amongst flows of refugees who are exaggerating a general threat to their lives into a specific one, but even the general threat is typically a very serious one by our standards, and most will be facing very specific threats, since relatively few people in a human population are emboldened to cross continents and the high seas only for reasons of youthful adventure or the promise of gold. Many Jewish went to the gas chambers sooner than leave the country in response to only a general hostility.
You cannot get a democratic mandate to do harm to another country - unless it’s a vote to go to war against that country.
A mandate to merely “hurt” another country - is absurd. We really need to grow a pair here, and stop fearing “consequences” of Brexit. OTHER countries are looking at Britain to be the trailblazer here - and show them all leadership in “how to get away from an overcontrolling faceless and wasting political power”
Many things that have democratic mandates are essentially a vote for war, and we can wage war not just by physical military means, but also economic means.
Carryfast:
To be fair we don’t see German steel workers calling for a reduction in German steel making capacity to allow the Brits to suffer less cuts for just one example.
No, but we don’t see them demanding an increase in German steel-making capacity (and using the state to assist that) to finish us off either, whereas China is doing precisely that.
We also don’t see Juncker calling for/imposing a total ban on Chinese steel imports or at least the type of tarrifs that the US has imposed.
No, but that’s not because Juncker is trying to favour any particular EU nation. He’ll be a subscriber to free-market capitalism, that’s why he’ll take Europe into the abyss. Ukip will do the same for Britain alone, because their answer to China is to have free trade and for British workers to work for fewer buttons than Chinese workers.
For bosses, it makes perfect sense to beat China at its own game (because they will still be bosses at the end of it all), but it doesn’t make sense for workers who’ll be reduced to working for nothing in satanic mills again.
While what you’re describing is the imposition of a trade war,for the crime of secession which stops the import of cheap east euro labour.
We could stop cheap Eastern European labour simply with wage controls - then it would be impossible to hire a cheap worker, wherever he was from.
switchlogic:
I think this should be renamed ‘the nutjobs’ thread. Most of you are completely nuts!As you were.
Luke - Help me take thith maskth ofth.
The Eastern Europeans don’t go around ■■■■■■ their own women that they actually bother to bring with them.
Not so the Islamics… You don’t ever get romantic access to their women as an infidel. So much for integration.
It’s time we separated the full-demographic-spread immigrants from the male-only Western haters.
When we see “Middle Eastern appearance young male in groups” - we think “Terrorist” or “Woman Hater” or “Attacker of Forces Personnel” - but never “My next brother in law”.
Let’s recognise what the lefties would call “Our Racism” and “Our Xeonophobia” for what it really is: Fear of Criminals. 
Rjan:
Carryfast:
To be fair we don’t see German steel workers calling for a reduction in German steel making capacity to allow the Brits to suffer less cuts for just one example.No, but we don’t see them demanding an increase in German steel-making capacity (and using the state to assist that) to finish us off either, whereas China is doing precisely that.
We also don’t see Juncker calling for/imposing a total ban on Chinese steel imports or at least the type of tarrifs that the US has imposed.
No, but that’s not because Juncker is trying to favour any particular EU nation. He’ll be a subscriber to free-market capitalism, that’s why he’ll take Europe into the abyss. Ukip will do the same for Britain alone, because their answer to China is to have free trade and for British workers to work for fewer buttons than Chinese workers.
For bosses, it makes perfect sense to beat China at its own game (because they will still be bosses at the end of it all), but it doesn’t make sense for workers who’ll be reduced to working for nothing in satanic mills again.
While what you’re describing is the imposition of a trade war,for the crime of secession which stops the import of cheap east euro labour.
We could stop cheap Eastern European labour simply with wage controls - then it would be impossible to hire a cheap worker, wherever he was from.
Firstly the Germans don’t need to call for more capacity at the expense of us because if you haven’t noticed they are already producing more than we were in 1972.While our industry doesn’t have much more left to lose.
As for the EU not wanting to stop massive imports of dumped Chinese steel. We’ve obviously got nothing to lose by leaving in that regard.While there’s no reason why we can’t have and continue the protectionist v free markets argument to greater effect within the National domain rather than the known lost cause no hoper EU one.
Bearing in mind I’m including the potential idea of a Confederal European Constitution in that.
The difference being that with a Confederal system we’d have more ability to apply democratic control on a national interest basis.In which case whatever the downsides of UKIP’s agenda,democracy and an ideological abhorrence of the idea of the nation state and looking after the national interest isn’t one of them.Unlike the Socialist one.
In which case we need either a breakaway Nationalist Labour Party or evolved UKIP configured along Nationalist lines.Regardless of whether we actually leave the EU in its current form or reform it from within.On that note there’s no longer any place for the democratically corrupt/bankrupt so called ‘Labour Party’ with people like Corbyn and Momentum having infiltrated so called Blairite ‘Labour’ because they know there’s no votes in standing where they belong within Socialist Labour.
IE for the avoidance of any deliberate confusion of the electorate we need three clearly different Labour Parties.Blairite,Nationalist and Socialist Labour.Then let the electorate decide what it wants.No surprise that the Blairites and the Socialists won’t want that or if they do no doubt they’ll at least try the usual trick of smearing Nationalist with ■■■■.
switchlogic:
I think this should be renamed ‘the nutjobs’ thread. Most of you are completely nuts!
To be fair I think there are a few bolts here as well…
But well said from the man that speaks to a giant yellow lego head! 
As Winseer says, it’s becoming harder and harder not to think criminal…
Just look at what happened at that Airforce base in the last 24 hours, we have 2 men of middle eastern appearance allegedly trying to abduct a serviceman. And what conclusions can you logically draw from that? To my mind I wouldn’t be surprised if they had plans to do a Jihadi John on our own soil to the poor bloke! 
I don’t want to be thinking that, but what choices are we left with them it comes to Islam? 
Yes it may be disproportionate considering that 99% of Muslims are peaceful people, but that 1% is doing a lot of damage to their religion and 99% don’t appear to be doing a saying a bloody thing to combat it… As for them integrating as a whole, they just aren’t interested and just went to set up their own little communities over here. You don’t see that with other cultures though do you? So while they may scream discrimination, they aren’t prepared to look in a mirror and see that a lot of the problems are of their own making! 
Evil8Beezle:
As Winseer says, it’s becoming harder and harder not to think criminal…
With the exception of the question of EU human rights legislation and Merkel’s agenda and Turkey,the Islamic immigration question is more one of non EU immigration policy.
As for Winseer’s comments.The fact is the idea of each to their own regards ethnic integration is nothing new and isn’t the problem.IE it’s a big leap from the average Asian or Jewish or even Italian preference for marriage among their own. To making any connection between that and the ‘excesses’ of the backward ideologies of Wahabbi or Iranian fundamentalist Islam.Bearing in mind that those versions seem to be considered as the pinnacle and role model for the Islamic community to follow.On that note I won’t hold my breath waiting for the Haj to be boycotted by Muslims on the grounds that Saudi is part of the problem regards Islamic extremism not the solution.
Unlike Christian Europe that has gradually given up on it’s core faith over centuries by this point - Islam is still held fast by it’s people.
When you get a situation where an Islamic Government persecutes it’s own (rather than gets bombed by the west - which is the perception) they then run away to here - but do NOT renounce that faith that PUT them here in the first place then.
So… Once here, you get this daft situation where the people resent and hate their new host citizens. THEY cannot be criticized for hand-wringing political correctness reasons, whilst their own actions seem to be systemically labelled anything other than “Islamic Actions”. Look at the way the media said of the Axe attack on a German train as being “Nothing to do with Islam” for example. Also, the most recent attack on a RAF serviceman in Norfolk… HE gave one of them a bloody nose apparently, but the leftie lunatics will want the authorities to concentrate on “RAF serviceman’s brutal assault on a member of the local community” no doubt.
We are already at war on two fronts then: Against our own people who follow this politically correct doctrine that we should somehow “love our enemies” and not retaliate. …And against those who are actually doing the attacking, only to be punished with “more bending over backwards to accommodate” by the authorities.
I switched on BBC I player this morning to see what “New programmes” were to be had…
We’ve got there: “Our refugee camp”… Better understanding of their plight… Really? I don’t want to watch a programme about “Understanding your new brudder caravan park” either thanks very much! They are outside the law, paying no taxes, drawing on our benefit culture, and we can’t even call them because we’re told it’s “racist” to do so. 
Then we’ve got “Honour Killings” being covered in an understanding way, as it it’s about to be made legal… WTF? Push the programme of the week on this subject so that it pokes out at you on the main page you select a new programme from… Changes by the hour, but they are there. The BBC puts out this crap to try and brainwash us into thinking that “Sharia=Normal” whilst “Arguing the toss about loss of our own rights” = Racist.
As an institution, I’m one of those who think that the BBC should always remain neutral, and give a balanced political argument NOT incite the public to “Hate Brexiteers” or “Hate Tory voters” or “Hate this attempt to remove Corbyn” and the like.
I’ve got nothing against Corbyn as a normal bloke. He’s just a weak figurehead for “Momentum” which is like putting Gandhi in charge of the Brownshirts!
I don’t think that Momentum would be gaining much ground with their online insidious shenanigans - IF another party leader was chosen. Labour need to get a grip! Corbyn only appeals to Momentum because he’s no player, is weak, and can be run rings around by his wider party should we ever make the mistake in this country of electing him to be in charge of so much as a blackboard outside of Camden FFS.
Of course, people like me are a total pariah to Momentum - They’ll have my head on a stick, and that of many others like me - should they ever get into any serious political power.
Even this article about “Romanian card theft” manages to dress it up with some rather non-immigrant-looking actors playing the parts in the video…
It’s not “race” or “nationality” that’s the problem… It’s “Criminals” and “Not being allowed or encouraged to recognize them”… 
I think sharia is out of her depth , this report shows that she hasn’t a clue and is talking out of her sphincter http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-may-immigration-idUKKCN1001G0
She doesn’t realise that you can’t negotiate with the eu, particularly in regards to their single market crap, which seems to be all we keep hearing about ,when if they were serious about leaving the eu they would be sorting out their own trade agreements , and have already started us leaving the eu
Winseer:
Unlike Christian Europe that has gradually given up on it’s core faith over centuries by this point - Islam is still held fast by it’s people.When you get a situation where an Islamic Government persecutes it’s own (rather than gets bombed by the west - which is the perception) they then run away to here - but do NOT renounce that faith that PUT them here in the first place then.
So… Once here, you get this daft situation where the people resent and hate their new host citizens. THEY cannot be criticized for hand-wringing political correctness reasons, whilst their own actions seem to be systemically labelled anything other than “Islamic Actions”. Look at the way the media said of the Axe attack on a German train as being “Nothing to do with Islam” for example. Also, the most recent attack on a RAF serviceman in Norfolk… HE gave one of them a bloody nose apparently, but the leftie lunatics will want the authorities to concentrate on “RAF serviceman’s brutal assault on a member of the local community” no doubt.
We are already at war on two fronts then: Against our own people who follow this politically correct doctrine that we should somehow “love our enemies” and not retaliate. …And against those who are actually doing the attacking, only to be punished with “more bending over backwards to accommodate” by the authorities.
I switched on BBC I player this morning to see what “New programmes” were to be had…
We’ve got there: “Our refugee camp”… Better understanding of their plight… Really? I don’t want to watch a programme about “Understanding your new brudder caravan park” either thanks very much! They are outside the law, paying no taxes, drawing on our benefit culture, and we can’t even call them because we’re told it’s “racist” to do so.
Then we’ve got “Honour Killings” being covered in an understanding way, as it it’s about to be made legal… WTF? Push the programme of the week on this subject so that it pokes out at you on the main page you select a new programme from… Changes by the hour, but they are there. The BBC puts out this crap to try and brainwash us into thinking that “Sharia=Normal” whilst “Arguing the toss about loss of our own rights” = Racist.
As an institution, I’m one of those who think that the BBC should always remain neutral, and give a balanced political argument NOT incite the public to “Hate Brexiteers” or “Hate Tory voters” or “Hate this attempt to remove Corbyn” and the like.
I’ve got nothing against Corbyn as a normal bloke. He’s just a weak figurehead for “Momentum” which is like putting Gandhi in charge of the Brownshirts!
I don’t think that Momentum would be gaining much ground with their online insidious shenanigans - IF another party leader was chosen. Labour need to get a grip! Corbyn only appeals to Momentum because he’s no player, is weak, and can be run rings around by his wider party should we ever make the mistake in this country of electing him to be in charge of so much as a blackboard outside of Camden FFS.Of course, people like me are a total pariah to Momentum - They’ll have my head on a stick, and that of many others like me - should they ever get into any serious political power.
Even this article about “Romanian card theft” manages to dress it up with some rather non-immigrant-looking actors playing the parts in the video…
Rise of distraction fraud sweeping cash machines in Britain | Daily Mail OnlineIt’s not “race” or “nationality” that’s the problem… It’s “Criminals” and “Not being allowed or encouraged to recognize them”…
You only have to speak with some of the store security guards in supermarkets , to find out that many of our ee migrants are well known for shoplifting , and dipping
Does anyone think that it is inevitable that we will be reapplying for membership in the future given that the younger section of the population seem to be overwhelmingly pro the EU? Or do you think that the UK is going to experience such a boom over the next 10 - 20 years that it will change their minds?
Winseer:
Unlike Christian Europe that has gradually given up on it’s core faith over centuries by this point - Islam is still held fast by it’s people.When you get a situation where an Islamic Government persecutes it’s own (rather than gets bombed by the west - which is the perception) they then run away to here - but do NOT renounce that faith that PUT them here in the first place then.
So… Once here, you get this daft situation where the people resent and hate their new host citizens. THEY cannot be criticized for hand-wringing political correctness reasons, whilst their own actions seem to be systemically labelled anything other than “Islamic Actions”. Look at the way the media said of the Axe attack on a German train as being “Nothing to do with Islam” for example. Also, the most recent attack on a RAF serviceman in Norfolk… HE gave one of them a bloody nose apparently, but the leftie lunatics will want the authorities to concentrate on “RAF serviceman’s brutal assault on a member of the local community” no doubt.
We are already at war on two fronts then: Against our own people who follow this politically correct doctrine that we should somehow “love our enemies” and not retaliate. …And against those who are actually doing the attacking, only to be punished with “more bending over backwards to accommodate” by the authorities.
I switched on BBC I player this morning to see what “New programmes” were to be had…
We’ve got there: “Our refugee camp”… Better understanding of their plight… Really?
Then we’ve got “Honour Killings” being covered in an understanding way, as it it’s about to be made legal… WTF? . The BBC puts out this crap to try and brainwash us into thinking that “Sharia=Normal” whilst “Arguing the toss about loss of our own rights” = Racist.
As an institution, I’m one of those who think that the BBC should always remain neutral, and give a balanced political argument NOT incite the public to “Hate Brexiteers” or “Hate Tory voters” or “Hate this attempt to remove Corbyn” and the like.
I’ve got nothing against Corbyn as a normal bloke. He’s just a weak figurehead for “Momentum” which is like putting Gandhi in charge of the Brownshirts!
I don’t think that Momentum would be gaining much ground with their online insidious shenanigans - IF another party leader was chosen. Labour need to get a grip! Corbyn only appeals to Momentum because he’s no player, is weak, and can be run rings around by his wider party should we ever make the mistake in this country of electing him to be in charge of so much as a blackboard outside of Camden FFS.
Don’t under estimate Corbyn he’d be as likely to implement full on soviet rule here as all the rest of his supporters.In this case having infiltrated the so called ‘Labour’ Party because they know they’ll never get a mandate standing where they belong in the Socialist Labour Party.
As for the BBC it’s increasingly desperate almost North Korean levels of propaganda suggest something has gone seriously wrong with our government.Probably because it knows that it’s already lost any control over the self interest agendas of the immigrant population,both here and that wanting to move here,and its Socialist supporters and has now just decided to join those interests.
On that note as I’ve said it’s not about Labour getting a grip it’s about Labour being part of the undemocratic takeover of government which is destroying this country.The events since the leave referendum vote being another example of that.
The only way of stopping that process being a new nationalist party that’s prepared to face down all the bs smear tactics that paint nationalist as ■■■■ and the idea that nationalist means right wing.