In or Out- the EU referendum mega thread

Carryfast:

Evil8Beezle:
Signing a petition like this in an attempt to force the government, is really no different than those signing a petition to get another referendum.

To be fair there’s a lot more justification for the Leave vote to try to force the government to implement the electorate’s democratic decision.Than the remainers trying to force the government to ignore it.

While it was always going to be a naive flawed idea to return UKIP’s prescence in the EU parliament to the Europhile one in the national parliament.IE we don’t need Brexit anyway when it’s the EU constitution,which the UK parliament supports,which was always the real problem.Which UKIP could have solved easier from within.

I don’t know what you’re drinking, but you should enjoy it, and stop posting, before you really embarrass yourself.

the nodding donkey:
There was an interesting mention on a news programme on the wireless the other day, where a politician mentioned that they needed a parliamentary vote on Brexit, because the referendum is not legally binding.

Theresa May wants the UK to remain in the EU.

Do the maths. we ain’t going anywhere.

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Carryfast:

the nodding donkey:
There was an interesting mention on a news programme on the wireless the other day, where a politician mentioned that they needed a parliamentary vote on Brexit, because the referendum is not legally binding.

Theresa May wants the UK to remain in the EU.

Do the maths. we ain’t going anywhere.

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That’s just the booze talking.

if we get the votes they will have to do something about it. 17 million people voted out. Most on here voted out. I voted out to be within 2 years not 22…52 or 102. if we all stand together the government will have to do something. I voted ukip as labour let me down. I’m from worksop until last year and yes john mann my old mp for labour voted out but he declared at the last furlong, where I live now a labour vote is a wasted vote so I gave it to ukip, by voting ukip the conservatives had to honour the vote on a reforendom and we won it… now we need to stand by our vote n get what we wanted. I want to have a points based system and everyone now living in uk should do some sort of test to be able to stay in the uk. but 1st we need to invoke article 50 and get the ball rolling…

Brexit was about democracy and sovereignty, right?
What the people of UK got: Most leave campaigners left the podium, lied about this and that, got cushy job in the new cabinet.
And the “democratic and sovereign” UK add to the list of unelected politicians a PM.
So now you have:

  • unelected head of state - The Queen.
  • unelected upper house of UK parliament - House of Lords(799 members).
  • unelected HM Civil Service(447 000 employees)
  • unelected Prime Minister - Theresa May

All of the above while UK remain to be a “mini” version of EU on itself, a union between 4 countries with central power in London, with common currency, laws, language etc.

P.S. Im not blaming, accusing or anything else, simply stating the fact as I see them, tell me if Im wrong to think UK is a big hypocrite. Some of you kept telling me before the referendum about the unelected EU, when in reality politicians there are elected by the Governments of each EU nation, which we elect. WTF elected the house of lords…

Dolph:
Brexit was about democracy and sovereignty, right?
What the people of UK got: Most leave campaigners left the podium, lied about this and that, got cushy job in the new cabinet.
And the “democratic and sovereign” UK add to the list of unelected politicians a PM.
So now you have:

  • unelected head of state - The Queen.
  • unelected upper house of UK parliament - House of Lords(799 members).
  • unelected HM Civil Service(447 000 employees)
  • unelected Prime Minister - Theresa May

All of the above while UK remain to be a “mini” version of EU on itself, a union between 4 countries with central power in London, with common currency, laws, language etc.

P.S. Im not blaming, accusing or anything else, simply stating the fact as I see them, tell me if Im wrong to think UK is a big hypocrite. Some of you kept telling me before the referendum about the unelected EU, when in reality politicians there are elected by the Governments of each EU nation, which we elect. WTF elected the house of lords…

So apart from a few more coffin dodgers in the house of lords being parasites,(which can be ousted by government,) nothing else has changed in the past 10 years then? As the last PM wasn’t elected in 2010, and again in 2015 the tory party won because most people did not bother voting, and because of the un democratic voting system we have
As for the EU we have zero control over that crap, we don’t even have a vote, (direct vote) not via our MEP’s who most people don’t even know or have heard of

And as for lies and bs the remain doom mongers still continue to peddle the bs even now via their propaganda machine BBC

Dolph:
Brexit was about democracy and sovereignty, right?
What the people of UK got: Most leave campaigners left the podium, lied about this and that, got cushy job in the new cabinet.
And the “democratic and sovereign” UK add to the list of unelected politicians a PM.
So now you have:

  • unelected head of state - The Queen.
  • unelected upper house of UK parliament - House of Lords(799 members).
  • unelected HM Civil Service(447 000 employees)
  • unelected Prime Minister - Theresa May

All of the above while UK remain to be a “mini” version of EU on itself, a union between 4 countries with central power in London, with common currency, laws, language etc.

P.S. Im not blaming, accusing or anything else, simply stating the fact as I see them, tell me if Im wrong to think UK is a big hypocrite. Some of you kept telling me before the referendum about the unelected EU, when in reality politicians there are elected by the Governments of each EU nation, which we elect. WTF elected the house of lords…

You left out the other important aspect of a parliament elected with no actual relationship between seats and votes which can over rule a referendum vote based on just votes.

Hypocritical of UKIP and Euroscepic Cons to be going for an anti Federalist agenda within a Federalist Conservative Unionist agenda absolutely.That hypocricy and above electoral flaw probably being what will sink Brexit.

None of which makes the situation right being that the European Federal government system is no less undemocratic.Bearing in mind that it won’t be the House of Lords that over turns the referendum vote and as I’ve said the issue of an undemocratic Federal European government really needs to be fixed in the European parliament by giving MEP’s National sovereignty over the Commissioners etc,which is elected under a PR system anyway.On that note who in this country elected the commissioners and Juncker and whoever negotiates policy with the Commissioners.Or for that matter when foreign MEP’s decide policy affecting all by QMV.

As for the Royals they’ve had no real government powers since the civil war although the Hanoverian dynasty was more or less close enough to being a Royal run dictatorship.

tommy t:
As for the EU we have zero control over that crap, we don’t even have a vote, (direct vote) not via our MEP’s who most people don’t even know or have heard of

To be fair it’s the MEP’s where we have the most Eurosceptic representation elected by PR system.The question then being why didn’t Farage just go for a Confederal European Constitution that gave the National MEP groups the sovereignty he was calling for over the Commissioners with national right of opt out substitution and VETO as part of that.Returning powers to the Europhile federalist national parliament here made absolutely no sense at all in that regard.

…because we don’t get and never had a veto over anything of any real importance… Like “Freedom of Movement” which needs to be a piece that we cannot be budged upon.

We’ll be needing to break EU laws to get Brexit done.

(1) Pull up the drawbridge by implementing a points-based immigration policy. Anyone here “from” Europe but originally from the middle east - gets deported straight back there. “No papers”? - Send them to wherever their accent says they are really from. Danger of persecution? - There wasn’t an offer to commit apostasy upon arrival, so we take any such claims of “Persecution” with a pinch of salt.

(2) The EU tells us that our implementation is against the law. We say it isn’t because we’ve already got a democratic mandate for Brexit which trumps ALL EU laws on the spot.

(3) The EU initiates trade sanctions against us, possibly withholding payment for goods already received from us (theft) or withholding rebate payments that we’ve already handed over the contributions for (theft) and embargoing future UK goods (act of war)

(4) By this point, we freeze the assets of EU banks in both the UK and all UK controlled offshore locations. The EU is invited to enter into negotiations as to “getting that money back”.
Either we give them their money, minus what they’ve taken from us and minus our British handlers fees OR they do nothing, and we seize the entire cash pile.

(5) We’ve ditched the other EU laws like “Strasbourg Human Rights Charter” - so we need not pay any heed to other threats the EU might have, including from their friends on the other side of the ponds, along with their big-boy banks…

Leaving the EU might eventually involve us “leaving” the US as well then. :bulb:

I was appalled to find out only this week that apparently the USA control our trident system to such an extent - that if we ever turned against America - they can easily destroy all four of our trident submarines without further ado - when they are not even supposed to be in the loop as to the exact location of all four at any one time! Who’s nuclear deterrent is it then? - “Not ours” it seems.

Let’s ditch Trident, and replace it with a new system that doesn’t involve America. We’d then be free to leave NATO as well if we wished in the future. :bulb:

Carryfast:

tommy t:
As for the EU we have zero control over that crap, we don’t even have a vote, (direct vote) not via our MEP’s who most people don’t even know or have heard of

To be fair it’s the MEP’s where we have the most Eurosceptic representation elected by PR system.The question then being why didn’t Farage just go for a Confederal European Constitution that gave the National MEP groups the sovereignty he was calling for over the Commissioners with national right of opt out substitution and VETO as part of that.Returning powers to the Europhile federalist national parliament here made absolutely no sense at all in that regard.

Only he knows the answer to that maybe ukip didn’t want to be associated with Le pen ect ?

Winseer:
…because we don’t get and never had a veto over anything of any real importance… Like “Freedom of Movement” which needs to be a piece that we cannot be budged upon.

We’ll be needing to break EU laws to get Brexit done.

(1) Pull up the drawbridge by implementing a points-based immigration policy. Anyone here “from” Europe but originally from the middle east - gets deported straight back there. “No papers”? - Send them to wherever their accent says they are really from. Danger of persecution? - There wasn’t an offer to commit apostasy upon arrival, so we take any such claims of “Persecution” with a pinch of salt.

No need to repatriate them just deport them back to France or the country they were in before the uk, and we need to actually have an effective border force before we can control are borders again, all thanks to our new PM sharia may for running it into the ground

Winseer:
(2) The EU tells us that our implementation is against the law. We say it isn’t because we’ve already got a democratic mandate for Brexit which trumps ALL EU laws on the spot.

We should implement brexit without further delay stop paying into the corrupt EU let them fund merkels cluster f grow a pair and tell the EU to swivel

Winseer:
(3) The EU initiates trade sanctions against us, possibly withholding payment for goods already received from us (theft) or withholding rebate payments that we’ve already handed over the contributions for (theft) and embargoing future UK goods (act of war)

they export more to us than we do to them, and an embargo would hurt them more

Winseer:
(4) By this point, we freeze the assets of EU banks in both the UK and all UK controlled offshore locations. The EU is invited to enter into negotiations as to “getting that money back”.
Either we give them their money, minus what they’ve taken from us and minus our British handlers fees OR they do nothing, and we seize the entire cash pile.

(5) We’ve ditched the other EU laws like “Strasbourg Human Rights Charter” - so we need not pay any heed to other threats the EU might have, including from their friends on the other side of the ponds, along with their big-boy banks…

Leaving the EU might eventually involve us “leaving” the US as well then. :bulb:

I was appalled to find out only this week that apparently the USA control our trident system to such an extent - that if we ever turned against America - they can easily destroy all four of our trident submarines without further ado - when they are not even supposed to be in the loop as to the exact location of all four at any one time! Who’s nuclear deterrent is it then? - “Not ours” it seems.

Let’s ditch Trident, and replace it with a new system that doesn’t involve America. We’d then be free to leave NATO as well if we wished in the future. :bulb:

If it isn’t ours why the f are we paying for it?

Winseer:
(1) Pull up the drawbridge by implementing a points-based immigration policy. Anyone here “from” Europe but originally from the middle east - gets deported straight back there. “No papers”? - Send them to wherever their accent says they are really from. Danger of persecution? - There wasn’t an offer to commit apostasy upon arrival, so we take any such claims of “Persecution” with a pinch of salt.

What makes you think the points-based system will involve any fewer immigrants coming in? We already fully control outside-EU immigration, and the Tories have done nothing whatsoever to bring the figure down. They will just say that anyone offering to work in any occupation currently paying more than NMW, or in which bosses claim there is a shortage, has enough points.

As for deporting people, what are you going to do when you’ve got a family that has been here for 10 years, with kids who were say 3 years old when they got here, and are now 13 and have been given British schooling?

And do you really have such an ear for accents? What if they modify their accidents, or they speak English with a British accent? What do you do when families contain one or more British members?

These proposals are absurd - unless the exceptions are cast so wide as to render the policy completely impotent, then it amounts to the state declaring internal civil war. A lot of right-wingers don’t seem to appreciate that there are lot of Brits who don’t even remotely support their agenda (and cannot be returned to anywhere else either).

Moreover, they don’t recognise that any attempt to use force or violence to dislodge significant numbers of settled people will be met with the same force in return (and people who are being threatened with catastrophic disruption of their lives will scatter and hide throughout the remaining population, they will shoot policemen, they will charge guns if backed into a corner, or take hostages from amongst any part of the population we aren’t willing to lose, and they will destroy essential infrastructure and capital in the manner of riot - torch shops, factories, warehouses, schools, telephone exchanges, phone masts, vehicles, start raging fires in tunnels, under bridges, destroy airports, railway lines, derail trains, and so on and so forth).

And while all this is going on and all the forces of the state are ■■■■■■■ with trying to deport ‘foreigners’, the gangsters and the native lumpenproletariat will see their chance and will engage in riots and crime sprees, settled workers ■■■■ on at work will take their chance to demand higher wages or else go on strike and join in the riots, the rapists, the sadists, and the child molesters will come out in force to abduct people off the streets, there will in essence be a total loss of internal security even for British men, women, and children who are not faced with deportation.

And even without the economic destruction, loss of a significant number of workers from the economy (and the likely general strike or disappearance of those in the class that are imminently threatened with deportation) will cause a rampant loss of economic function - idle factories produce no more than torched factories.

People who propose these things either never quite seem to believe that these consequences will occur, or else they do and claim that it’s worth it, in which case it is obvious that they are headcases. I feel like grabbing people’s heads and shaking them whilst shouting “you’re asking for civil war you numbskulls!”. :laughing:

(2) The EU tells us that our implementation is against the law. We say it isn’t because we’ve already got a democratic mandate for Brexit which trumps ALL EU laws on the spot.

But other EU nations also have democratic mandates, and really the nub of the issue is not that some Brexit policies are “against the law” since the law can be changed, but that we are seeking to change the law without the consent of the other parties involved.

If we seek unilaterally to change the tariffs and terms of trade with the rest of the world, for example, then other EU nations are also likely to tear up their side of the treaties and implement the same change, with the effect simply that more European domestic industries close down!

the nodding donkey:
There was an interesting mention on a news programme on the wireless the other day, where a politician mentioned that they needed a parliamentary vote on Brexit, because the referendum is not legally binding…

Funny how all the really vocal leave politicians have either [zb] off, or been silenced with nice cushy jobs.

Theresa May wants the UK to remain in the EU.

Do the maths. Bar a violent revolution, we ain’t going anywhere.

if there is no end to what is going on and the vote for out does get ignored then i will predict there will be another vote with a party standing for out and kick them out no matter what as its calling card
they will be able to show how the political correct class let us down and did nothing after a vote to leave

so i honestly dont believe the government will ignore the message that was sent out loud and clear, many of the eu nationals who have come here understand what the vote means, they understand the people of this country are fed up with the high numbers etc. they would do the same themselves should there country be invaded by such high numbers of english and who could blame them ? or blame anyone who wants to protect there own lands and make sure there is a future for there own kids ?

anyway the point is just look how no one really believed we would vote to leave yet we voted to leave, no one believed ukip would make any sort of impact as it was just a bunch of racists etc ? well they certainly did well
no one gave Donald trump a look in, predicting he would be defeated all along the route for his campaign yet there he is now being a real contender

has the world gone mad ?
no people are fed up to the back teeth of political correct nonsense, they want real hardline changes, we did our bit by standing up and voting out of the eu now the usa will do there bit and vote trump in
its been a hell of the year for the people this year
anyone in politics who thnks they can ignore the feeling around the country and keep trying to keep the eu nationals flooding the lands is dreaming, even many of the eu nationals now can feel there not welcome by many people over here since the vote, who knows maybe they will think about the damage there doing to the natives of this country and might decide to be fair and go home ? so that our own natives can get a better chance ? so there would be no need to close the doors as they would do the decent thing, but sadly there greed is going to keep them here as they dont give a monkeys about the natives here
hence the natives have spoken out

desypete:

the nodding donkey:
There was an interesting mention on a news programme on the wireless the other day, where a politician mentioned that they needed a parliamentary vote on Brexit, because the referendum is not legally binding…

Funny how all the really vocal leave politicians have either [zb] off, or been silenced with nice cushy jobs.

Theresa May wants the UK to remain in the EU.

Do the maths. Bar a violent revolution, we ain’t going anywhere.

if there is no end to what is going on and the vote for out does get ignored then i will predict there will be another vote with a party standing for out and kick them out no matter what as its calling card
they will be able to show how the political correct class let us down and did nothing after a vote to leave

so i honestly dont believe the government will ignore the message that was sent out loud and clear, many of the eu nationals who have come here understand what the vote means, they understand the people of this country are fed up with the high numbers etc. they would do the same themselves should there country be invaded by such high numbers of english and who could blame them ? or blame anyone who wants to protect there own lands and make sure there is a future for there own kids ?

anyway the point is just look how no one really believed we would vote to leave yet we voted to leave, no one believed ukip would make any sort of impact as it was just a bunch of racists etc ? well they certainly did well
no one gave Donald trump a look in, predicting he would be defeated all along the route for his campaign yet there he is now being a real contender

has the world gone mad ?
no people are fed up to the back teeth of political correct nonsense, they want real hardline changes, we did our bit by standing up and voting out of the eu now the usa will do there bit and vote trump in
its been a hell of the year for the people this year
anyone in politics who thnks they can ignore the feeling around the country and keep trying to keep the eu nationals flooding the lands is dreaming, even many of the eu nationals now can feel there not welcome by many people over here since the vote, who knows maybe they will think about the damage there doing to the natives of this country and might decide to be fair and go home ? so that our own natives can get a better chance ? so there would be no need to close the doors as they would do the decent thing, but sadly there greed is going to keep them here as they dont give a monkeys about the natives here
hence the natives have spoken out

And don’t forget merkel’s turks and whatever other 3rd world countries they give eu visas to

tommy t:

Carryfast:
To be fair it’s the MEP’s where we have the most Eurosceptic representation elected by PR system.The question then being why didn’t Farage just go for a Confederal European Constitution that gave the National MEP groups the sovereignty he was calling for over the Commissioners with national right of opt out substitution and VETO as part of that.Returning powers to the Europhile federalist national parliament here made absolutely no sense at all in that regard.

Only he knows the answer to that maybe ukip didn’t want to be associated with Le pen ect ?

Which leaves the question exactly what is it that Le Pen has said that he didn’t want to be ‘associated’ with.When her agenda is just that of the National Sovereignty and protectionist anti immigration anti race to the bottom free markets one we need.

Which is probably why he found himself being closer to Cameron and thereby lumbering us with Cameron’s ‘referendum’ scam.

desypete:
if there is no end to what is going on and the vote for out does get ignored then i will predict there will be another vote with a party standing for out and kick them out no matter what as its calling card
they will be able to show how the political correct class let us down and did nothing after a vote to leave

so i honestly dont believe the government will ignore the message that was sent out loud and clear, many of the eu nationals who have come here understand what the vote means, they understand the people of this country are fed up with the high numbers etc. they would do the same themselves should there country be invaded by such high numbers of english and who could blame them ? or blame anyone who wants to protect there own lands and make sure there is a future for there own kids ?

anyway the point is just look how no one really believed we would vote to leave yet we voted to leave, no one believed ukip would make any sort of impact as it was just a bunch of racists etc ? well they certainly did well
no one gave Donald trump a look in, predicting he would be defeated all along the route for his campaign yet there he is now being a real contender

has the world gone mad ?
no people are fed up to the back teeth of political correct nonsense, they want real hardline changes, we did our bit by standing up and voting out of the eu now the usa will do there bit and vote trump in
its been a hell of the year for the people this year
anyone in politics who thnks they can ignore the feeling around the country and keep trying to keep the eu nationals flooding the lands is dreaming, even many of the eu nationals now can feel there not welcome by many people over here since the vote, who knows maybe they will think about the damage there doing to the natives of this country and might decide to be fair and go home ? so that our own natives can get a better chance ? so there would be no need to close the doors as they would do the decent thing, but sadly there greed is going to keep them here as they dont give a monkeys about the natives here
hence the natives have spoken out

Blimey desy you’ve naively missed the small inconvenient fact that you’re not going to get the government we’d need to do that without a change in the electoral system to PR first.Which ain’t going to happen any time soon.While we’ve already got the types of Party’s we need to ally ourselves with for that in Europe.

Instead of which Farage chose to align himself with Cameron’s agenda.That being an alliance of the cheap labour agenda of the Cons together with the demographic engineering one of the socialists.All as usual based on the indoctrination of the public that Nationalist means ■■■■.

Rjan:
But other EU nations also have democratic mandates,

Exactly ‘what’ ‘law’ and what law does the Brexit manifesto need the permission of other EU states to withdraw from as a non EU member state.

Rjan:

Winseer:
(1) Pull up the drawbridge by implementing a points-based immigration policy. Anyone here “from” Europe but originally from the middle east - gets deported straight back there. “No papers”? - Send them to wherever their accent says they are really from. Danger of persecution? - There wasn’t an offer to commit apostasy upon arrival, so we take any such claims of “Persecution” with a pinch of salt.

What makes you think the points-based system will involve any fewer immigrants coming in? We already fully control outside-EU immigration, and the Tories have done nothing whatsoever to bring the figure down. They will just say that anyone offering to work in any occupation currently paying more than NMW, or in which bosses claim there is a shortage, has enough points.

As for deporting people, what are you going to do when you’ve got a family that has been here for 10 years, with kids who were say 3 years old when they got here, and are now 13 and have been given British schooling?

And do you really have such an ear for accents? What if they modify their accidents, or they speak English with a British accent? What do you do when families contain one or more British members?

These proposals are absurd - unless the exceptions are cast so wide as to render the policy completely impotent, then it amounts to the state declaring internal civil war. A lot of right-wingers don’t seem to appreciate that there are lot of Brits who don’t even remotely support their agenda (and cannot be returned to anywhere else either).

Moreover, they don’t recognise that any attempt to use force or violence to dislodge significant numbers of settled people will be met with the same force in return (and people who are being threatened with catastrophic disruption of their lives will scatter and hide throughout the remaining population, they will shoot policemen, they will charge guns if backed into a corner, or take hostages from amongst any part of the population we aren’t willing to lose, and they will destroy essential infrastructure and capital in the manner of riot - torch shops, factories, warehouses, schools, telephone exchanges, phone masts, vehicles, start raging fires in tunnels, under bridges, destroy airports, railway lines, derail trains, and so on and so forth).

And while all this is going on and all the forces of the state are ■■■■■■■ with trying to deport ‘foreigners’, the gangsters and the native lumpenproletariat will see their chance and will engage in riots and crime sprees, settled workers [zb] on at work will take their chance to demand higher wages or else go on strike and join in the riots, the rapists, the sadists, and the child molesters will come out in force to abduct people off the streets, there will in essence be a total loss of internal security even for British men, women, and children who are not faced with deportation.

And even without the economic destruction, loss of a significant number of workers from the economy (and the likely general strike or disappearance of those in the class that are imminently threatened with deportation) will cause a rampant loss of economic function - idle factories produce no more than torched factories.

People who propose these things either never quite seem to believe that these consequences will occur, or else they do and claim that it’s worth it, in which case it is obvious that they are headcases. I feel like grabbing people’s heads and shaking them whilst shouting “you’re asking for civil war you numbskulls!”. :laughing:

(2) The EU tells us that our implementation is against the law. We say it isn’t because we’ve already got a democratic mandate for Brexit which trumps ALL EU laws on the spot.

But other EU nations also have democratic mandates, and really the nub of the issue is not that some Brexit policies are “against the law” since the law can be changed, but that we are seeking to change the law without the consent of the other parties involved.

If we seek unilaterally to change the tariffs and terms of trade with the rest of the world, for example, then other EU nations are also likely to tear up their side of the treaties and implement the same change, with the effect simply that more European domestic industries close down!

My arguments are things for our elected POLITICIANS to do, - and of course those other immigrants that have been here a while working for government departmets that have integrated enough to be on “our” side, rather than the next uncle pretending to be from Syria or whatever. There are plenty of people working as interpreters of say, Syrian extraction - that’ll soon tell you that “Hey that guy ain’t no Muslim brother - he don’t even sound like he’s from Syria!”
Empthasis on “Guy” there. Too many “no papers” types are single, young, and male - pretending to be younger than they really are, and claiming that “being sent back means certain death” when we all know that there is a fatwa on APOSTATES - which this guy never seems to claim to be, despite all the rest of his made-up bull story.

You cannot get a democratic mandate to do harm to another country - unless it’s a vote to go to war against that country.
A mandate to merely “hurt” another country - is absurd. We really need to grow a pair here, and stop fearing “consequences” of Brexit. OTHER countries are looking at Britain to be the trailblazer here - and show them all leadership in “how to get away from an overcontrolling faceless and wasting political power” :bulb:

Winseer:
We really need to grow a pair here, and stop fearing “consequences” of Brexit. OTHER countries are looking at Britain to be the trailblazer here - and show them all leadership in “how to get away from an overcontrolling faceless and wasting political power” :bulb:

Problem is ,sharia isn’t for giving us brexit, she therefore needs removing from office, she won’t go willingly so what do we do? the longer we delay the more it’s costing us financially and the more eu migrants are going to land here, this as well as those illegal muslim invaders from places like calais with possible Islam extremists even isis foot soldiers the truth is with no ID we do not know who they are , but the EU and it bs regulations prevents us from deporting them , this left wing extremist bonanza has to end and soon, either our government do it or the people will, then they will see real racism and how ugly it can get